Commander Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I leave for like an hour and then this happens. Generally I only step in when there's powerplaying or just upright bs tactics. I don't question Pokemon logic because that's the way it is. If you stick to the in-game moves, there shouldn't anything that has to be disputed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted April 8, 2015 Support Squad Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'm debating swapping cofagrigus for Froslass or Mismagius. They each make more sense for a coordinator because each are more, appealing I suppose?? The thing that bugs me is that they were both planned to be used by Bfroger and Tses, if they return. Also, If I chose Froslass, I would have one pokemon from each and every type, all 18 types tagged and bagged, ready to go. The thing that makes me lean more towards Mismagius is straight up personal affection. I just prefer the little witch. However, if I swapped cofagrigus, i'd be losing out on some much needed bulk because so much of my team is based on speed. Bar Colere, Lance and Lupin the krookodile all of my planned mon are 100+ speed and are far more offensive based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 8, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) I'm thinking about this too much arent I....Pokemon Logic is Pokemon Logic I guess. Back to procrastinating on my homework then lol.... Jolteon nickname done,now 1 for Froslass! Edited April 8, 2015 by Azeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 hmmmm........dayum... I just recalled that the Aggron line gets Metal Burst...and I want me some heavy metal burst... but I know that for a starting moveset, it would absolmolutely unacceptable to have both D-rush and heavy Metal Burst... I needs to choose between the wrath of a dragon or some hardcore rock and roll... this may well be the most difficult decision I will ever have to make... EDIT: if she gets D-rush, I'll be using her more in a panzer tank role like Miyuki, just minus the cloak of mist and such... if she gets Metal Burst, I'll have to go the more traditional slow american tank pattern, taking hits and dishing them out... but a panzer easily kills an american tank from the same time period... hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'm debating swapping cofagrigus for Froslass or Mismagius. They each make more sense for a coordinator because each are more, appealing I suppose?? The thing that bugs me is that they were both planned to be used by Bfroger and Tses, if they return. Also, If I chose Froslass, I would have one pokemon from each and every type, all 18 types tagged and bagged, ready to go. The thing that makes me lean more towards Mismagius is straight up personal affection. I just prefer the little witch. However, if I swapped cofagrigus, i'd be losing out on some much needed bulk because so much of my team is based on speed. Bar Colere, Lance and Lupin the krookodile all of my planned mon are 100+ speed and are far more offensive based. My advice is to not think in terms of competitively, but more in terms of the Pokemon's character. I mean if you just pretty much are going to pick Cofegrigas for balance and has a dull personality and really he'd only be seen in battle, then I'd pick a different Pokemon. I mean dull as in boring to read and write because some dull personalities can be entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 8, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Speaking about moves like Metal Burst...... I'm thinking about having Counter on Ryo now since he has really low Physical defense and hp so anyone trying to finish him with a Physical move shall find quite a surprise laying in wait for them...now should I run that with Toxic to just ward of most physical attackers or run Double Team to have counter as a trumpcard instead of the first defense against most physically offensive opponents..........Then again,Hitmonlee is no slouch in that department so perhaps Mind Reader to make sure his attacks hit would be better than counter. Edited April 8, 2015 by Azeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted April 8, 2015 Support Squad Share Posted April 8, 2015 Well cfagrigus was going to be a link to Claudes cockiness a litle bit later in the story. He was a pharoah, he'd be an arrogant sunoovabitch and at first I thought that would be an interesting little relationship. The other two however would be more mscheivous and a little bit kind-hearted, friends to Doux who would be feeling quite lonely whn introduced to quite a few more stoic and aggressive pokemon since Douxs start with his friend and master. They'd hep with more of a grop dynamic and if introduced later let me bring Doux back in more storywise after Claude has ideally developed so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 alright, I not 100% certain, but Brienne might start with Metal Burst and just get D-rush much later on (probably as an aggron) if she gets it at all. It's just that with the Anime's mechanics and portrayal of Metal Burst as somr ball that absorbs and sends back the attack with even more power, it would make it easier for me to write about her backstory and her father's actions... in comparrison to having the explaination be that he killed them all with the fires of draconic rage... though with Metal Burst, he would've had a much easier time surviving the fight... since the adrenaline from D-rush is kinda what got him all those inju- ya know what? no more spoilers, I've said enough... I'll figure it out. If I decide to use it in place of D-rush I think i might have it work a bit like Superpower to balance it out- using it in excess tires out the user at a faster and faster rate as the fight drags on. I'd suggest probably doing the same thing with Safeguard because of it's portrayal in the anime as well (go look at it- that shit works better than protect, reflect, and light screen...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 8, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Tempted to just say fuck it and go for Hydreigon since it's pretty much perfect for the team,it fixes large the ghost/dark weakness there is right now and just works well with most of the team(Especially Kusariga).... Even if it is a Pseudo,it kinda fits James since half his family is from Unova which is Hydreigon's native homeland (Speaking of his family,i've got a lot of stuff from his father's side but nothing from His mothers.....idk whether I should leave it at that or put in a grandparent or something)His ghost types are also very dangerous so Hydreigon kinda fills that part out.... ....oh my goodness...broken safeguard is broken,pretty much protect but much better...if you use it incombination with something like recover or wish however..... Edited April 8, 2015 by Azeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Tempted to just say fuck it and go for Hydreigon since it's pretty much perfect for the team,it fixes large the ghost/dark weakness there is right now and just works well with most of the team(Especially Kusariga).... Even if it is a Pseudo,it kinda fits James since half his family is from Unova which is Hydreigon's native homeland (Speaking of his family,i've got a lot of stuff from his father's side but nothing from His mothers.....idk whether I should leave it at that or put in a grandparent or something)His ghost types are also very dangerous so Hydreigon kinda fills that part out.... Eh, don't feel bad, I got the same situation with Mareek- though I eventually plan to gradually reveal more and more on the topic of his father over time. Since Alexandra is the one still alive though, she's been getting most of the backstory and such shined a bit upon so far... but the ghost of papa will get his own side of the tale soon enough... EDIT: also, for some reason, I would not trust James with a hydreigon... literally any other psuedo, but that one... EDIT2: That's why I'm taking it upon myself to try to balance it out and suggest it be treated like Superpower and tire out the user over time. Like little by little, the strain from using it against so many attacks becomes too much and exhaustion sets in. And Recovery/ Wish won't remove the exhuastion just to nerf any abusers. Basically a mon could be at full health thanks to an abuse of recover/ wish, but it wouldn't matter cause they would still straight up slump over asleep from the exhaustion and be unable to battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 8, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) whaaaattttttt,homage to the family homeland yo. And you would be right not to lol,he's got enough dangerous stuff. A chandelier that can burn you,steal life energy AND burn your soul,the fucking reaper pokemon(made into the gripper mon in the pokedex for the kiddies but we all know what Dusknoir really is),Ferrothorn who can just throw those metal things,Froslass who freezes it's prey before eating it alive and others..... I just adore Hydreigon,mainly due to how me and 90% of the people playing pokeymanz first witnessed it. You get to the end of the game with yer legendary Dragon of Truth and Ideals after you beat the elite 4,beat N and what's this Ghetsis is the true final boss? You beat his lead and what comes out? A three headed hydra dragon who then proceeds to anihilate you. It doesnt hurt that it's part dark so that takes 2 of my favourite types and adds em toghether. But i'm getting an idea of how to have it be obtained.... Edited April 8, 2015 by Azeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Meanwhile... how many explicitly dangerous mons does Mareek final team have? *Goes and looks*... I bet the answer will be very ironic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 ....oh my goodness...broken safeguard is broken,pretty much protect but much better...if you use it incombination with something like recover or wish however..... Generally I only step in when there's powerplaying or just upright bs tactics. I don't question Pokemon logic because that's the way it is. If you stick to the in-game moves, there shouldn't anything that has to be disputed. I don't think I need to say anything else on the matter. Keep it to the in-game version. And Dobby, seems like there are two different paths to take. If you feel Doux is going to get left out later on, then I'd go for the latter options. Just let it sit for a little bit and pick the one you'd rather do. Balance should be the last thing to work off of anyways. And Zerron, I might actually pick up Avalugg because of Mist the one thing Glaceon can't do. Nah, Frost Breath Glaceon it still is. If only Glalie looked visually more appealing. That thing would instantly be on Henry's team because it's way better than Glaceon. Super Fang makes up for any of its flaws. Tempted to just take him up instead because Glaceon disappoints me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 *Stares kubrikly for a moment...* Anyways, disregarding safeguard and metal burst and such until chim can say something in regards to it- If you're taking up Avalugg, I can give you the planned final moveset I had for it. I had several infact, one involving... safeguard. but many others that do not. See, I like to think ahead. if one idea gets shot down, I got more and more to fall back to as needed, all thanks to this little notebook of mine... EDIT: ah... it warms my heart to see someone besides myself using vacuum wave...such an excellent move if one knows how to use it... hey, wait a minute... that thing was running Vacuum Wave this entire time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted April 8, 2015 Support Squad Share Posted April 8, 2015 Y'know, visual appeal ain't everything commander. There's a reason I put Colere and Lance on Claudes team, two very, let's face, unappealing pokemon. Of course, thats speaking for Claude who right now believes more in the traditional idea of beauty and cuteness. There is a beauty in power though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 8, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 8, 2015 Egg Morsmodre lesgo,first mon obtained in year 2 aswell..... Hey wait a minute..I went back through Zerron's thing about Sebastian and saw that he said "After being exiled both times." Does this mean he's gunna come back in year 2 or something entirely different? Also,Ironic how both members of the Gothithele line that have been used by your characters are shown as villains or in the case of Gladus owned by someone Mareek's mother hates..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Alright Freddie you can have your spot back (So now four oldies are back). I was doing Glaceon for a moveset that matched its visual appearance, but since the thing can't learn mist, I tried substituting Frost Breath for it. I'll have to think of something for Glalie though. Shouldn't be too hard considering he pretty much could do everything Glaceon could (except dig and aqua tail). As for moves like counter and metal burst, I think double the damage might be a little over the top. Maybe something like they can swing the same attack power back with a little bit more oomph. That way people can't abuse the "you hit my Pokemon a little over half his health so I basically can one-shot your Pokemon" tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 8, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 8, 2015 How about 1.5x the damage the done by the attack? Not really gunna be too OP but is still gunna deal much more punishment(Show that enemy who's boss for using Draco Meteor or something!) Anyways,ama make Vale shiny(Makes him gold and shows off how greedy he is but demotes his cool rupe to Green)since no one else but he,Froslass and Morsmodre the Hydreigon would have a shiny I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Egg Morsmodre lesgo,first mon obtained in year 2 aswell..... Hey wait a minute..I went back through Zerron's thing about Sebastian and saw that he said "After being exiled both times." Does this mean he's gunna come back in year 2 or something entirely different? Also,Ironic how both members of the Gothithele line that have been used by your characters are shown as villains or in the case of Gladus owned by someone Mareek's mother hates..... something entirely different. He joins the team (forces his way on more like it) in year one and thats where everything starts. After torturing the boy psychologically and trying to control him for a short time, Erce and Java and the team becomes privy and Erce, as the boy's protector, takes it upon herself to remove the threat from their midst. Erce royally beats his ass, destroys his ball thus releasing him- and he gets exiled the first time. time passes, during the second year, he eventually evolves into a gothitelle on his own and goes home to the lake in the academy forest and begins stalking people again... including Galen. until Azelstan finds him, gets pissed because he's corrupting the youth, damn near kills him but holds back and ultimately tells him to GTFO or die- He leaves again, this time with no where to go and becomes a vagrant. More time passes, he's finally able to get some type of concrete plan in place, moves against Erce and Mareek and Azelstan somehow. Final confrontation ensues somehow, and everyone knows from experience that exile is not enough- ergo... Sebastian is finally killed because he's proven himself to be too damn vindictive and dangerous to let live. at that point, if they let him go again, all of them will be dead, so it's them or him, and they're gonna choose themselves. it basically is mroe or less the same structure as Achilles de Flandres progression during the Shadow Series by Card. He does shit and proves time and time again he's too damn dangerous to let live, and finally they kill him like is nessacary. his death is a symbol of the past finally being slain and the darkness it was engulfed in with it, and the path to the future finally beginning to open for the red head. (Basically, it's his "vader turns back to a jedi" moment) EDIT: also, I REALLY suggest we all stop talking about moves like Safeguard and Metal Burst and Counter until Chimchain himself gives the ultimate verdict on what to do with them and just drop it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 How about 1.5x the damage the done by the attack? Not really gunna be too OP but is still gunna deal much more punishment(Show that enemy who's boss for using Draco Meteor or something!) Anyways,ama make Vale shiny(Makes him gold and shows off how greedy he is but demotes his cool rupe to Green)since no one else but he,Froslass and Morsmodre the Hydreigon would have a shiny I like. I'd say 1.25 at the most (Though I think 1.1 times is best). I have to head to work otherwise I'd explain the numbers a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I forgot how much of an annoyance copycat can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboAura Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I forgot how much of an annoyance copycat can be. I do tend to make the Copycated move weaker than the actual move since it's imitating it, but yeah it can be used in some good ways. Also, the Copycat- Bulldoze was moreso used as 'limiting the damage taken' instead of attacking, so Delilah doesn't need the speed drop if you'd rather not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 9, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 9, 2015 There used to be people who spammed Copycat Riolu+Hazards back in BW/BW2...I hated them :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 She's not exactly going to outspeed a Lucario anyday. It's better that she drops it. I mean, what other reason would he have to copycat if it didn't lower speed? Especially if the damage is lowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboAura Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) She's not exactly going to outspeed a Lucario anyday. It's better that she drops it. I mean, what other reason would he have to copycat if it didn't lower speed? Especially if the damage is lowered. Well that's true, my logic was moreso the idea of firing a wave at another wave. Despite the 'second wave' being weaker than the original, the fact that the second wave pushed against it makes the original less powerful than it was to begin with.On a side note, feeling ironically lucky that Kiai didn't get paralyzed before getting flung this time. (Ch. 2 vs. Claude reference) 😅 Edited April 9, 2015 by TurboAura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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