saltwater Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hey there guys, Usually when building a team I Just go with my favourites and try to get type coverage and thats where my statergy basically ends but I've decided to experiment with some weather teams and would like your thoughts on how this could be improved as this is my first ever designed team. Its a sandstorm team here's the set up and then I'll discuss stratergy afterward: Drillbur [Adamant] evs: 252 speed 252 Attack Ability:Sandrush item: Smooth Rock Sandstorm Earthquake Rock slide Swords Dance Forretress [sassy] 252 hp 252 def Sturdy leftovers Toxic spikes stealth rock Explosion Rapid spin Flygon [Jolly] 252 att 252 speed Levitate Smooth rock Sandstorm Rock slide Crunch Dragon Tail Gliscor [Adamant] 120 att 132 def 252 spdef Sand veil poison barb/leftovers Swords dance Sky uppercut Acrobatics Poison Jab Gastrodon [Quiet] 252 hp 252 spatt Storm Drain Leftovers Recover Muddy water water pulse Mud bomb Metagross Any setup . The basic stratergy Behind this is forretress goes into to set up multiple layers of entry hazards before selfdestructing probably killing the opponents lead pokemon. Flygon is then switched in to create a sandstorm that with smooth rock lasts 8 turns. Flygon outspeeds most opponents and hits constantly with dragon tail, dealing damage but also forcing the opponent to switch which in turns means hazard damage form the spikes. Drillbur is one of the only other pokemon who can set up a sandstorm in case flygon gets ko'd and with his sand rush ability can pretty much outspeed anything. Gliscor is just a massive tank, set up swords dance and sweep away,also has a lot of type coverage with his move pool. Gastidon is our only true special sweeper and has a lot of stab moves with insane spatt and hp aswell as recovery setup he should be able take a lot of things down and be a pain to get rid off. Metagross could be set up multiple ways so just adapt to what you feel the team needs. I'd love to her how this could be improved or thoughts on the current setup as this is my first ever designed team, including substituting pokemon/movesets. Thank you for reading please comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonikku Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Since this is a team consisting of your favorites, I'll go easy on you and won't suggest new pokes. You might want to run a Focus Sash or Life orb on Excadrill, and run Iron Head over Swords Dance. With all of the fairies running around nowadays, its better this way. Judging your EV spread, you should run Dragon Claw over Dragon tail, and Fire punch over Rock Slide. Gliscor does not sweep. It excels at supporting and stalling. It doesn't have the ideal movepool or speed. With that EV spread it definitely won't be sweeping. If you want offense run max attack and speed, Acrobatics, Earthquake, Knock Off and Swords Dance. Forretress is pretty good, but spikes over toxic spikes. Gastrodon doesn't sweep, but it can do big damage. Run Ice Beam, Scald, Earth Power and Recover. Life orb or Leftovers. Now Metagross on the over hand, can sweep. Give it the spread of max Hp and Max attack. Give it weakness policy with Meteor Mash, Zen Headbutt, Earthquake and Agility. Set up an agility while anticipating a super effective move and this man can do wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimeFg Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 So, I'm going to guess this is for competitive, and this isn't the place for that, but regardless, if this is competitive, gastrodon can learn sandstorm as well, so you can replace muddy water with that. Then you can put an air balloon on excadrill and replace sandstorm with iron head. Also, it may not be the best idea to have your only spinner explode, so gyro ball would probably be a better choice for him. And you can probably ditch rock slide on Flygon for earthquake for a powerful stab move, especially because excadrill gets rock slide, and metagross gets ice punch. Gastrodon also gets Earthquake through TM, so you should replace mud bomb for that. And I personally prefer the poison stall gliscor with protect, sub, earthquake, and fling/toxic with toxic orb and poison heal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltwater Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Since this is a team consisting of your favorites, I'll go easy on you and won't suggest new pokes. You might want to run a Focus Sash or Life orb on Excadrill, and run Iron Head over Swords Dance. With all of the fairies running around nowadays, its better this way. Judging your EV spread, you should run Dragon Claw over Dragon tail, and Fire punch over Rock Slide. Gliscor does not sweep. It excels at supporting and stalling. It doesn't have the ideal movepool or speed. With that EV spread it definitely won't be sweeping. If you want offense run max attack and speed, Acrobatics, Earthquake, Knock Off and Swords Dance. Forretress is pretty good, but spikes over toxic spikes. Gastrodon doesn't sweep, but it can do big damage. Run Ice Beam, Scald, Earth Power and Recover. Life orb or Leftovers. Now Metagross on the over hand, can sweep. Give it the spread of max Hp and Max attack. Give it weakness policy with Meteor Mash, Zen Headbutt, Earthquake and Agility. Set up an agility while anticipating a super effective move and this man can do wonders. Sorry if my termonology was incorrect bro didn't mean to call them sweepers. I can't see much value in switching dragon tail, the main focus of this stratergy is to force the opponent to switch causing entry hazard damage so to remove this seems to remove one of the main selling points. And in terms of moves Im going for movesets which can currently be achievied in reborn as far as i'm aware ice beam can not be bred onto gastodon nor can scald ( i may be wrong) same with fire punch on flygon. Thanks for your feedback though i do like the moveset of metagross and switching swords dance on excadrill does make more sense as he has glass defenses and prob could only set up 1 swords dance if lucky. So, I'm going to guess this is for competitive, and this isn't the place for that, but regardless, if this is competitive, gastrodon can learn sandstorm as well, so you can replace muddy water with that. Then you can put an air balloon on excadrill and replace sandstorm with iron head. Also, it may not be the best idea to have your only spinner explode, so gyro ball would probably be a better choice for him. And you can probably ditch rock slide on Flygon for earthquake for a powerful stab move, especially because excadrill gets rock slide, and metagross gets ice punch. Gastrodon also gets Earthquake through TM, so you should replace mud bomb for that. And I personally prefer the poison stall gliscor with protect, sub, earthquake, and fling/toxic with toxic orb and poison heal. I was actually thinking maybe using this team in w/e gym battle I have a type advantage over. we all know amethyst likes to set up rapey field effects and movesets so this is my attempt at revenge I think your right in terms of movechoices however I'm trying to limit it to a setup I could achieve in reborn currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonikku Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Sorry if my termonology was incorrect bro didn't mean to call them sweepers. I can't see much value in switching dragon tail, the main focus of this stratergy is to force the opponent to switch causing entry hazard damage so to remove this seems to remove one of the main selling points. And in terms of moves Im going for movesets which can currently be achievied in reborn as far as i'm aware ice beam can not be bred onto gastodon nor can scald ( i may be wrong) same with fire punch on flygon. Thanks for your feedback though i do like the moveset of metagross and switching swords dance on excadrill does make more sense as he has glass defenses and prob could only set up 1 swords dance if lucky. QQ I didn't know this was for Reborn... you can breed ice beam and scald onto Gastrodon: Panpour with Scald>Empoleon>Remoraid with Ice Beam= Male Remoraid with Scald and Ice Beam. Then breed those moves onto a female Gastrodon. (Keep in mind to breed tm moves like this you need to do so on an episode pre Episode 13. If you need help finding these pokemon, check out Sky's guide > http://www.pokemonreborn.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6802 Please refrain from double posting, the edit button exists~ n_n Edited November 20, 2014 by Sonikku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Do we have another ground type fan? This does seem like a semi mono though. May want to consider a bit more diversity. Maybe a fire pokemon like Magmar or Emboar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltwater Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 yeah the idea is to use as many pokemon that get boosts from sandstorm so most of them are ground unfortuntely. I have been thinking about substituting someone and luckily I have a near perfect iv emboar that knows sucker punch and superpower so that is an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 All Rock types get +50% SpD in the sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltwater Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 yeah I know bro i was referring to the hidden abilities/abilities nearly all get extra boosts in sandstorm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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