Alisae

I mean if I'm wrong, I'm perfectly willing to accept that and the consequences that come with that, but I want you to atleast help me out here and show me I'm wrong, and the best way for you to show me that I am wrong is for me to get into your head and see what you're thinking.

If you think I'm scum then by your PoV I am scum pushing you, right? So what I am trying to understand is why you feel personally attacked when I am trying to just scumhunt and get reads. Also what do you think of Jace and Bazaro?

Like this is just how I push my reads, with full confidence (for the most part) and aggressively. Thats kinda just being charismatic. I get into games for the most part as well, so pushes like these happen. I'm not really seeing what you are about the boasting I'm so great at the game. If that's just towards me being charismatic, I guess I can understand that since I've interacted with someone who thought something extremely similar and responded to me in a way you currently are. My intention isn't to boast about how big my ego is, I can do that as much as I want on MS. And quite frankly, I wouldn't play here if that was my intention because that would just come across as being a dick. My intention around here is to attempt to help create a growing environment. Because I like this place and I want to see people grow and get better at the game. So yes, while I still scumread you, I'll rep out if you're out having fun, because I much rather you have fun then feel unhappy because you're being pushed. If it makes you feel better, I sometimes also take being scumread personally, and that mostly happens on ms, but that's mostly because some of my friends who think they can read me scumread me when I'm town, and I think thats because they subconsciously fear my scumplay, when there's actually nothing to fear (mostly becuase my scumplay isn't as good as it used to be for some reason)

I'm not really doing any of those things? I'm sorry if it comes off that way, I'm trying to lynch who I think is scum and explain it. Would you want me to tell Dive to look for a replacement for me because of this? If you feel that way, I'll sub out if you're not having fun. I was looking forward to this game too but I rather ywall have fun if its going to come to this. I kinda don't like your reaction towards the push because for the most part, you're not really in any danger of being lynched (there's only two votes on you) and there are some people like @Alistair who don't agree with the read.

Choo choo there ain't no breaks on the Quinn Train. Hop on for a free scun lynch :3

My push isn't really related to the messages, its moreso "I noticed the messages, made a comment, then caught up and though Quinn was scummy." The messages and my Quinn push don't really have anything to do with each other, and I'm not seeing why you think they're related?

Can more people talk to me about my Quinn push and/or vote Quinn please?

I mean like, maybe? Quinn was hinting at something much more useful. So I doubt it but shrug. I don't really care either mostly because role isn't alignment indicative, play is.

Nah I doubt its a counter I think its moreso just scum snuffing out information.

You probably didn't get one because you're confirmed town and your role is public information

Bazaro, scum have the flavor needed to attempt to guess what each role could be in the first post of the thread where Dive explains all of the characters.

@Alistair The reads she presents in that post are extremely scummy and what it tells me is that Quinn isn't making an attempt to scumhunt.

Alright, let's talk about this quinn post. Quinn's evaluation of soso is scummy because this is the kind of meme I would expect soso to drop. Like you're scumreading soso for memeing. Not to mention, it could be completely possible for a cop to have used their night 0 invest on Drakyle. But the read here is extremely disingenuous. You're basicly scumreading soso...for being soso... Not to mention the vote there is disgusting and reeks that you're not trying to hunt scum, just present a solid, ironclad vote. Now when it comes to me and Evi, we haven't really butted heads at all. In fact I think that's Evi's first post in thread. I haven't gotten a chance to interact with Evi. And yet apparently we're "butting heads." Not to mention I'd hardly call what you call butting heads. It seems to me Evi is just challenging my plan, I don't think Evi fos'es me currently, and I don't really fos her. The read boils down to is "I am paranoid because these people are good at mafia." And even that paranoia doesn't really seem natural to me, mostly because I don't think you're trying to evaluate what's going on between us easily. Its an easy way to lazily fos me because you don't want to put the actual effort into reading me. Vote: Quinn Kill this with fire.

Catching up. Before I catch up. I am going to claim that I got a message asking for a claim with some kind of hidden code. My response to that is to go fuck yourself. And I suggest everyone else does the same. Mostly because this message seems really scummy imo from reading it. I want to know who if ANYONE got the a same or similar message that I did, or even just a different message entirely. More specificly, I want to know if it matches anyone else's character names, mostly because if you confirm you got the message, and it does, you are essentially telling what could easily be scum who you are, what your flavor is, and they could attempt to PoE what role you have. Anyways reading up now. @Eviora I highly doubt groupscum has a PGO or anything similar from a balance stand point, mostly because it would be extremely easy to get unaware townies or whomever to visit them and die. It is an extremely broken role in the hands of groupscum, and by a balance standpoint it will just, not be in the hands of groupscum. Speculating on what scum roles are currently is useless, its better to just try and look at who could be scum or not. Also, this is something done in cop 13er games (1 cop with a random n0 peak, 9 townies vs 3 wolves) but I mean at this point, we're probably too disorganized to attempt it, especially with people outing themselves as not a cop. Like Cop with a N0 is Extremely powerful and I am trying to utalize its power to the best of its abilities, but eh leave the discussion for postgame I guess. @Quinn You scumread both me and Evi because we're good at the game. Really? Let me finish catching up and then we'll talk, because your reads and how you got to them are just eww. @Alistair that's not a contribution its "I'm scared of these two players because they seem to know what they are doing." @Bazaro Yep, thats one of the thing's that is extremely nasty about that post. We're on page 5 now weeeee @Jace Stormkirk what about the plan is odd? And I mean yeah, I visited Newt, I thought I kinda established that when I was interacting with them. And what exactly do you want me to talk about? See, what I hate about your questioning here is the fact that its extremely unguided, and I think its moreso a prompt to look like you're doing something.

@Newt can you self-target yourself as one of the targets?

lol no Newt doesn't have to be alive to obtain his wincon. @Newt You should have just played like you were town until you got caught honestly, but I mean if you want to out yourself that works too I guess?

@Newt I mean I guess that lines up with what I have. I don't expect you to out your targets. If you want to talk about the game, you can hide your targets easily, but if you don't, I guess that's okay.

@Newt I am trying to figure out if there is a pro-town motive to keeping you alive and if you can townside.

Quinn litterally the whole purpose of what I said boiled down to tl;dr we need to protect the cop here is how if there is someone you townread hard say "if I were a cop, this person was my night 0 investigation with a town result"

@Newt Can you tell us what your win condition is? @Quinn You shouldn't have out that you aren't the cop unless its for WIFOM purposes mostly because now scum will think you aren't a cop and if they are cop hunting, they will probably avoid shooting you.

Lykos dieing is kinda good for us considering we won't have to worry about a 6 man scum team. Also Paul just call me Alle or Sae lol @Newt can you clearify a bit more what you mean by that your role isn't helpful in anyway? I kinda don't want you to shy away from us and lurk because you got a role you didn't like

Yep, that's another thing we're forcing scum to do. We're force scum to A. Try to attract as MANY N0 town results as possible and B. Aggressively cop hunt by looking at people's N0's, and see if they are on scum or not. If they are on scum they know that they're not a cop. If they're NOT on scum, and scum think they are a cop, they will shoot that person. If that person does not flip cop, AND we can indentiy that their n0 was why they were killed, their n0 is effectively lock clear. Hiding the cop doesn't make them ineffective. If anything, it makes them MORE effective since they are able to drop their peeks safely. Assuming no one fakeclaims cop, if the real cop desperately needs to claim, they can claim. It's not our job as town to hunt PRs. Its our job to indentify and lynch scum. The site meta here is effectively we're all PRs because ywall don't like vanilla games and ywall have Night 0s.

I'm re-quoting this because this is something we should be discussing if we plan on doing it. I should probably use this as a reminder to not pre-emptively out your role for no reason.

I'm not asking the cop to out themselves I am infact doing the opposite I am asking for the village to be able to all pretend we are the cop, and crumb our results via hypoclaims. But yes, pre-emptive claims are bad. I am not asking for that. I am asking to lay down cover for the cop. How are mafia supposed to figure this out? I don't exactly see the risk you're seeing.

Um it would be nice if you have any thoughts, comments, concerns, and/or complaints you want to share about my plan.