Theory for a Mega Ledian

[ty_taurus]

This is a theory threat, just wanting to see if anyone likes my idea.

So as it stands Ledian is one of the most pitiful Pokemon with terrible typing, below average stats in all the wrong places, a confused moveset given its types and stats, and abilities that don't compliment Ledian's existing options.

Ledian is my unfortunate favorite Pokemon. I say "unfortunate" because it's just sad how much the developers trolled the poor ladybug. As it stands, a mega evolution is the most likely savior Ledian can hope for.

Here is what I've worked up:

Mega Ledian

Bug/Fairy

Ability: Huge Power

Current stat / New stat

HP: 55 / 55

Attack: 35 / 75

Defense: 50 / 70

Sp Attack: 55 / 45

Sp Defense : 110 / 130

Speed : 85 / 115

Total: 395 / 495

Why Fairy? The pokedex entires throughout the series describe Ledian as being "powered by starlight" and how the circles on its back grow when the stars are out. It also scatters glowing powder in the night sky. Goodness knows Ledian needs to rid itself of the horrible typing, and bug certainly isn't going anywhere so flying needs to be replaced, and Fairy makes the most sense with the star-based info, similar to Clefairy's and Clefable's affiliation with the moon.

It's appearance wouldn't change much, the circles on its back and head should change to stars and glow as glittering powder falls from under its wings.

I'd like to add that the opportunity for more mega evolutions would come with a new generation of Pokemon and likely some new moves added to the move pool. I'd like to think that we might see some new fairy moves added to the game and in a universe where this mega evolution happens, there is also a chance for a fairy move that would look something like this:

Starlight Punch (Fairy-Type, Pow:75, Acc:100 -This move has a 20% chance to flinch the target)

It would be a nifty STAB move that makes sense on Ledian to learn by level, or possibly some other new fairy physical move. Just shooting off an assumption.

*EDIT* Points have been made that I've been underestimating what happens when you start multiplying 35 as a base power so I figured I'd come back and renovate the idea to something less outlandish. The ability is changed to Huge Power and stats have been rearranged to compliment this.

Edited January 29, 2015 by ty_taurus

[Damiano]

...Why did you pick Ledian of all pokemon? Anyway, I'm not a specialist on stats or competitive game play either but it sounds fine. And since it's a mega there's no threat of kings rock. So I suppose its fine, an alternate to Cincinno without the (super annoying) flinch business.

[ty_taurus]

...Why did you pick Ledian of all pokemon? Anyway, I'm not a specialist on stats or competitive game play either but it sounds fine. And since it's a mega there's no threat of kings rock. So I suppose its fine, an alternate to Cincinno without the (super annoying) flinch business.

Hmm, I guess because Ledian's a pretty big underdog and I generally like Pokemon and Characters from other games that aren't naturally the best of the best. Maybe its the hipster in my but I tend to really like the lower tier characters of games... Other favorites of mine include Furret, Girafarig, Leafeon, Togetic (But not really Togekiss) and I've loved Mawile from before her mega evolution. The only really strong ones I like a lot are Latias and Whimsicott

[Sonikku]

I'd said its typing defensively is horrid,=, but with the combination of power-up punch and Starlight Punch, it can be the destroyer of weaker targets like Lucario, the Latis, weavile, etc. The trade off with the half activations rate of secondary effects, and the ability to hit 4 times is extremely unbalanced. Sheer Force is somewhat balanced because Secondary Effects are nullified.

I'd say it'd fall in RU/UU.

[ty_taurus]

I'd said its typing defensively is horrid,=, but with the combination of power-up punch and Starlight Punch, it can be the destroyer of weaker targets like Lucario, the Latis, weavile, etc. The trade off with the half activations rate of secondary effects, and the ability to hit 4 times is extremely unbalanced. Sheer Force is somewhat balanced because Secondary Effects are nullified.

I'd say it'd fall in RU/UU.

Hmm, Power-Up punch would be a problem. I'd say just exclude it along with Comet Punch. I like the option of having secondary effects still present, and I also think trying to exclude boosts specifically would be a little too complicated.

[Guzam]

Wynaut give this thing Iron Fist? It learns a crap ton of punch moves anyway. And if there are some punch moves it doesn't get, oh well, move tutors of the future could help idk. Ledian has the potential to be dangerous, but not with attacking imo. It needs a type that can help it beat Stealth Rocks like Magic Guard. Thats one of the biggest problems bug types have. Give it an ability that stops it from taking stealth rock damage and we good. Also make it Bulky as hell. Ledian is there to be a bulky bug type, kind of like a better gen 2 bug type tank. Scizor Forretress. Forretress has amazing typing, Rapid Spin, steel type for less stealth rock damage, and hazards for days. If you ask me, I think Forretress is more deserving of a mega than Ledian.

[Raindrop Valkyrie]

One reason this ability will never be implemented, Focus Punch... It just breaks the way it would work, and it will always count as a Punch Move. Also, there is no way in heck something is getting something that allows it to hit more times than Mega-Kenga at FULL damage. Mega Keng's second hit only does half damage.

Basically, when creating a mega for a pokemon one should keep to things that actually exist in the game already instead of giving it new things. It is kinda poor form to do otherwise. ((because making up stuff means I could make up whatever I want, like bam, this pokemon now has a Rock-Type Giga Drain cause I say so... it is just... it shouldn't be done. It is quite a clear, I want to cheat the system and make my own rules kinda play. Besides, working within the lines gives actual context and a way to judge a Mon's strength since you can;t have any idea how something that doesn't exist will effect things. making new Mega's doesn't count in this category though.))

[zimvader42]

I like ledian's design (not the abomination that is ledyba, bu ledian is pretty cool), but honestly If I were to make a mega for this thing, I'd make it a bug/fighting. Sure it still has a 4x weakness (flying instead of rock), but at least it would not lose half HP if switched into stealth rock. And its subsequently added new weaknesses, psychic and fairy, I think would be at least somewhat endured if this thing got a huge boost on its already decent spdef stat.

What confuses me about ledian is why does it have a puny 35 base attack??! when I first saw this thing I thought it was another bug/fighting like heracross, with a huge attack stat, but it comes it can't even have that. I'd put +30 in attack for this thing, and +40 in both speed and spdef, nerf its spattack by -10 and give it huge power. I know its spattack is higher than its attack, but I cannot look at this thing and see a special attacker, like no way, I cannot relate it to its design. With a now 35+30 attack plus huge power, plus speed and spef, I intend it to be like a bug type azumarill. Give it a deeper, physical-centered movepool, with things like x-scissor, super power, bullet punch, etc. and that's about it, what I would like ledian to have as for a mega. Well that or a regular bug/fighring evo.

[Qaaz]

What about give it a evolution like all those who get one on Gen 4 and a Mega after that?

[ty_taurus]

One reason this ability will never be implemented, Focus Punch... It just breaks the way it would work, and it will always count as a Punch Move. Also, there is no way in heck something is getting something that allows it to hit more times than Mega-Kenga at FULL damage. Mega Keng's second hit only does half damage.

Basically, when creating a mega for a pokemon one should keep to things that actually exist in the game already instead of giving it new things. It is kinda poor form to do otherwise. ((because making up stuff means I could make up whatever I want, like bam, this pokemon now has a Rock-Type Giga Drain cause I say so... it is just... it shouldn't be done. It is quite a clear, I want to cheat the system and make my own rules kinda play. Besides, working within the lines gives actual context and a way to judge a Mon's strength since you can;t have any idea how something that doesn't exist will effect things. making new Mega's doesn't count in this category though.))

I get your point, but I am thinking about the next generation. I'm 95% sure there will be more fairy attacks implemented since there are very few as it stands. Its not necessary, Ice Punch and Thunder Punch already have bolt beam coverage, I just thought it would be nice to have a stab move.

Focus Punch is another good point, I guess a better way to program it would be for it to affect only attacks with 75 base power. This would also exclude dizzy punch, dynamic punch, and mach punch in that event.

Would 4 attacks really be that strong on a Pokemon with a base attack of 35? I mean Jigglypuff, Pichu, and even Flabebe hit harder than it.

[ej190]

You are completely wrong when you say that this ledian isn't broken. Mega mawile has 678 as the maximum possible attack stat(factoring nature) where as mega ledian can have 740 attack stat when using punch moves. And this is without taking its absurd speed and niche punch moves into consideration.

Just lower its special attack to 5, raise its attack to 85 and give it huge power, no need for crazy abilities.

[Guzam]

Do not read ahead if you do not like Terra or any of that crap she does in general.

We need Balance. OPEN THE DOOR! GET ON THE FLOOR! EVERYBODY WALK THE DINOSAUR!!!

AIGHT M80's This her b mah tootoreall on mayking a Mega Evoloosion.

Step uno. Balance.

Oh Snap diggy-dougs, R U Feeling it yet Mr. Krabbies? Cuz we got sum gud sheet up N here. Yu haz 2 know when 2 let it go! Don't drop To teh floor A stat too greatly. Seriously it isn't entirely necessary. When thinking abilities, you have to kno wat iz Br0k333333zzz-z-z-z-z N wat isn't, git wut I'm saiyan? *nudge nudge wink wink ;]* Fatty Kangaroo wannabee got shot up on OU for being, "Too Stronk, Swaggy af, Wow!" It's ability is an exclusive one for a reason. Same with Greninjas and Aegislash's. You can't just make OP abilities, or no one will like what you're bargaining at.

step too. The pokemon itself.

This is Where ppl mess up. They B trippin on baaaad nostalgia shet and get caught up in what they're making. Think of it from how the pokeman fites. Is it a physical striker? A Special Sweeper? A Bulky Ass Monster like this guide Hell yeaaa you know this guide is that good sheeeeeet ;]. Take Arbok for instance. Hes a weakling. Clearly not fit for Wii Fit. Tho I has a solution. It has a weird special movepool, but don't let that get you. Arbok's true potential lies in physical attack, And being a badass, but whatever He has a crippling weakness to psychic. How to balance? Dark type. His lackluster stats mean he can't take too many psychic hits, so give him a type that helps him. Next his ability. Arbok isn't known for taking hits, Neither is Gengar, but he's still a beast This is why he has intimidate. To weaken physical moves. So buff his sp. def, give him intimidate as both abilities (Normal and mega) and call it a day by adding the rest into speed and attack. You suddenly have a monster.

Step tres. Terra has rubbed off on me, halp QQ

*Ahem*

All better. OK so for tl;dr or jus not wanting to read that hellhole, you need to know how to balance out certain things and what the pokemon is good at. In this case, Ledian is good as a special wall and has great physical capabilities, but lackluster stats. How do you fix it? Either make it a tank like Sableye, or find a way to give it better attack and speed. Find out its weaknesses and find out how to counter them.

Also plz don't kill me for the monstrosity above kthxbai~

[Lostelle]

I'd said its typing defensively is horrid,=, but with the combination of power-up punch and Starlight Punch, it can be the destroyer of weaker targets like Lucario, the Latis, weavile, etc. The trade off with the half activations rate of secondary effects, and the ability to hit 4 times is extremely unbalanced. Sheer Force is somewhat balanced because Secondary Effects are nullified.

I'd say it'd fall in RU/UU.

Maybe not even, Sceptile-m is RU & Camerupt-m is NU, that thing is definitely not gonna get that high even considering there are some good ass walls in RU / NU

[Tomas Elliot]

Well I am late to the party so I don't know how this idea originally looked like (it would seem it sparked quite a bit of discussion tho...), but the final result looks quite solid to me. It would still be prevented from being broken by the fact that it needs to switch in in order to Mega Evolve, meaning it would still be at risk of losing 50% health to SR upon first switching in... And Bug/Fairy is actually an interesting combination. While I do agree with Hukuna on the "let's not make up abilities/moves when creating a new Pokemon/Mega" bit (and thus I am not going to comment on the new move), the Pokemon itself seems to be reasonably well thought out. I just wish Game Freak would handle Mega Evolutions the way you did here: making forgotten mons viable (and "viable" doesn't mean "from zeroes to game-defining powerhouses", mind you). The way they have handled it so far is making me hate the mechanic...

[Omega_Ra1der]

Just give it iron fist=op

[Sonikku]

Maybe not even, Sceptile-m is RU & Camerupt-m is NU, that thing is definitely not gonna get that high even considering there are some good ass walls in RU / NU

This is just my assumption. Sceptile is going to move through the tiers, it's not staying RU. Sceptile is a very tactical pokemon, and Camerupt may move to RU, due to it's massive offensive power and bulk. If you claim Ledian won't get very far in the tiers, why don't you explain why? Ledian is half broken with this ability. Low attack somewhat balances it.

[NickCrash]

Pyrrhon your text definitely caused me to lose some millions of nerve cells.........rawr? owo

Welcome to... Pimp my Ledian!!!

Alright let's take Ledian more seriously. It currently stands at 55HP, 35Atk, 50Def, 55SpA, 110SpD, 85Spe

I like that SpD, but I hate that 55HP, so no defendo amigo. Also, our little useless friend can have Iron Fist.

Too bad he sucks. But that's why we're here, right?

Ledian's Bug/Flying type is not horrible. I mean, look at M-Pinsir. LOOK AT HIM!! Ok, now you know where we're aiming.

Sadly we can't touch HP, so it remains 55. Just give it some EVs so you can use this piece of trash this wonderful fellow.

First of all, we have to change your type. You learn so many fighting type moves, it's a shame if we make you a silly fairy.

So rise once again a Bug/Fighting behemoth. Time to change your stats sir Ledian. Brace yourselves.

Whoa! D-don't worry, but your attack stat is... how do I say this without hurting you... well it's awful.

Sadly if I don't give you Huge Power, I'll have to spend almost everything there, so yeah, take your steroids Huge Power.

You were fast back then, but now there are many things to be afraid of. Remember that bully from Insecto High?

Well yes, Heracross got a mega. Don't worry, he got fat and slow. You can outspeed it, yes even you can outspeed it now.

I am a merciful god though, so I'll give you some more speed. Is 10 enough? NO!? How about 20? Final offer: 30. Done.

Ok now you spent 30 precious points to speed, accumulating to 115. Happy? You shouldn't be. You have nothing to threaten them.

Luckily for you, I'm still here and have another 70 points to award. You know, let's make them 85. Why? F*ck you, that's why.

I took 15 points from your already useless spA. You don't really have something I can work with.

Let's give them straight to your SpD. It went to 125 now and we still have 70 points to use. Lol your Atk is still worse than your SpA.

Don't worry though, we can fix almost anything. Well, except your broken heart and pride, that is.

Alrighty then. Now the big deal comes. No, I'm not going to give you a boost like M-Medicham. I'm going to boost your defense.

40 Points should do it. That takes you to 90Def and the rest to Atk which means that with Huge Power, you reach... 130.

Not bad for a loser like you. So, your new stats are: 55HP, 65Atk, 90Def, 40SpA, 125SpD, 115Spe

Oh yes, I'm so good. I might even see you in OU like this.

[ty_taurus]

Pyrrhon your text definitely caused me to lose some millions of nerve cells.........rawr? owo

Welcome to... Pimp my Ledian!!!

Alright let's take Ledian more seriously. It currently stands at 55HP, 35Atk, 50Def, 55SpA, 110SpD, 85Spe

I like that SpD, but I hate that 55HP, so no defendo amigo. Also, our little useless friend can have Iron Fist.

Too bad he sucks. But that's why we're here, right?

Ledian's Bug/Flying type is not horrible. I mean, look at M-Pinsir. LOOK AT HIM!! Ok, now you know where we're aiming.

Sadly we can't touch HP, so it remains 55. Just give it some EVs so you can use this piece of trash this wonderful fellow.

First of all, we have to change your type. You learn so many fighting type moves, it's a shame if we make you a silly fairy.

So rise once again a Bug/Fighting behemoth. Time to change your stats sir Ledian. Brace yourselves.

Whoa! D-don't worry, but your attack stat is... how do I say this without hurting you... well it's awful.

Sadly if I don't give you Huge Power, I'll have to spend almost everything there, so yeah, take your steroids Huge Power.

You were fast back then, but now there are many things to be afraid of. Remember that bully from Insecto High?

Well yes, Heracross got a mega. Don't worry, he got fat and slow. You can outspeed it, yes even you can outspeed it now.

I am a merciful god though, so I'll give you some more speed. Is 10 enough? NO!? How about 20? Final offer: 30. Done.

Ok now you spent 30 precious points to speed, accumulating to 115. Happy? You shouldn't be. You have nothing to threaten them.

Luckily for you, I'm still here and have another 70 points to award. You know, let's make them 85. Why? F*ck you, that's why.

I took 15 points from your already useless spA. You don't really have something I can work with.

Let's give them straight to your SpD. It went to 125 now and we still have 70 points to use. Lol your Atk is still worse than your SpA.

Don't worry though, we can fix almost anything. Well, except your broken heart and pride, that is.

Alrighty then. Now the big deal comes. No, I'm not going to give you a boost like M-Medicham. I'm going to boost your defense.

40 Points should do it. That takes you to 90Def and the rest to Atk which means that with Huge Power, you reach... 130.

Not bad for a loser like you. So, your new stats are: 55HP, 65Atk, 90Def, 40SpA, 125SpD, 115Spe

Oh yes, I'm so good. I might even see you in OU like this.

The reason I went for Bug/Fairy instead of a more obvious Bug/Fighting is that once you add a second Bug/Fighting type, you're immediately in competition with Heracross who also has a Mega Evolution. Taking that into account, Ledian's biggest differences are its new and faster speed and its option to stay focused on being a support with baton pass and duel screens (not like you can use a light clay though). Otherwise Ledian's drastically outdone in HP, Defense, and Attack. It's not like Heracross is thirsty for coverage when it has Megahorn, Stone Edge, Earthquake, and Close Combat. Keep in mind Heracross is still a powerhouse without its mega evolution, and you can give it more options with other items as well.

With Fairy, Ledian would have different defenses, counter, and an opportunity to gain a Fairy move or two in a future game. It wouldn't be looked at as an inferior Heracross.

Edited January 30, 2015 by ty_taurus

[Sylvan Nephilim]

How I would do Mega Ledian

Ledian has 4 arms and 2 feet.

Mega Ledian gets a new ability called Deva's Wrath. Every move Mega Ledian makes hits 6 times. First attack at 100% power. Then at 83.3%, 66.6%, 50%, 33.3% and sixth attack at 16.6% power. So Ledian's attack and special attack are increased 350%. Assuming a modest boost of 20 points to Ledian's attack and special attack, Medga Ledian's attack and special attack effectively changes from base 55 and 75 to base 225 and base 300, respectively.

[NickCrash]

@Taurus, it is true that Ledian would be frowned upon, however, it was a more comedic approach if you like. It's not like we don't have 2 megas that are Dark/Water already. You can say that they are different, and the same would apply to ledian an heracross. The set you mentioned is for normal Heracross, which takes Moxie into account and tries to work around that, whereas M-Hera is completely different, as it gets Skill Link and as such its movepool is now : Arm Thrust/Close Combat, Bullet Seed, Rock Throw and Pin Missile (or something else, because this one sucks). Anyway, what we know for sure is that in future releases, more pokemon will get fairy moves, as now we have way too few. I don't know if it's going to be a punch, even though I like the move just as you suggested it, but there will be more.

@Rumble, for the same reason we could make Machamp, Medicham and Tentacruel have the same ability. It's over the top, this one, as you can see that Kangaskhan got a Parental Bond (essentially a choice band) and hits twice and the second hit is half the power. How could we give the measly bug something that hits with 3.5X the original power? That's even higher than the Sniper+Critical Hit combo (only at 2.25). Not trying to limit your imagination or anything, but the way I see it, it's best not to come up with new abilities that are overpowered.

[Sylvan Nephilim]

The goal is to get Ledian into Anything Goes. Anything less is unacceptable.