Bullet Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Sooo, why am I doing this? [quote](13:54:28) +Tenshi: ehhh, I think tiers could use some polishing :S (13:54:50) +Amethyst: Last updated April...[/quote] Yeah, it's been quite a while, and well, things could use some moving around. Current tier lists: [size=4][b]Uber[/b][/size] [scroll] Mewtwo Lugia Ho-Oh Groundon Kyogre Rayquaza Deoxys (Normal) Deoxys (Attack) Deoxys (Speed) Dialga Palkia Giratina Giratina-O Manaphy Arceus Darkrai Reshiram Zekrom Shaymin-S [/scroll] [size=4][b]OU[/b][/size] [scroll] Alakazam Machamp Tentacruel Slowbro Cloyster Gengar Gyarados Ditto Vaporeon Zapdos Dragonite Mew Politoed Espeon Wobbuffet Scizor Skarmory Kingdra Suicune Tyranitar Blaziken Swampert Breloom Salamence Metagross Latios Jirachi Deoxys (Defense) Garchomp Lucario Hippowdon Gliscor Dusknoir Heatran Victini Serperior Excadrill Conkeldurr Whimsicott Zoroark Reuniclus Ferrothorn Chandelure Haxorus Mienshao Hydreigon Volcarona Terrakion Thundurus Landorus Keldeo Genesect Meloetta Ninetales Starmie Porygon2 Latias Weavile Bronzong Darmanitan Chansey [/scroll] [size=4][b]BL[/b][/size] [scroll] Aerodactyl Snorlax Forretress Heracross Celebi Ludicolo Sableye Sharpedo Infernape Abomasnow Yanmega Togekiss Mamoswine Rotom (wash) Azelf Cresselia Shaymin Scrafty Jellicent Golurk Mandibuzz Jolteon Smeargle Wynaut Blissey Kyurem [/scroll] [size=4][b]UU[/b][/size] [scroll] Venusaur Sandslash Nidoking Clefable Venomoth Dugtrio Arcanine Hitmonlee Omastar Kabutops Moltres Feraligatr Azumarill Umbreon Slowking Steelix Houndoom Donphan Hitmontop Sceptile Swellow Flygon Volbeat Milotic Dusclops Gorebyss Registeel Electivire Magnezone PorygonZ Gallade Froslass Rotom (all forms except normal and wash) Stoutland Scolipede Lilligant Crustle Carracosta Archeops Cinccino Gothitelle Sawsbuck Escavalier Galvantula Bisharp Braviary Durant Tornadus Cobalion Virizion Crobat Quagsire Ninjask Empoleon Roserade Staraptor Krookodile Cofagrigus Alomomola Accelgor Lapras Seismitoad Raikou [/scroll] [size="4"][B]LU *[/B][/size] [scroll] Charizard Blastoise Raichu Nidoqueen Primeape Victreebel Golem Rapidash Muk Kingler Exeggutor Hitmonchan Kangaskhan Scyther Articuno Typhlosion Lanturn Ampharos Jumpluff Qwilfish Shuckle Ursaring Miltank Entei Shiftry Gardevoir Slaking Shedinja Exploud Aggron Medicham Manectric Camerupt Cacturne Zangoose Whiscash Crawdaunt Claydol Cradily Walrein Relicanth Regirock Regice Bibarel Luxray Bastiodon Rampardos Floatzel Drifblim Toxicroak Lickilicky Tangrowth Magmortar Glaceon Probopass Mespirit Regigigas Simisear Simipour Swoobat Leavanny Sigilyph Klinklang Beheeyem Beartic Eelektross Vanilluxe Gigalith Sawk Throh Musharna Uxie Emboar Samurott Mismagius Honchkrow Spiritomb Drapion Rhyperior Leafeon Armaldo Absol Huntail Torterra Ambipom Pinsir Weezing Hariyama Bouffalant Druddigon Altaria Liepard [/scroll] [size="4"][b]NU[/b][/size] [scroll] Raticate Butterfree Beedrill Pidgeot Fearow Pikachu Wigglytuff Vileplume Parasect Persian Golduck Poliwrath Farfetch'd Dodrio Dewgong Hypno Electrode Seaking Mr. Mime Jynx Tauros Flareon Meganium Furret Noctowl Ledian Ariados Bellossom Sudowoodo Sunflora Unown Girafarig Dunsparce Granbull Macargo Corsola Octillery Delibird Mantine Stantler Mightyena Linoone Beautifly Duxtox Pelipper Masquerain Delcatty Mawile Plusle Minun Illumise Swalot Wailord Torkoal Grumpig Spinda Seviper Lunatone Solrock Kecleon Castform Banette Tropius Chimecho Glalie Luvdisc Kricketune Mothim Wormadam(all forms) Vespiquen Pachirisu Cherrim Gastrodon Lopunny Purugly Skuntank Chatot Carnivine Lumineon Phione Simisage Unfezant Audino Basculin Emolga Stunfisk Heatmor Rotom Normal Zebstrika Garbodor Swanna Amoongus Cyrogonal Shedinja [/scroll] Let's see, some quick opinions... Suicune - This thing is OU, because...? Ferrothorn easily makes Suicune its bitch, Chansey walls it to hell and back, many Pokemon use it for setup fodder, etc. Swampert - It sets up rocks, and....? It doesn't have nearly enough bulk to dominate a tier, and BL might actually let is see some play. Ditto - Why restrict it to OU? It copies a Pokemon, but does that make it too good? It's only as good as the Pokemon that are avaliable to copy. Meloetta - In normal forme, it has mediocre speed and not enough power. To get to step forme, it has to waste a turn using a weak normal move. Klol? Zoroark - It doesn't have a spectacular movepool or dominating stats. Once you realize that Illusion is nothing more than a cute trick, there's not much good left. Venusaur - [i]This thing[/i] is in UU? Venusaur in the sun can be a huge threat in OU, to say the least. While that doesn't warrant insta-OU, I'd say it should be BL at least, considering Vulpix exists. Virizion - This thing hurts a lot. Especially with Calm Mind. I think it'd be better in BL. Lapras - There's no real point in making it UU instead of LU since well, Drizzle doesn't exist below OU, and Lapras is pretty mediocre without permarain. Amoonguss - Spore + Great bulk seems easily LU at least. Isn't the new NU supposed to be the reject tier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Starmie for UU. It just isnt that great at all. Sure it has good speed but thats it. All you need is a wall and Starmie is usually screwed over. And after using Meloletta Id say BL for the Relic Song does have a good chance to sleep. Plus a great sweepers stats. Inbb4Myopinioniswrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted July 10, 2011 Administrators Share Posted July 10, 2011 Suicune- Most walls can be out-stalled by something else, particularly Chansey if they're special set up like the average Suicune is, so that's not really anything new... On the other hand that doesn't change the fact that Suicune is already capable of walling a good number of OU threats as is, and it'll only be more of a problem in lower tiers... Swampert- Agreed Ditto- Agreed Meloetta- Relic Song has only 10% chance of sleeping, and that aside, I've never really seen this do anything terribly useful. BL or UU would be alright Zoroark- Agreed Venusaur- It's not the best chlorophyll user in the first place, but it is well-rounded, and decent at anything. BL would probably be okay. Virizion- Never really seen this do anything useful... I say that excepting the one time I got swept by it... Kay, nevermind, agreed. Lapras- LU does look like a better match for it without Rain... Amoongus- Again, this can tank out a lot of OU threats really well, despite a common and meh typing. UU. Starmie- I'd say BL at most, definitely not OU. Also Dusknoir- Hasn't really done much for OU lately, it's a mediocre tank now. I'd say BL at best. Bronzong- Set options as prevalent as ever, but it also doesn't seem typical to OU. BL as well. Jellicent- This is BL, really? Something as useful as this should probably be OU... [i][color="#800080"]Hijacking this because I don't have much to say myself; Meloetta's ability is Serene Grace, so it's actually 20%... Not great but not bad either. Bronzong, with its typing and ability choices, only ever has one weakness at any given time; Combine with dual screens and natural bulk and... Yeah, I have to disagree with that one, sorry~[/color][/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Dusknoir is great against Physicals sweeps with Will o Wisps. Can take pretty much alot of punishment and heal with painsplit. Also can dish out some damage and knows the elemental punches. Id say stay in OU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted July 10, 2011 Author Share Posted July 10, 2011 I love Dusknoir... but... he... just... doesn't really kill you anymore. Like, he'll burn a couple of guys and... revenge kill with Shadow Sneak? ._. BL seems good for him. Suicune, it doesn't really do anything against some of the things it comes in on. Ok, so it can Ice Beam Dragon-types, and... hope to burn with Scald on everything else? It can't really Calm Mind up fast enough to be a real threat. Starmie, yeah, UU is pretty ballsy, BL sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mafia Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Virizion is easly OU as after a calm mind it can easly sweep unpreparied teams with hp ice/focus blast/giga drain. Nice to see Deoxys-D in ou he's fun to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingo Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Ditto should be at least OU it could be ever even Uber if you see it like this, 'till OU the tier is settled as usage, 3.33% of people does use Ditto, so at this point is OU, also Ditto in OU is a feared adversary for most things there, cause like tenshi said... Ditto is as good as the pokemon it copies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noivy Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I dont know about Suicune, What Tenshi said is correct, but make it bulky, putting the EVs into both defs and some in health gives me the chance to pull at least one Calm Mind. Give it leftovers and you have a fairly fine pokemon. But I've not seen a Suicune enough on the server so my info is kinda blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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