Stalkerkain Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 So... I decided to come back to Reborn. However, I stopped playing after the... psychic... gym? (because i had to wait for new content). But I understand there have been large changes since I last left (6th gen and field effects). Considering I am unfamiliar with 6th gen and field effects (I stopped playing actual pokemon after black and white), would it be wise to restart and familiarize myself with the new changes? Or continue through with my old save file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Tack Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 To be quite honest i'd say restart in your case, there were many changes made to the game in earlier parts , along with movements and event removals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaaz Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Vote for restart Get Froakie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalkerkain Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 Haha. Thanks for the quick replies. I suppose restarting would be for the best (goodbye current team QQ) As for starters, I tend to lean towards Torchic/Turtwig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaaz Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 You want to learn about Gen 6 so get Protean Froakie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostelle Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Protean Froakie is a good way to start Gen 6 because it's broken.. if you can deal with waiting for a good water move until after the 8th gym I think, then go for Froakie. (Unless you breed, ofc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laggless01 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I agree. Rename your old save file, and start from scratch with a protean froakie. Tip: keep lick for the first gym, you'll understand then... You can also get noibat early (which is 6th gen), but I don't recommend it. You can try, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Froakie is honestly a pretty mediocre starter Pokemon in this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laggless01 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Froakie is honestly a pretty mediocre starter Pokemon in this game. I know (I had one in my 2nd run, it's move pool by leveling up isn't fantastic), but if you want to get familiar with gen6, it's probably the best of the three due to it's ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) How is using Froakie any more useful than using either of the other starters when it comes to familiarizing oneself with gen 6? It's just one Pokemon. Both of the other options are very solid in-game; Fennekin has good dual STABs and good defensive options in WoW and Light Screen and Chespin has Leech Seed and Bulk Up. The best part about both of them is that neither has to be bred and taught moves not obtainable until the halfway point in the game in order to be "broken" (Froakie cannot even learn Ice Beam anymore without reverting to old mechanics). Froakie is so overrated; people see how good it is in competitive play and are charmed by Protean, but they conveniently forget that it's pretty bad for the first 8 badges of the game or so. I see this commonly here - everyone cares about the final destination, no one cares about the journey to get there. Edited January 18, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostelle Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 How is using Froakie any more useful than using either of the other starters when it comes to familiarizing oneself with gen 6? It's just one Pokemon. Both of the other options are very solid in-game; Fennekin has good dual STABs and good defensive options in WoW and Light Screen and Chespin has Leech Seed and Bulk Up. The best part about both of them is that neither has to be bred and taught moves not obtainable until the halfway point in the game in order to be "broken" (Froakie cannot even learn Ice Beam anymore without reverting to old mechanics). Froakie is so overrated; people see how good it is in competitive play and are charmed by Protean, but they conveniently forget that it's pretty bad for the first 8 badges of the game or so. I see this commonly here - everyone cares about the final destination, no one cares about the journey to get there. It's broken if used correctly.. I mean I had a great nature + IV's and I stepped on half the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Saying that something is broken with the caveat of "if used correctly" is directly at odds with the definition of "broken," lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickCrash Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Fennekin is a better choice as starter in terms of moves learned via level-up. You should also try the Espurr that's given to you instead of Ralts now. Edited January 19, 2015 by nickcrash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Fennekin is a better choice as starter in terms of moves learned via level-up. You should also try the Espurr that's given to you instead of Ralts now. Yes, but after getting a few of the good TM moves Froakie completely overshadows Fennekin. Also there is no point in using Espurr if you start with Fennekin. Just don't use Espurr period, it's good early game but very bad late game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Yes, but after getting a few of the good TM moves Froakie completely overshadows Fennekin. None of which are available at the moment. Ice Beam is still missing, Dark Pulse is widely considered to not be a good choice on Greninja, and Delphox can also learn Grass Knot. Greninja is purely offensive but Delphox has solid offensive stats and good defensive moves. Delphox has considerably more spatk and Greninja's spd advantage largely doesn't matter because it's in-game, while Delphox gets both Light Screen and Will-o-Wisp by level up as excellent support options. This is ignoring Fennekin's great earlygame with type advantages against crucial gyms and recurrent rival battles. Edited January 19, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight_Teutonic Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 None of which are available at the moment. Ice Beam is still missing, Dark Pulse is widely considered to not be a good choice on Greninja, and Delphox can also learn Grass Knot. Greninja is purely offensive but Delphox has solid offensive stats and good defensive moves. Delphox has considerably more spatk and Greninja's spd advantage largely doesn't matter because it's in-game, while Delphox gets both Light Screen and Will-o-Wisp by level up as excellent support options. This is ignoring Fennekin's great earlygame with type advantages against crucial gyms and recurrent rival battles. I second this. Aside from the fact that Fennekin is able to destroy Victoria, Cain, Bennett and Fern all by itself, there are also plenty of very good water types available in-game, such as Azumarill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Azumarill is going to be banished in the next episode. That's unfortunate, it's really fun to play with. Edited January 19, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight_Teutonic Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Azumarill is going to be banished in the next episode. That's unfortunate, it's really fun to play with. Oh my god. In that case I will make sure to secure the azurill immediately. You ain't taking it from me, Ame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostelle Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Azumarill is going to be banished in the next episode. That's unfortunate, it's really fun to play with. It's being removed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It's being removed? It's event is probably going to be replaced with another Pokemon - because Azumarill is pretty OP right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesish Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It's event is probably going to be replaced with another Pokemon - because Azumarill is pretty OP right now Right now? It was OP way before I got mine (Ep 9). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Right now? It was OP way before I got mine (Ep 9). Well... its probably more OP now because it learns Play Rough at Level 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Bloomin' oath double edge basically got swapped with play rough. Yepperty yep get rid of that thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaaz Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 A good Greninja can run more moves besides Ice Beam If u are lockin' yourself on one only move the problem is urs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laggless01 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) I only said it was probably the better of the three, because I looked at it in the (very) long run, perhaps. I can understand that fennekin has some good moves, certainly by level-up, and chespin gets some very helpful type advantages from the beginning. I will not disagree with that.Personally, I used the ability of froakie and it's evolutionary line mostly defensive to get just enough damage off while taking a soft hit, to then delivering the KO-blow.Sure, it doesn't get very strong moves by leveling, but the ones I had were (almost) always enough to severely dent my opponent (except garchomp...).Also, chespin can be gotten by event, and there are other strong psychic-types you encounter. But good water-types are rather scarce (except azumarill, for now). So I also based my choice on what you get during the game. Edited January 19, 2015 by laggless01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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