AZKnight Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I have not done a lot of breeding and I somewhat understands the mechanics behind it. I got pretty good at getting the Natures and IVs that I wanted on my Pokemon the few times I did breed for competitive play. Still a bitch, but I knew what to do to make it easier. I thought it would be a piece of cake to breed a Conkeldurr for an upcoming Tournament I will be running at my university, but then something caught my eye. I knew that Drain Punch had to be bred on it but I thought that it learned Mach Punch by level up. Not the case. Oh, well I'm sure the Pokemon you use to breed Drain Punch onto it also learns Mach Punch. Wrong. You need Mienshao for Drain Punch, but you need either Hitmonchan or Infernape for Mach Punch. Now I have always been confused about how moves are passed down and it's hard enough when you only have two parents. Except now I have three parents potentially. It doesn't look like any of them learn the other move. Even if they did I would not know if that would work. Simply put: How do you breed Conkeldurr to have Drain Punch and Mach Punch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Drain Punch is a TM in Gen IV, give it to Hitmonchan, learn Mach Punch by level up, profit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZKnight Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 See, I don't think that would work. If it did, then why wouldn't it list Hitmonchan as a Father that can pass down Drain Punch? Second, one of the rules of passing down moves: [quote]The Pokémon will start with any TM or HM moves (and starting in Crystal, move tutor moves) that the father knows and the baby can also learn by machine. [/quote] Conkeldurr cannot learn Drain Punch because it is no longer a TM. Which is why I don't think Hitmonchan is listed as a father for Drain Punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 One of the other methods for passing down egg moves: [quote]If the male Pokémon knows a move that the offspring can learn only by breeding. For example, if a male Dragonite knowing Outrage is bred with a female Charizard, the resulting Charmander will know Outrage. [/quote] Timubrr has both Drain Punch and Mach Punch as egg moves, as long as the father knows Drain Punch and Mach Punch, it will work. Why Bulbapedia and perhaps some other sites are silly enough to not list Hitmonchan as a parent for Drain punch, I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonz996 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Doesn't Infernape learn Mach Punch too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZKnight Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 [quote name='Bullet' timestamp='1300796939' post='11907'] One of the other methods for passing down egg moves: [quote] If the male Pokémon knows a move that the offspring can learn only by breeding. For example, if a male Dragonite knowing Outrage is bred with a female Charizard, the resulting Charmander will know Outrage.[/quote] Timubrr has both Drain Punch and Mach Punch as egg moves, as long as the father knows Drain Punch and Mach Punch, it will work. Why Bulbapedia and perhaps some other sites are silly enough to not list Hitmonchan as a parent for Drain punch, I have no idea. [/quote] I guess that does make sense. It is strange that they don't list it but maybe it's just an error that needs fixing. Bulba is edited by mere mortals. [quote name='Dragonz996' timestamp='1300797422' post='11909'] Doesn't Infernape learn Mach Punch too? [/quote] Yes, and I listed it in my original post as one of the two Pokemon that can pass Mach Punch to Conkeldurr, the other being Hitmonchan. However, Infernape cannot learn Drain Punch, even with the TM. It's really strange what they've done with Drain Punch. When it was a TM only five Fighting Pokemon could learn it: Hitmonchan, Breloom, Medicham, Lucario and Gallade. Quite a few Fighting Pokemon left out of that list, especially some that you might argue are good at punching, like Primeape who wears boxing gloves. The other Pokemon that can learn it all seem so random, like Vileplume, Sceptile, Cacturne and Togetic (Meaning that yes, Togekiss can know Drain Punch). Yet when they removed it from TM status, they highly limited who can learn by level up to only two Generation V Pokemon, one of which is that damn Water/Ground toad. They didn't even let Hitmonchan keep it, the icon of a punching Pokemon. Hitmonchan cannot even learn Drain Punch through breeding. Out of the 35 Pokemon who could learn the TM, only three can still learn it through breeding now. The other Pokemon who learn it via breeding are Conkeldurr, Scrafty, Toxicroak (was not one of the original 35), plus Kangaskhan and Lopunny through the Dream World (they were in the original 35). I had no idea it was so limited to begin with as a TM that even Fighting Pokemon who could punch could not learn it, and now it's even rarer to have access to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted March 22, 2011 Administrators Share Posted March 22, 2011 How does that exclusiveness compare to Giga Drain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Most grass types learn Giga Drain Then there's random shit like Muk, Flygon, Kabutops, etc. that can learn it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Yep. Plants that somehow steal your energy, and bugs that will leech it... Giga drain is meh. But yes, drain punch pisses me the hell off. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Giga Drain can be a bitch too depend on the user while Drain punch can meet Mr. Shadowfag and get complete walled in. Infact Mr.Shadowfag also laughs at Grass moves too and leech life? Leech life hmmm herp so fimiliar.... IT MUST BE POWERFUL IN SOMEWAY!!!(ifucantidentifysarcasmufail.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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