Commander Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Well then,there go any chances James had of winning. Atleast it isnt freaking download since Shade's special defense is a bit lower than his physical one,it'd be doing 150% instead of 130%. >.> Will-o-Wisp+Confuse Ray can only do so much after all and if it hits the water field Shade's pretty much fucked no way around it,moment he gets wet the battle is over. I could still see Shade winning even in the water field. I'll give you a hint: Icy Wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 9, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) -Tips his Hat and raises his own glass- I expect nothing but the best,good luck my adversary. You better bring Burn Heal!(Seriously though,WoW is gunna stay on Shade's moveset for a long while,maybe even permanently) Defeat would actually work out better for him since it could lead into him finding Vale And having some of his stuff stolen by that little bastard. Oh yeah,Icy Wind could be very usefull but I'll wait for the battle to decide whether to push him towards victory or defeat. Just saying here though,Shadow Sneak isnt the only way for Shade to dissapear :x Edited April 9, 2015 by Azeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurorix Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I'd find it very funny if Java and Shade just have a stand off because neither of them wants to go first and they both get disqualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I could still see Shade winning even in the water field. I'll give you a hint: Icy Wind I'll give you another hint. Discharge V Ice Field, Dragon Trip of October. And the wind chill would realistically only affect the water down to a certain depth, which likely wouldn't be more than a few feet below the surface tops. And it's a deep pool from the measurements given... -Tips his Hat and raises his own glass- I expect nothing but the best,good luck my adversary. You better bring Burn Heal!(Seriously though,WoW is gunna stay on Shade's moveset for a long while,maybe even permanently) Defeat would actually work out better for him since it could lead into him finding Vale And having some of his stuff stolen by that little bastard. Oh yeah,Icy Wind could be very usefull but I'll wait for the battle to decide whether to push him towards victory or defeat. Just saying here though,Shadow Sneak isnt the only way for Shade to dissapear :x *Tips own hat* And remember, my good fellow, Defeat can make you more powerful in the end if you are able to learn from it! Hence why I threw the match against jacob on the trip... look how much Mareek learned! He acquired shock tactics and freezing tactics, all from that one bout, as well as ways to deal with confuse ray... Because, my good man, Defeat teaches more than victory ever could. one need only realize that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 9, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) ...That could honestly actually happen lol. Like that Metapod vs Metapod battle in the second anime episode XD SPAM HARDEN btw,this could make Shade learn how to use Payback,since ghosts are vengefull creatures and all lol. ...I was literally gunna have his uncle say something along the lines of "Defeat is our teacher,victory is our reward" or something XDDD Edited April 9, 2015 by Azeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I'll give you another hint. Discharge V Ice Field, Dragon Trip of October. And the wind chill would realistically only affect the water down to a certain depth, which likely wouldn't be more than a few feet below the surface tops. And it's a deep pool from the measurements given... Oh you underestimate me and my advice. That's exactly what I'd want you to do. Too bad Shade didn't learn Tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 You realize it's like an electric eel, right? Notice how they manage to shock everything but themselves even in the water and everything? Yeah, from what the games and the anime and manga all present, it seems the same basic principle applies. Don't underestimate me, my good man. I have been bored for a very long time and have spend a bit too long browsing bulbapedia! :Kappa: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I have no idea how you'd even think about getting shocked by your own attack? Still a very viable strategy regardless of Discharge not being able to damage Java. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I have no idea how you'd even think about getting shocked by your own attack? Still a very viable strategy regardless of Discharge not being able to damage Java. Oh...what did you mean then? Ever since the whole dispute about whether or not Java would logically get shocked by his own move back during the trip, I automatically assume someone's gonna try to pull that defense in their counter argument against every electric based tactic. Hence the eel retort... Let's see... Icy Wind- obviously plays some part in this... My best guess is to perhaps use tackle or something to create a splash then immediately unleash Icy Wind... though, I may be missing something given that the submersion appears to be something you'd want alongside the discharge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 9, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 9, 2015 Imma drop a hint here:Don't look at the Flames. You'll know what it means soooooooon enough. Anyways,Shade knows Feint attack which could do the same thing as tackle but Java would not be able to evade it....thing is,it would make Shade a sitting duck for Discharge and Icy Wind(Which would make him unable to use WoW without melting the frost which would make him wet.) And as you know wet Shade=Insta GG. Though the Forest field would help him a lot more lol since it's Shade's natural habitat and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Combining WoW with a tackle like attack to guarantee a burn on java then... Either that or Confuse ray- which again... the light can not prevail... And you said Shade's gonna be fighting on his own right? in the IC? And I'd like to correct something I saw about Lock-on: It doesn't require sight, if it did, how would it possibly find foes moving too fast to see or whom were cloaking themselves or invisible? If anything's on that battle field, it can and will be locked on to if it's used. The move does not fail EDIT: You're going to combine WoW and Ray, aren't you? I can do this all day, the bored side of the force has made me strong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 9, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Yeah,minimal commands(And that'd only be in the unlikely case of Shade being in danger)Shade knows what to do anyhow. Damn thing has been with James for 10 years,he knows the guy aswell as he knows his ghost moves. They've been pretty much training on improving his use of Shadow Sneak and the ghost dissapearance thing that comes naturally. ....yeah.....that's pretty much step 1 lol. Edited April 9, 2015 by Azeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 *Chuckles ominously* Step one? Well, regardless, my good man *Again raises glass* Cheers! may ectoplasm soak the field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Yeah,minimal commands(And that'd only be in the unlikely case of Shade being in danger)Shade knows what to do anyhow. Damn thing has been with James for 10 years,he knows the guy aswell as he knows his ghost moves. They've been pretty much training on ....yeah.....that's pretty much step 1 lol. 10 years XD. I didn't think any Pokemon was around as longer than Rosie. But yeah if you do a strategy enough times, a Pokemon will know how to do a strategy without a command. Henry training (from what I remember) has to do more on a Pokemon figuring out how to adapt and improvise to the point they can fight and learn on their own. It takes a lot of trust and a certain Pokemon in Year 2 is going to be very problematic with this strategy. And Azery, you're pretty much screwed. If Faust has spent all this time figuring out counters, it might be better to just focus on putting on a show like I did with Burrows. I knew I was probably going to lose that battle because damage dealt < roost along with them being on similar power levels. inb4 a new field that completely screws Java over is picked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted April 9, 2015 Veterans Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) If only Shade had Pain Split :x I'm pretty much screwed on any field besides the Foresty one and even then,Java can just spam lock on+Discharge for victory XD. If it uses Conversion 2,which I don't even know why it would,Shade would stand a chance since his primary stab is usable but he would lose due to Java's superior stats. As both Faust and Uncle Thomas said:"Defeat is our teacher,Victory is our reward for heeding said teacher" Edited April 9, 2015 by Azeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 If only Shade had Pain Split :x I'm pretty much screwed on any field besides the Foresty one and even then,Java can just spam lock on+Discharge for victory XD. If it uses Conversion 2,which I don't even know why it would,Shade would stand a chance since his primary stab is usable but he would lose due to Java's superior stats. As both Faust and Uncle Thomas said:"Defeat is our teacher,Victory is our reward for heading said teacher" Yes, Defeat! embrace her like mother russia! for defeat paves the surest path to victory in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Well for some reason, I decided to drop Aerodactyl again and bring back the Gallade idea, but this time in the form of an Alakazam. Now here's the hard part: I don't know whether to Mega Alakazam, Blastoise, or Glalie because I don't like any of their Mega abilities honestly and I'd have to really alter Blastoise's planned moveset if I mega him. This'll be the hardest decision of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I just thought up of where Kiyone could come from... *Looks at Joltara...* Hell, I could do the same thing for Acesco if I wanted, just change her name to something Japanese and bingo- their legit sisters. And Dobby- encase you read that post before I could edit, it stops when Mareek leaves the room, I've taken the other part taking place in the hallway out to give you a bit more flexibility to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted April 9, 2015 Support Squad Share Posted April 9, 2015 Noted, and dude, the two Eevees have to be siblings, come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Ah yes, the symbology of such a thing... oh hell, I'll probably end up doing just that... Either they'll be twins and Acesco makes it over to Mareek first or Acesco will just outright be the elder of the siblings... which can work even better Though if they're both gonna be like that, I can probably go ahead and change Kiyone over from a Glaceon to some over Eeveelution, since... well, I can probably still make the plan work even with another type... but I just like how Glaceon looks though- dat coldness... Damn, if only Eevee had a steel evolution. I might make her into an Umbreon...or a Leafeon... or maybe just keep her a Glaceon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_H Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Gamefreak really ought to get on making Ferreon... they're making a bold move, breaking their Pattern like they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Eh, screw it... seems that any of the Eeveelutions... are fully capable of pulling off the medic role because of access to wish and heal bell. Go figure I might do a bit of Asofai and go with... literal fire and ice... or perhaps fire and water- since those two could reflect the relation ship between Galen and Mareek rather well (hence the color coding used to head my post- Galen=blue, Mareek=red) I like that combo. Can have a bit of fun with steam... whether in doubles or not. that means Mareek would more or less become more of a steel type trainer with two psychics thrown in to tag along. I could... guess just count java as an honorary psychic type for the sake of trying to balance it out since... he can kinda fill the role of one, but it wouldn't be the same without an actual one. I know! I shall have the theme... be Smithery! Steel, Water, and Fire- he's got those types, and you need all that to work metal and what not. Or I could the opposite route and have the theme be how to destroy steel- Steel, Water, and Ice (Cracking) technically we'd need heat, but... who cares? I can still have a bit of fun with a Vaporeon/ Glaceon duo just as I can have fun with a Vaporeon/ Flareon duo. Or maybe I could do an electrocution theme and have one take after their mother... Joltoen/ Vaporeon. Though that one might be a tragic accident waiting to happen, so.... let's not. (Can't have one sister accidentally killing the other) Of course, If I get rid of the psychic part- I could probably replace Vex the mime... he might be fun to screw with people though... invisible barriers being set up everywhere to create a maze for people who happen to piss off his trainer... and he could seal the tops to, and then the exits, and... But if I run the Ice/ Water, I get two good counters to what the team's biggest weakness would be- ground. Hershel takes out Fighters... so does erce in most cases, and Azelstan could hold his own with one of the planned sets. only one weak to fire is hershell and Erce, but Erce has her quad weakness to it completely nerfed thanks to training that started in chapter one and will continue all the way throughout the story... (I mean it, she will never stop heat training). And Kiyone and her sister will be able to play with mist regardless of whether they fight together or not- because I came up with something involving hidden power... oh yeah... I'm liking this. Liking this a whole lot. probably more than I should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyrus the Priestess Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 *throws Umbreon out of the window for Faust* and why is America cheering for Mother Russia that's so out of character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Faust, I'd go with Fiareon and Glaceon just for the symbolism and the poem Fire and Ice. And since when are we worried about coverage. The best Eeveelution is Umbreon though. And yep, I think Blastoise is going to be my Mega now since Phoebe's is no longer Blastoise. Even when I get the Mega Stone, I probably won't use it right away so that I can run the original moveset before the altered one to fit the Mega. Also Red, maybe instead of trying to resolve this thing by having your PC be headstrong trying to pull strings and metagame to do this all by yourself, you could ask one of us for help if your stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 *throws Umbreon out of the window for Faust* and why is America cheering for Mother Russia that's so out of character America is also using the name of a german man whose grandpapa was a nazi. Don't point out the contradictions here, honey, cause we could be here for a while. and I considered Umbreon but... neh, if there were some moves that create artificial darkness... but there aren't so... now... what to replace the mime with... since Azelstan will likely come in and fill whatever slot it would be occupying up until then... lucario? Mars? Bisharp? I'd consider aegislash if it had a different ability than Stance Change since... it's kinda deffective in this setting. But... perhaps I could ask chimchain if something like stacking it up evenly for the stats would be acceptable. For example, have a flat base stat set of HP 60, Attack 100, Defense 100, Sp. Att. 100, Sp. Def 100, and speed 60 it would have no ability, and in all honestly, the BST would remain the same at 520... it would just be far more well rounded and less... defective. just a thought though. basically, its a tank.. thingy...though I can totally see if this gets shot down because of potential issues with a combo of Kings Shield and Sacred Sword... though people who are going to cheat/ power play will likely find a way to attempt it regardless of the mon. moving on... perhaps durant... Or klefki... steal yo keys if you piss off his master. or perhaps Fortress... or Skarmory... are you noticing the theme here? what I'm specifically trying to avoid? And if I go with Fire/ Water or Fire/ Ice, I'm probably gonna need to run either skarmory or something with levitate to balance it out... EDIT: And I usually don't speak up much about this type of thing because... i get hot quick about it, but he's right kenny. If you're stuck on what to do, there's no shame asking someone more experienced for advice. I'm sure someone could easily help you deduce a course of action that will be acceptable to the rules. We don't bite, afterall... well, I know that at least I don't. I prefer using electricity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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