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Water Wall (Vaporeon) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Hydration EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Rest - Acid Armor - Boil Over/Surf - Baton Pass/Toxic Obviously meant for Rain. Vaporeon already has a ridiculous amount of health, but the given EVs will bring up its defenses to levels to match. Special defense is maxed allowing you to tank hits, even most Super Effective ones, like a boss, while Acid Armor will give you plenty of defense to go along with your free recovery of 400+ HP. With Acid Armor, you can often times switch into most phsyical sweepers and set up/rest before they can KO you. Enemy physical set up is next to harmless (crits excepted) if you come in before they power up (and even then you're usually safe if it's just a single boost. The only Dragon Dancer that might give this trouble is Haxorus), and if that wasn't enough, throw on the potential burn from Boil Over to half their attack- They won't be doing much of anything, even if they do get to +6. Baton Pass is preferred over Toxic if you're using Boil Over due to status redundancy. Baton Passing a +6, or even +2 boost to one of your bulkier teammates makes them into something to be feared (not to mention a probably painless switch given Vaporeon's lackluster speed)

Ikaru stole my idea so I had to 1-up him. [img]http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/3974/birthdayrodaku.png[/img]

I'm sorry to hear that, but I do understand. Unfortunately, there's not a -whole- lot I can do about... people on the other half of the world. Sometime in the future mayhaps. Hopefully you'll at least stick around the forums?

Reregistry for a mystery person. [quote][b]Politoed[/b]: Not Shiny Boil Over Protect Toxic Perish Song [b]Erfuun[/b]: Not Shiny Leech Seed Substitute Encore Hurricane [b]Sharpedo[/b]: Not Shiny Aqua Jet Earthquake Ice Fang Crunch [b]Vaporeon[/b]: Not Shiny Acid Armor Rest Boil Over Baton Pass [b]Kingdra[/b]: Not Shiny Substitute Dragon Dance Waterfall Outrage [b]Espeon[/b]: Not Shiny Wish Calm Mind Psychic Hidden Power (Fighting) [b]Trainer Card Colors[/b]- Leave it to me.[/quote]

...Might wanna check that link. If I may ask, why was he banned? I'm only curious because he was the one who brought the idea of affiliating with Mysidia in the first place.

Happy birthday! And let's also forget our loyal member coefemedgem, who is apparently turning 33 today! Happy birthday to the both of you.

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This wholeGeo thing... It's funny because it's not funny. And never has been.

[quote name='N8theGr8' post='10654' date='Feb 7 2011, 01:42 PM']To be honest, I'm really finding it too coincidental that AmethystStorm, the master of rain, only starts to complain about Smogon once his rain is in jeopardy[/quote] I could pretty easily swap out one member of my team even if this did go through. I'm not one of the swift-swim spammers. But that's not the point. In truth, you're right- it's not coincidence. I'm just now really looking into all of this because Geo drew the subject to my attention [i]because[/i] of the Swift Swim thing, and his knowing my affection for rain. I'd never really looked into the discussion on Smogon before [s]and thank god[/s] because it was not called to my attention. But believe what you will. However, this is not what this topic is about. Carry on.

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There's one line I really like from Bullet's massive text wall up there: [quote name='Bullet' post='10636' date='Feb 6 2011, 09:28 PM']If other team strategies can flourish with the presence of this "overpowered" strategy, it must not be too overpowered.[/quote] And as far as I know, there's nothing like that around. Here's the bottom line for me, I guess: This is Pokemon. This is motherfucking Pokemon. Six year olds play this. It's one thing to go into depth on the logistics of winning battles what with damage calculations because those have firm roots in pure data. But when we get to arguing the philosophical logistics and come across questions that go in the same circles as the big five of [i]legitimate[/i] philosophical debate, and pretty soon we start asking ourselves what is the meaning of playing Pokemon competitively- then I think we have a problem. Or Smogon does anyway. Bullet's right, in splitting away and creating our own set of rules and such we are no different than Smogon in that we have our own metagame. How we will differ is in not going overboard with this and treating it like WW3 is going to occur if everything isn't perfectly calculated. It's a game. We'll take out what absolutely needs to be taken out for it to be fun, like games are supposed to be. And we'll shoot anyone who tries to derive that statement in ways contrary to its intention.

Angel wings? Hell yes.

Reviewing the pages around the mess hall of argument known as Smogon, I see a recurring notion of "creating an ideal metagame." I'm curious about just what this means. I'm just going to go based on their recent actions- and great, ban inconsistent for it's evasion. The luckhax factor is whatever, and it kinda creates a whatever sort of battle. When we get into the combination of Drizzle and Swift Swim, I have a problem with this. And before any of you go off saying it's just because I'm a rainfag, which, guilty as charged- that's not the reason. In all honestly, I'd have just as much of a problem as if they decided to ban Sandstream with Sand Rush or Clorophyll and Drought. I really don't want this to be a debate about Drizzle/Swift Swim. Rather, my issue is with the way in which they're banning these things, and why. The why is this... concept of an Ideal Metagame that I see people are saying popped up at the end of gen 4. I've never really cared much for Smogon, to be honest- so I wasn't around when this idea was conceived. Therefore, I may have some misconceptions about it; correct me if so. From what I observe from the current discussion though, it seems Swift Swim teams (not just rain teams, but specifically swift swim) are a higher threat because they have decent stats combined with a STAB power-boost combined with great multitude along with their variety that allows for them to have such good synergy. In short, it's basically everything you could want in a team. However, counters exist. In a typical setting, countering this is accounts for the increase in usage of those counters, which warrant counter-counters, and thus the metagame itself is created. Counters exist, and their creative usage and discovery is what will take the growth of the metagame itself to its next phase. A hypothetical extension of this growth: The counters become commonplace enough that such a team is practically no longer viable. It falls out of use. Suddenly people begin to notice that you don't see Swift Swim teams so much anymore, and the counters begin to fall out of use. Later on down the road, some guy says, "You know, these counters aren't used so much anymore. I think a swift swim team might do pretty good." They use one. People see its working and try to use theirs more too, but other people already know how to counter it from before- and while the strategy may regain some of its former popularity, it will not see the same usage as it did before. That is what a metagame [b]is[/b]. In a sense, it's just Rock-Paper-Scissors, trying to find what works best at a given time in the trends of the competitive environment. Smogon here diverges from this. Smogon has the banning-doors open- It's something okay to do now- because the new generation has started, and we've suddenly developed a practice of throwing random Pokemon up to OU at the end of Gen 4. They are continuing this practice as a precedent enabled by the fact that it is a new generation with a metagame obviously lacking in refinement. But as I see it, this is a permanent and unnecessary solution to a temporary problem- and many more problems like this will continue to arise so long as Smogon feels that it is perfectly okay to continue the trend of looking at bans as a solution to everything. If Swift Swim goes, then they'll take a shot at whatever the next trend is- Sandstream + Sand Throw, I'd guess. And after that, who knows, maybe Clorophyll. And they can keep knocking off strategies calling them broken, just going to the next trend to the next for as long as they decide to consider the metagame in an unfinished state. There are really two possibilities. Either they figure this out and stop seeing banning everything as the solution soon, or they don't, and this practice continues until they reach their ideal metagame. In the former case, it is a matter of time, and how much time passes between when they consider the metagame passable is the sole thing that will dictate what and how many pokemon, abilities, etc become banned. In the latter case, we have to look forward to the hypothetical Ideal Metagame. The way I see this, if the next strongest and next strongest strategies to the end, or at least to the point where the difference is unnoticeable. The approximation of that hypothetical point is a highly controlled environment wherein restrictions are placed so heavily that everything is equal- with no more advantage over the rest of the metagame than any other pokemon or strategy (because then it would just be banned if it was better, you see?). This means in choosing your team it is again a Rock-Paper-Scissors effect, but among the stagnant teleological idealism instead of in trends over time. Personally speaking, I would rather not grind everything out the game just to be locked into the same old same old until the next release from GameFreak- no matter how balanced or idealistic it may be. Now I understand that this is an extreme scenario. But this is the path that they are beginning to walk down. I will not have Reborn walk that path with them. We have already created our own tiers long before they have even begun to, and now we are organizing our own strategies and sets based of of those. To my knowledge, also, nobody has declared Smogon the official end-all authority nor do they have the right to believe themselves that. Therefore, I'm saying this now- Reborn will no longer be following their logistics. If anyone has a problem with that, let's hear about it. [/random thoughts]

Belitoed Politoed (M) @ Salac Berry Trait: Drizzle EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Substitute - Waterfall - Belly Drum - Earthquake This is perhaps one of if not the only viable ways to use Politoed as an all-out sweeper. A Belly Drum Set, however, will turn it into a sucide lead- which if you won't need it again is great. But that means you should not expect this to win any weather-wars. For this reason it tends to work well against unsuspecting and enemy rain teams, but other weather teams will walk all over you if it goes down. Sub on the first turn, hope they didn't attack- most enemy Politoed like to try a toxic, hypnosis (which, with your maxed speed, your sub should basically always block) or will run away. In any of those cases, you're golden. Drum on the second turn- your Salac will activate bringing you to 393 speed. Unfortunately, this means a max-speed Jolteon can still have its way with you (Hidden Power type depending!) but the risk is usually worth it. Earthquake and Waterfall makes an excellent attacking combo resisted only by grass types and a few dragons, in which case your rain boosted +6 waterfall does have a chance of flinch for you to continue on your merry way even if it doesn't OHKO.

Stallitoed Politoed (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Drizzle EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SDef Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Boil Over - Perish Song - Protect - Toxic/Hypnosis/Encore Despite the name, this set is not meant to stall anything out by itself, but instead take hits like a boss as it switches in and out in a weather war. Boil Over is preferred, given the chance of burning, weakening a physical attacker's advantage over Politoed's lower defense. Perish Song is an evil way to end an opponent's final Pokemon if it happens to be a staller that's giving you trouble- or to force out a set up. The fourth move is up to preference. Hypnosis' mild accuracy should be off-putting though, while a well-predicted Encore can get a jump on early set up (Cloyster, anyone?) or set-up leads. However, Toxic is preferred as rotect exists to afford you an extra turn of leftovers while still letting the poison (or burn or perish song) take its toll- it also will let you completely evade a Ninetales' Solar Beam the turn after you switch into it. Where's your sunlight now?

Not trying to give you a hard time about it, just bringing it to your attention. I do appreciate you taking the time and energy to write up something for everyone.

Nu-uh. Just Alternate Formes.

...You might wanna take a second look at your EVs on this.

I say there's nothing obscene about attention-whorism in the least. And why should there be? I'm addicted to change, and stagnancy is the enemy of change. Therefore I will eliminate it. And there really is no other way to clear stagnant water but to increase the river's flow. All there is to it, really. I'm just doing what I must.

'Cuz I'm a whore. Duhhh.

Sounds like a plan. Let's see. Gardevoir and Lopunny will be the new mascots.

Such gentlemanly conduct from yourself; I'm surprised. In any case, glad you like the new themes. And I think it's going well. We're at the footstep of the hall of fame, and I'm getting ready to market and expand the site across the internet like hell. Every road is not without it rocks I suppose; the others can tell you about that. And yes, the site is considered separate from the server, so long as you behave you're welcome on here.

Thanks so much, Ikaru and Bullet. So there are really three main jobs involved with cards -Nightly updates -Rankshifts -Creating new ones. The third is the big one, and really the only one that needs to be taught. N8 is usually awesome and getting rankshifts done super fast though, so between the other two who wants to take what? Not to say that all of you can't help out with the creation? N8, I will leave the teaching to you, if you've the time, especially given you have more experience with the new templates than I do at this point.

If you're a regular who's just come to the normal URL hoping to peruse the latest sets being posted in The Pokedex Project then you're probably wondering what the hell you're looking at. However, chances are you'll have figured it out by the end of this sentence anyway. In case you haven't, welcome to the mainsite, future home of many amazing and sparkly things. No promises on the sparkly part. So everyone's going to want to change their bookmarks for the forums- sorry about that inconvenience, but bear with us while we get through this switch. You'll notice that the mainsite itself isn't actually host to any real content at this time- only serving as a front end for the forums and all. The good news of that is that it is a blank slate. So if you have any ideas of things you want to be on the mainsite, let's hear it. Additionally, I would be interested if anyone has ideas for articles they would like to publish on the front, to see those. Things currently planned for the site: - Usage Stats - League Log Viewer - Transitioning League Info to Site - Pokedex Project - +Infinitas - Embedded Silver LP - Embedded Reborn League Videos And I am very much open to other suggestions. As a final matter of business, we find ourselves again understaffed regarding the league. Logs... Are apparently being taken care of by three different people, each of who tells me that the others is wrong, yet all of whom's work looks fine to me, so that seems to be getting done well enough (O_o;;, HOWEVER. The more pressing issue is Cards, which we are severely behind on. N8 has been working hard, but the increased traffic to the league is simply too much of a task for a single person to handle. So, I am looking for one or two other people who would be interested in volunteering their time to create and/or update cards for the league. The cards are made using GraphicsGale, uploaded using FileZilla FTP (another program can work if you like) and I will be teaching you how via either Skype or TeamViewer. All of those programs are free, mind, so there shouldn't be anyone who cannot do it. Is there anyone who is interested?