Jacobliterator Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 What are your thoughts on Team Meteor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon-in-night Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Environment version of PETA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helia Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 meh. They have their reasons to do what they do, and I have mine to stop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monochrome_Complex Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Better than team flare that's for sure. Ugh worst team ever. Simon was pretty legit in that I actually had a bit of sympathy for him. Sirius is weird though, like at first he seems(and looks) like the big boss but then he isn't and I feel like his character gets a bit overshadowed by the other admins/leaders. -Solaris is established as incredibly ruthless and perhaps the most evil character so far through his actions on mt Pyrous. -ZEL is rather unique being 3 people in one each with their own personality -Lin's appearance is brief, but shows her as being very mysterious in her connection with the other characters and how inhumanly cold she is. I think her and florinia have some history together. -El is a delusional, manipulative zealot -Taka is rather affable and probably the least evil of Meteor. -Blake and Fern are massive jerks But Siruis so far isn't too distinct character wise and feels like the typical subservient evil underling. His design rocks but he doesn't quite live up to how I initially imagined him from his debut. But maybe that's the point and he might end up betraying everyone else or something as far as I know(him or Taka). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Better than team flare that's for sure. Ugh worst team ever. Simon was pretty legit in that I actually had a bit of sympathy for him. Sirius is weird though, like at first he seems(and looks) like the big boss but then he isn't and I feel like his character gets a bit overshadowed by the other admins/leaders. -Solaris is established as incredibly ruthless and perhaps the most evil character so far through his actions on mt Pyrous. -ZEL is rather unique being 3 people in one each with their own personality -Lin's appearance is brief, but shows her as being very mysterious in her connection with the other characters and how inhumanly cold she is. I think her and florinia have some history together. -El is a delusional, manipulative zealot -Taka is rather affable and probably the least evil of Meteor. -Blake and Fern are massive jerks But Siruis so far isn't too distinct character wise and feels like the typical subservient evil underling. His design rocks but he doesn't quite live up to how I initially imagined him from his debut. But maybe that's the point and he might end up betraying everyone else or something as far as I know(him or Taka). Yeah I'm curious as to how the story between Lin and Laura unfolds too (I think you mean her and not Florinia... unless I missed something). Sirius is actually... pretty intimidating himself. He also technically 'killed' someone with his Chandelure (although I guess his method of killing was not as gruesome as Solaris but still...) and if you have access to the Silver Card, you can find that Sirius killed Corey's wife/Heather's mom.... I think? He's at least connected to her death. So yeah, I can see Taka attempting to betray the team (if he does, please don't let Solaris execute him...) but definitely not Sirius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Drakyle Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Xiri, if Taka did betray Team Meteor and Solaris decidced to kill him then we would know how damn well evil he really is considering there would seem to be no limits to who he would go out his way to kill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kithros Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I don't actually get the impression that Solaris is some ultimate evil or somesuch that other people seem to think he is - to me it feels more like a case of combining the 'do whatever it takes' mentality with some very questionable logical assumptions (the whole 'rebuild the world from the start' notion might sound nice and all, but he has absolutely no reason to actually think the world would end up any better the 2nd time even if he succeeded for instance, not to mention all the consequences of what he does if it turns out he's wrong about just about anything). Ruthless perhaps, but that's a bit different from actually being evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonicEevee Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 they are nuts. they don't care what they have to do to achieve their goal, even if it means killing their owning members. and if they find a snitch or a member betraying or leaving them, off with their head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBD Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I like Solaris the most on this team This is one my favorite sentence from him "If they're miserable,they'll leave.If their homes are destroyed by plants,they have no where to live.If the water is poisoned,they die." I was like stun by this best sentence from the mouth of the villain Edited March 12, 2015 by BBD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swordsman Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) So far in general Team Meteor seems to me to be a smarter and better written Team Galactic expy when it comes to their goals but also with added goal to become gods themselves while remaking the world, and so as long as they stay in Team Meator none of the grunts or members will get any sympathy from me. As for individual members, Solaris: So far he seems to be the most ruthless and evil team member and if not the leader seems to be the dragon, kinda fitting since he uses dragon pokemon. Needs to die in a fire. ZEL: At first I thought xe had split personalty disorder but the more I interact with them the more I get the feeling that its more complicated and darker than that. Lin: Haven't met her yet. El: Haven't met him yet either but from what I read he seems to be a crazy cultist, however he was healed by Arceus and apparently wants to serve him. So I don't really know why he is in Team Meteor. He is probably the only redeemable character besides Taka. Taka: Taka is nice, seems to not even agree with Team Meteor methods or motives and saved me from a trap. He appears to only be in Team Meteor out of loyalty for his father and hopefully is redeemable. Blake: Haven't met him yet. Fern: Started as a jerk type of rival only to get worse and worse as the game goes on. While it was a nice twist that he actually stays a jerk and becomes evil unlike Silver and Blue, he isn't a love to hate type of character and just gets on my nerves. If he steps up his villainy even more he'll need to join Solaris in dieing in a fire. Corey: Was selfish and gave into both despair and Team Meteor when he had daughter to look afterward but his suicide complicates matters and did not deserve the awfull comments from Fern and the Lapis Ward citizens. Edited March 18, 2015 by The Swordsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moshe Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Team Meteor is the best evil organisation I've met until now in pokemon games. With well designed characters and an actual realistic goal instead of the usual ''world dominance'', they really intrigue me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostelle Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I believe before Eclipse dies, she says that Solaris once wanted to make the city cleaner, then Lin came and turned that around; pure chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monochrome_Complex Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I feel like the whole mt pyrous thing and trying to kill the player/Kiki with his Garchomp negates any good intention Solaris may have once had and puts him squarely into the evil territory. And I do think Lin is related to Florina/Titania/Amaria/Julia somehow. I bet she has something to do with Flobat's change in personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kithros Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I feel like the whole mt pyrous thing and trying to kill the player/Kiki with his Garchomp negates any good intention Solaris may have once had and puts him squarely into the evil territory. And I do think Lin is related to Florina/Titania/Amaria/Julia somehow. I bet she has something to do with Flobat's change in personality. Frankly the Kiki thing happening is small in the grand scheme of things - he's already shown that he's willing to kill countless people (and has long before Kiki) with all of the things he's done with the PULSE tTangrowth etc. - there are lots of people that died from the PULSE Tangrowths, and he was trying to kill a lot more than just Kiki on Mt. Pyrous if the volcano erupted. Kiki is just a drop in the bucket (and I'll add, there are other characters in the game that have killed multiple people as well, including Saphira, and possibly even Heather by the end of episode 14). The Kiki thing was just more dramatic, and happened to someone that you were actually introduced to - but when you take away the bias there's nothing new really being shown there. It's more of a calculated thing - he perceives that what he's trying to accomplish is more important than the lives of a few hundred/thousand people, and as such he does what he has to to accomplish it. I don't think that's necessarily a wrong way to approach things *if* he had complete certainty that what he was doing was worth more than the cost, however there are a huge number of questionable assumptions that need to be made before he can conclude that his plan will work, let alone that his plan is actually worth it even if it succeeds. My view of good/evil is perhaps a bit different than most, but I don't really see anything definitive for whether he's good/evil at all. I see it more in terms of whether his goals are self-motivated or for the sake of benefiting the world as a whole, and how much he's willing to personally sacrifice to accomplish it, and neither of those has a very clear answer yet. Whether or not he's actually accomplishing what he thinks he's doing is another issue, but I don't see that as relevant for good/evil judgments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I believe before Eclipse dies, she says that Solaris once wanted to make the city cleaner, then Lin came and turned that around; pure chaos. I'm curious as to what Lin's 'real' intentions are. It's a possibility - but I don't think she just wants to destroy Reborn for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostelle Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I'm curious as to what Lin's 'real' intentions are. It's a possibility - but I don't think she just wants to destroy Reborn for the sake of it. Power. Every evil team wants power and they'll do what they can to achieve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kithros Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I'm curious as to what Lin's 'real' intentions are. It's a possibility - but I don't think she just wants to destroy Reborn for the sake of it. Well, Team Meteor's goals probably involve hooking up Arceus to a PULSE machine - for someone who talks so much about power etc. it's only natural they would have an interest in a PULSE Arceus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Well, Team Meteor's goals probably involve hooking up Arceus to a PULSE machine - for someone who talks so much about power etc. it's only natural they would have an interest in a PULSE Arceus... A PULSE Arceus huh... now that would be quite scary to face in battle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonicEevee Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 omg, for the love of arceus, plz don't give amethyst that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaaz Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 omg, for the love of arceus, plz don't give amethyst that idea. You think that Ame was not already planned this? How silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kithros Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 You think that Ame was not already planned this? How silly It might be something easy to overlook, but when you think about it it's actually pretty obvious - I mean, El is talking about how Arceus is in that tower/whatever it was where you need the 4 keys to get into it, and Team Meteor is looking for the keys, Team Meteor talks about creating a paradise/starting the world over or other similar things (and Arceus is basically the pokemon that created everything), and practically everything Team Meteor has been doing has been taking advantage of the PULSE machine to amplify pokemon powers. It's really obvious when you really think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enkhidu Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Well knowing Ame anything could happen, even things that you thought that were obvious to happen but something completely different happened. Like the theories of episode's 12 teaser with Amaria and Titania... And I would like to see Lin again, we know nearly anything about her, most of the things are suppositions from what some characters say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Well knowing Ame anything could happen, even things that you thought that were obvious to happen but something completely different happened. Like the theories of episode's 12 teaser with Amaria and Titania... And I would like to see Lin again, we know nearly anything about her, most of the things are suppositions from what some characters say. I don't think Lin recognizes us as a 'threat' yet (unlike Solaris) because we only met her once. It would be nice to battle her (possibly lose the first time?) soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swordsman Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 It might be something easy to overlook, but when you think about it it's actually pretty obvious - I mean, El is talking about how Arceus is in that tower/whatever it was where you need the 4 keys to get into it, and Team Meteor is looking for the keys, Team Meteor talks about creating a paradise/starting the world over or other similar things (and Arceus is basically the pokemon that created everything), and practically everything Team Meteor has been doing has been taking advantage of the PULSE machine to amplify pokemon powers. It's really obvious when you really think about it. I hope not because not only would my character go through a heroic BSOD, depending on how its handled it might ruin the game for me. On a side note though how would a PULSE machine make a already omnipotent being even more powerful? Since I got further in the storyline I felt I should do an update, Lin: Seems to be worse than Solaris, though I need more interaction with her to be sure El: On surface his cult's goal isn't necessarily bad since it seems they are going off that world's version of the bible but He intends to force the end early instead of letting Arceus do it when it is actually time. He also does so many heretical actions its a wonder people follow him in the first place and I still don't understand why he is in Team Meteor. Despite this I do still think if he could come to realize his actions are wrong and repent, he could be redeemed, but he would also have to be told Luna isn't possessed by a ghost pokemon and just for some reason likes darkness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kithros Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I hope not because not only would my character go through a heroic BSOD, depending on how its handled it might ruin the game for me. On a side note though how would a PULSE machine make a already omnipotent being even more powerful? Since I got further in the storyline I felt I should do an update, Lin: Seems to be worse than Solaris, though I need more interaction with her to be sure El: On surface his cult's goal isn't necessarily bad since it seems they are going off that world's version of the bible but He intends to force the end early instead of letting Arceus do it when it is actually time. He also does so many heretical actions its a wonder people follow him in the first place and I still don't understand why he is in Team Meteor. Despite this I do still think if he could come to realize his actions are wrong and repent, he could be redeemed, but he would also have to be told Luna isn't possessed by a ghost pokemon and just for some reason likes darkness. There are countless paths the game could take - Arceus didn't necessarily create everything for instance (as far as I can tell that's merely a rumor with no real basis to it, and even less basis for it being truly omnipotent), and additionally I never said there would actually *be* a PULSE Arceus, only that Team Meteor was trying to hook it up to a PULSE machine. That doesn't mean they'll actually succeed (for one, there's the Lin/Solaris drama that's going to come up, El might not really be a part of Team Meteor and could turn on them after they reach Arceus, Arceus itself might just do whatever it is that it does if they can't control it, or the main character + gym leaders could just stop the plan). There are many many possibilities for how the game could play out still and I'm not going to predict what will happen - but I do think it's pretty safe to say that Team Meteor at least wants to have a PULSE Arceus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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