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You farm with basic attacks. Meanwhile, if you actually end up getting fed on kills thanks to your constant harass, bullying the enemy out of lane which will give you the ability to freely roam and receive kills there with free dragons and turrets, you will have a much better reward than when you just passively farm with Q. Veigar absolutely destroys Fizz, Akali and Leblanc pre 6. They're all melee and will never be able to outtrade you, except leblanc who is ranged but has no trading potential at level 1. You establish lane dominance at level 1 against those champions with a mixture of Qs AND basic attacks (which is why you take mixed pen marks). The only danger against those is zed's ability to blink over to you and just kill you melee, in which case he has to be level 2 where you have your stun. Now thanks to that delay there is absolutely no way for veigar to react to things like a zed blinking over to you. Or a talon, or akali, or fizz. Then by the time level 6 hits, they will start shitting on you, and 20-30 more AP from farming will NOT help you here, which is why you need to solely use your Q on them specifically. That's literally the only chance you have. Talon can be established lane dominance against at level 1 as well if he didn't take this blink first. If you fail to bring him down to low health levels while wasting his potions, then you will lose lane. Again, a matter of not using your Q to farm but to harass and put pressure on your lane opponent. You outtrade leblanc at level 1, but the moment she hits level 2, there is no other way to deal with her besides playing it safe and getting to level 6 while hoping for a gank from your jungler, and even then (at level 6) you will still have a tough time dealing with her since she simply outdamages you for the majority of the game and has high enough base damage to build low AP Magic pen items. Galio is a true anti-mage. No shit you can't win against him. That's just a massive counterpick, but he has really low kill pressure, so you can easily just max W and focus on waveclear rather than farming or harass. You will absolutely shit on Garen and Gnar in top lane. I've played veigar top plenty of times. I think you really underestimate the advantage a ranged champion has over a melee champion. Riven is an even matchup, and as long as you don't let her get in range of you, the lane is pretty easy as well. His W + E cost 150 mana and Veigar's passive will not help you survive that. You also don't max these skills first except in very specific circumstances, so they aren't going to do any damage either to call it a "trade". That's just you tickling them while they chunk you for half of your health because you aren't using your Q to trade. Your passive nasus-esque farming simply does not work on Veigar in midlane, because this lane is at the very center of your map, and your objectives control is only second to the jungler's. it's your fucking job to not sit on your ass playing farmville and instead provide global presence and actually pressure your lane. Again, play Veigar top lane if you want to be a null factor on your team until 30 minutes have passed.

>tfw I'm now in high rank village quests and killed Shagaru, Daimyo, Emerald Congalala and the multi Nerscylla hunt quest >I've still yet to get a new armor set I'm starting to get instakilled by shit like Daimyo's frontal claw swipe but it makes it so much more fun to play with this risk. Also I've only hunted with the Insect Glaive'. I'm not sure if this thing is broken, if mounting is broken, or if the combination of the insect's glaive ability to mount and the derring armor's mounting expert armor skill is broken. Or if I'm broken. I'm going to keep playing like this until I get triple carted and see how far I can go.

Yeah that's what I mean with low elo veigars. I hope you're aware that with these changes he's just going to become more troublesome in low elos, and useless in higher elos. There's 2 different Veigars. The ones who only Q farm during laning phase, thus providing no lane pressure, no trading potential and no harassing on their own part. If you can consider yourself "good" then you will very easily bully veigar out of lane to the point where he's on a support's payroll and a jungler's XP gain. Then there's the Veigars who do not Q farm (except siege minions), and instead use their Q to harass and trade, since this is a very important gimick of midlane. A farm Veigar has no place in midlane. They should be going top if they want that to be a valid tactic in higher elos. Now with these Q changes he's going to be able to farm two minions with a single Q. Counterplay isn't something as monotone as "something you can do on the spot". It goes all the way back to how you handled him in lane. You don't let a Nasus freefarm either, do you? Then don't let a Veigar do it. It's that simple. If you have a bad laning phase as veigar, there is very, very little you can do after the early game and will have to reach a 50 minute game in order to become relevant again. Then don't build high AP. Build a bunch of magic penetration instead. Sorcs, Athenes, Haunting Guise and Abyssal are all great items to build early against Veigar to make his ult as weak as possible, or even merc threads. Congrats, now he needs at least a level 4 stun in order to stun you long enough for a W to land, at which point he's going to be at least level 12 if he maxes his stun second, and level 17 if he's maxing it third. Now that gives you PLENTY of time to win a game if you have the slightest idea of decisionmaking and objectives control, which high elo players do have. Low elo players do not. Which is why they're low elo. And that's my reasoning for why Veigar's nerfs gutting is unwarranted. If you as a bad player have issues with something good players don't have issues with, it's you who is the problem, not the champion. And I just noticed this. Sorry but you need to have some kind of brainlag to not be able to dodge an ability with a relatively small hitbox and a 1.2 second cooldown.

You do understand how low the range is of veigar's current Q and ult, right? Only if the ultimate lategame hits he's able to one hit you with a Q and Ult, and that's if you have zero magic resistance, and that's only if you are an AP user. Meanwhile if you just have a banshee's by then, again, Veigar can't do a single shit to you because his Q and ult will never instakill you regardless of your spell shield being up or down (which is Magic Resistance in effect), and if it is up, he simply can't harm you without getting in dangerous range to cast a Q or waste his stun which has a ~15 second cooldown and functions as his only engage and defense tool. Are you going to tell me that marksmen are toxic because their basic attacks are point click too and have no counterplay? With that logic, ADCs have no counterplay either because all they do is rightclick. What you call "no counterplay" gets instantly negated by the fact buying a banshee's against Veigar means he can't do anything to you without putting himself in danger. His Q and ult range is only 650. His W has a windup time of 1.2 seconds, so there's no way he's going to pop your banshee's with that. His stun has 16 second cooldown on max rank, so 9.6 seconds with 40% cdr. If he tries to pop your banshee's with that before a fight and you let him without engaging on him, you're the one to blame for being bad at managing the cooldowns of enemies. You then only have yourself to blame. His Q is also his only trading ability in lane. If you let him lob free Qs at you without just all inning him, then you're, again, doing something wrong. You don't go around complaining about a late game Talon having no counterplay, do you? Do you also ignore the need to buy armor against that?

I've just hit 5* village quests after killing the And I have yet to switch to a different armor set other than the first one. I've also only used the insect glaive's first upgrade to this point Lel Also reminder to download the starter pack which is available up to a month after release. It has the items you need to make the Luigi and Mario Palico gear

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Hi Veigar main here. These new changes were put in place to appeal to bad players who are unaware of how to deal with Veigar, much like other pubstompers such as Katarina or Akali. The reason Veigar isn't played so much as them, however, is because he doesn't have the capability to 1v5. He's a single target burst mage and that's it. These changes are actually really unfair and have completely castrated Veigar anywhere beyond high gold. His targeted Q and E > W > Q combos were his only means of harassing and trading in lane. In lower elos, people will not be smart enough to abuse minions to shield themselves against Veigar's skillshot Q, in turn changing it into a plain bad ability. The reason it works for lux is because she has her E to reliably harass with, AND her Q snares while veigar's Q only gives him some bonus AP. His E being given a delay have completely fucked Veigar over in at least midlane, where assassins with instant blinks are en masse. If you as a player have anywhere near a decent reaction speed, then 0.75 seconds is enough to never, ever get hit by his stun. However worse players may of course not be fast enough for this. Veigar will, as a result, be an Urgot or Gangplank tier pick which simply can not deal with the powercreeped kits of all the high tier champions in higher elo, but like any other champion will work fine in lower elos. These changes were completely uncalled for because, besides stabbing veigar in the dick by removing DFG, you can very easily buy mercs in lane and a banshee's lategame to have Veigar become a non factor to you. If you've never played as Veigar against someone who rushed mercs, or against a team who all got banshee's, then you don't really have a clue how completely balanced and "muh counterplay"ayable Veigar was. TL;DR Meddler is gold 1, Morello is Silver 4 and thus their balancing is only for the good of equally bad players. Enjoy even less diversity in the viability of mid's champion pool.

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Heh. Easy. Guinsoos is worthless on Akali. You'll really want a Zhonyas, which makes for amazing baits in teamfights, and just generally more survivability. Got nuts either way.

The tourny is starting in 5 minutes, correct? EDIT: Since less than half of the participants show up, will there even be any prizes? Also for what it was worth, the matches were fun.

I was first actually. My posts are on moderator queue and have to be approved before they're posted. Outplayed scrub.

Today on the PBE: Battlecast Alpha Skarner and Battlecast Kog'Maw skins Safecracker Evelynn and Pickpocket Twitch skins Captain Volibear and Constable Trundle skins Texture updates for Amumu, Ezreal, Caitlyn, Fizz, Kog'Maw, Gragas, Mordekaiser, Talon, Udyr, Urgot, Vladimir, Zilean Buffs for Azir, Nocturne and Soraka. Azir's buffs are pretty fucking big Post isn't even finished yet. Will update this post to reflect on the ff@20 one. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/11/114-pbe-update.html

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Paladin (zeroandboss ingame) will be joining my team, though she does want the rewards so eh

Top shaco is a thing now

According to some chart, Riven players leave ~5% of all games, and yasuo players ~4% of all games. Lee sin is also up there pretty high, so that seems accurate. That's a shame then. Pantheon is a big lane bully for people who don't have experience fighting him, but Riven should be one of the few champs that can easily deal with him because of what you just said.

I'm sorry for you. Everyone with a champion name in their IGN playing ranked is going to feed and be useless 9 out of 10 times. Best to deny them that champ by banning it.

Hi there I want to share my apologies for some of my behavior over the last few times I have been on either the server or forum. I was more or less being influenced by something that made me act like an ass. I know that's no excuse to misbehave, hence the apology. And to clarify, I have not been spamming the server. I haven't even been around to get online for weeks, in fact.