Courtesy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Not so much cheating, but I do find it a bit of a pet peeve how advantaged in comparison to us they are sometimes. Like Gym 5 (badge 4)... That jerkbag has 2 pokemon with leftovers and super powerful berries on another. Then he's got 2 hyper potions he is totally willing to spam to achieve his victory as well. I only have 2 hyper potions myself, and I certainly don't have access to that berry, or the leftovers. I sort of feel with their field advantages that give them quite a bit of strength to work with already, the level of itemized advantage also given is a bit crazy at times. It makes for some tense, terrifying battles, but often it feels not like it's difficult, and more like it's in the realms of intense quantities of false difficulty. I would really love to see the AI improved at some point, because if they were more intelligient with what skills they use, and in what orders, the amount of item advantage given wouldn't be neccesary to shield them from their own stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damiano Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I think that depends more on you as the player. The only reason I can say that is because of your stream last night. You were using something of a stall team, which means you weren't hitting hard enough in most cases to counteract their healing. If not for your Kricketune I doubt you would've made it as far as you did, as soon as you did. Whereas an aggressive play style, like the one I use, doesn't have a problem with the small heals and by the time they use the big heals it's too late (I actually try to force the AI to use there heals on their first Pokemon which usually isn't their ace) and I can already beat them. Now the field effects are another story, especially in the early game where the players options for teams are limited. The field will almost certainly have their way with you (looking at you burning field!). Countering those can be a lot less easy unless you study the field effects (which I will never do). However in most cases (glaring at you burning field!!) it's far from impossible. Fights like Arceus are false difficulty in my opinion. But still beatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickCrash Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Gym battles are supposed to be hard, but not impossible. Even Noel, who had a field that could be easily broken and used against him was nerfed because his team was considered to exceed the point of difficulty this game wants. In fights like Solaris, you are supposed to lose, so the false difficulty is there just to amuze the player. By the time you reach Arceus you can have multiple Aces up your sleeve. Same with Mew2. It is not a walk in the park. It's not supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaaz Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 B-But Noel was not hard :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtesy Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I think that depends more on you as the player. The only reason I can say that is because of your stream last night. You were using something of a stall team, which means you weren't hitting hard enough in most cases to counteract their healing. If not for your Kricketune I doubt you would've made it as far as you did, as soon as you did. Whereas an aggressive play style, like the one I use, doesn't have a problem with the small heals and by the time they use the big heals it's too late (I actually try to force the AI to use there heals on their first Pokemon which usually isn't their ace) and I can already beat them. Now the field effects are another story, especially in the early game where the players options for teams are limited. The field will almost certainly have their way with you (looking at you burning field!). Countering those can be a lot less easy unless you study the field effects (which I will never do). However in most cases (glaring at you burning field!!) it's far from impossible. Fights like Arceus are false difficulty in my opinion. But still beatable. Jah, it's a stall team! I felt running a super agressive attack nuking team would have been a little too easy because of how unfunctional AI tends to be in pokemon games (spamming electric moves when I have volt absorb?). I'm not sure if you saw the grass gym, but I adore the burning field... I'm sure going to love going up against a gym that turns that one against me. I hope I have access to surf or another field destroyer by then, because if a Gym uses it as their field, they will surely be immune to it, thusforth Vulpix won't be soloing the gym while laughing. I'm totally looking forward to how this develops as I move on. I just think the game is overly punishing on certain play styles due to the vastly superior access to functional healing of the AI. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Jah, it's a stall team! I felt running a super agressive attack nuking team would have been a little too easy because of how unfunctional AI tends to be in pokemon games (spamming electric moves when I have volt absorb?). I'm not sure if you saw the grass gym, but I adore the burning field... I'm sure going to love going up against a gym that turns that one against me. I hope I have access to surf or another field destroyer by then, because if a Gym uses it as their field, they will surely be immune to it, thusforth Vulpix won't be soloing the gym while laughing. I'm totally looking forward to how this develops as I move on. I just think the game is overly punishing on certain play styles due to the vastly superior access to functional healing of the AI. Cheers! Good luck trying to destroy Charlotte's field because... Yeah I will let you find out xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zexal Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) which gym leader is charlotte ? the fire gym leader isnt it ? using moves like rain dance or the water pledge will turn her superheated field into the rianbow field and turn her advantage against her Edited January 15, 2015 by Dr. Zexal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtesy Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If it's just a superheat and not actually a burning, then yeah, I totally got her covered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 which gym leader is charlotte ? the fire gym leader isnt it ? using moves like rain dance or the water pledge will turn her superheated field into the rianbow field and turn her advantage against her Not really. That strategy used to work... but she doesn't lead with a Ninetales anymore - so the only way the field can be removed is via Blizzard or Glaciate (well until her Ninetales shows up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight_Teutonic Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 In fact Typhlosion does not learn energy ball. But if I was ame I would instead teach him solarbeam. It's more powerful and thanks to Charlotte's ninetails, it doesn't need to load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Charlotte doesn't lead with a Ninetales anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Why are we beating a dead horse? These kinds of things happen and they should be expected. Every enemy trainer past ~4 badges has to have custom movesets for their Pokemon. It's easy to forget that a Pokemon doesn't learn a certain coverage move when it learns a different but similar coverage move. We're doing a service by pointing out these mistakes so that they will be fixed, but we're doing a disservice by using them as evidence that the game is cheating. Edited January 15, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted January 16, 2015 Administrators Share Posted January 16, 2015 I dont know why Ame dont use bulbapedia or other pokemon wiki for move set...you have there all moves by levels I do. I'm just bad. In Typhlosion's case I was changing moves from removing her early-battle drought and like well we dont want solar beam anymore energy ball it is!!!111 These kinds of things happen and they should be expected. Every enemy trainer past ~4 badges has to have custom movesets for their Pokemon. It's easy to forget that a Pokemon doesn't learn a certain coverage move when it learns a different but similar coverage move. We're doing a service by pointing out these mistakes so that they will be fixed, but we're doing a disservice by using them as evidence that the game is cheating. Thank I mean really if I'm going to accept anything as deliberate cheating it's PULSE forms and field effects because that's the stuff that's deliberately not canon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerTyphlosion Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Charlotte was really easy for me. I had ninetales with drought and typhlosion with flash fire. My ninetales had quick claw so i had hit my own typhlosion with a fire move to increase its fire attack. So sun boost+stab+flashfire Boost+ field boost and when using eruption it also triggered the field somehow. Well everyone just died from eruption and I didn't get a single scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostelle Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You could always catch a Spheal in the nearby ice cave and teach it Rain Dance. I'm pretty sure it has Blizzard when you catch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hubbleday23 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Nice thought just noticed Gothitelle gets dark pulse on http://pokemondb.net/pokedex/gothitelle but not in reborn, also competive dosen't activate against intimidate, just a thought. I also noticed that field effects and battle items have been addressed (which can be countered if you have save files from ep. 12 and below from dept store). But nobody has addressed, the issue of over lv pokemon used by the ai, which has made an appearance multiple times. Eg. Luna has lv 70 Umberoen when the player lv cap is 65 Charlotte has lv 74 Ninetails when the player lv cap is 70 I am sure there are more examples, but with the lv advantage, field advantage and item advantage, thats some insane difficulty. Especially for people ether having to restart or just starting from ep. 13 onwards for one reason, or another, because they cant get battle items other than the weak ones from mine rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Nice thought just noticed Gothitelle gets dark pulse on http://pokemondb.net/pokedex/gothitelle but not in reborn, also competive dosen't activate against intimidate, just a thought. I also noticed that field effects and battle items have been addressed (which can be countered if you have save files from ep. 12 and below from dept store). But nobody has addressed, the issue of over lv pokemon used by the ai, which has made an appearance multiple times. Eg. Luna has lv 70 Umberoen when the player lv cap is 65 Charlotte has lv 74 Ninetails when the player lv cap is 70 I am sure there are more examples, but with the lv advantage, field advantage and item advantage, thats some insane difficulty. Especially for people ether having to restart or just starting from ep. 13 onwards for one reason, or another, because they cant get battle items other than the weak ones from mine rocks. The level advantage issue has been addressed previously. Personally, I don't mind this at all because by the time we face Luna, we are given a wide variety of Pokemon to use (including some very good ones) - so I don't think its that much of a big deal for them to have one overlevelled Pokemon. ...and I knew Gothitelle could learn Dark Pulse! I was wondering about that problem myself too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaaz Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The overlevel is what we want from the game, we start the game b/c it's difficult/hard not for fun if you can't handle it there is no point to play this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhanush D Bhatt Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 But really the overlevels are not toooo much of a problem. Even the abra didn't really give me much of a trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaaz Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 That's true As of episode 12 I always level up my pokemon until the level cap and I play the next ep on the limit and over. It's fun when they ignore me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickCrash Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Well, technically speaking, the gym leaders already have the badge so they can go up to 5 levels over your level cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laggless01 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Well, technically speaking, the gym leaders already have the badge so they can go up to 5 levels over your level cap. Nick, don't give Ame any ideas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazmat Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Nick, don't give Ame any ideas... She already does this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Well, technically speaking, the gym leaders already have the badge so they can go up to 5 levels over your level cap. Then why won't Terra's badge let me train up to Level 78? :c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laggless01 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) She already does this. I meant for all the leader's pokemon. That would be harsh. Edited January 19, 2015 by laggless01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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