Reborn Pokemon Viability Thread

[Lamona]

May I add some based on my own Reborn run?

Reuniclus - A

It's superb special attack with quite good bulk can almost demolish anything that is super effective and is currently capable on learning Psyshock via leveling up, although it's really slow and always moves last because of it. With the addition of Trick Room TM and the water current effect in the late game, it will be surprisingly outspeeding and might also help it's teammates that suffers in those fields. Additionally, it have 3 useful abilities, but I think Magic Guard is the best thing that it have. Sure, Regenerator and Overcoat is useful but I think Magic Guard is the best one in my opinion, I hope you agree with it.

Magic Guard provides a great indirect defense rendering itself invulnerable to those kind of damage caused by field effect and status problems, so this Pokemon must be given some fame although it's moves is kinda limited. (No Focus Blast that always misses is no fun, but well.)

Simipour - B+

The early game Pokemon from Gen 5 is rather great if used wisely, such as Simipour. It might be not wise to evolve it before it can get at least Scald and Acrobatics via leveling up until 31, which is rather powerful combined with it's considerably good mixed offensive and speed stats.

(Beaten Florinia with this instead of Kricketune anyway.)

May be adding some later.

Edited May 19, 2015 by Lamona

[dondon151]

Guys, in order to focus discussion, please only discuss one group of Pokemon at a time (currently starter Pokemon). This way is less chaotic and it will be easier to get a consensus when people aren't firing off the first Pokemon that comes to their head.

[ShadowStar]

Okay sorry about that! I will just refer to that post when we are done with the Starters. I have a few other Peridot Pokemon (which those were) analysis' saved in Pastebins. Sadly I can't really contribute much to the remaining Starters since I have little experience with the rest. Happy analyzing! (man that was cheesy lol)

[Antilegend]

Guys, in order to focus discussion, please only discuss one group of Pokemon at a time (currently starter Pokemon). This way is less chaotic and it will be easier to get a consensus when people aren't firing off the first Pokemon that comes to their head.

Yeah, seconded. I'm going to redact my post and add them accordingly when they come up in discussion.

Should there be some sort of process to determine where some starters fall as far as class goes? Not to say I disagree with some of the choices that have been made thus far, but I'd imagine there will be some disagreements on where certain Pokemon land on the S-F scale.

[dondon151]

Should there be some sort of process to determine where some starters fall as far as class goes? Not to say I disagree with some of the choices that have been made thus far, but I'd imagine there will be some disagreements on where certain Pokemon land on the S-F scale.

I'd imagine that we will figure that out once we get there.

[Chase]

I thought we already had a thread for starters. Whatever. I'll leave this here for sheer posterity I guess..

[zareason]

To expand on Blaziken's viability:

S Rank: This Pokemon is hands down the best starter - great offensive stats, amazing ability and incredibly strong STAB moves in the form of High Jump Kick and Flare Blitz make it near unmatched once it reaches that oh so sweet level 36. It also gets Bulk Up, so one can set up a few of those and perhaps sweep just about any team. There has not been any point in the game where I found that it wasn't able to do anything. It helps greatly with Florinia, Shelly, Serra, Noel and can also be good against Samson if running Brave Bird.

Only thing i don't like about Blaziken is the recoil on flare blitz/brave bird/hjk/ Which is why i run instead blaze kick/brave bird/Sky Uppercut/ Bulk up. If only i had a left overs .

[Lamona]

Zoom Lens/Wide Lens for Blaziken is kinda awesome since it will make attacks like High Jump Kick and Blaze Kick over Fire Punch for more STAB damage which both has 90% accuracy never misses. Speed Boost doe.

[dondon151]

Zoom Lens is useless on Blaziken because it only works if the holder moves last and Wide Lens boosts 90 acc moves to 99 acc, not 100. Wide Lens would still be great, but it's tedious to get.

Edited May 21, 2015 by dondon151

[BIGJRA]

Since it appears that the starters are done

Pyroar: A-, it has a great movepool and mixed Work Up sweeping potential right from the start that only grows larger as it naturally learns Flamethrower, Crunch, and Hyper Voice. It isn't the most defensive of Pokemon but it's a great Fire type to start off the game with. It's also great against the first few gyms, but it gets outclassed later by fire types like Darmanitan and Ninetales.

[Darvan Korematsu]

Oh yeah. I almost forgot I wqs writing this up. Honestly I'm tired and a little lazy to look up all the Pokemon available at the first few Wards. I'd appreciate it if someone could give me a list of everything that shows up in Opal, Peridot, and under the Railnet.

Also how are y'all liking the Starters portion so far?

[BIGJRA]

Go on Team Showcase and click the Pinned Monotype Guide. All the Pokemon are listed by type (sorted in spoiler tags by gym badge)

[NameNotFound]

Also how are y'all liking the Starters portion so far?

It's pretty good, but Greninja doesn't have acces to ice beam if you don't switch between episodes.

[ShadowStar]

I already covered Roserade and Noivern above so here are a few more Analysis' of Pokemon obtainable before Julia! *KABOOM*

Garbodor ( C ): Trubbish pretty much fills a niche role early-game. However it preforms is VERY well. You may have seen some people praise Trubbish around the forums. The reason or that is Toxic Spkes. This move is very good for the first two gyms. Having steady damage stacking on you opponent is nice since their aren't too many options early-game. Resistance to Grass is key for it's role against Florinia.

Manectric ( D+ - C- ): Good for Julia's Gym. If you're lucky that is. Depending on what moves her Pokemon use, Electrike can be immune due to Lighningrod. Later however, Manectric gets out classed by other Electric-Types such as Ampharos and Magnezone.

Bibarel ( D- ): Trade for a Litleo lol. Best HM Slave so if you need that go for it. Would be better early game but Bibarel is weak to the first two gyms. Moody is too gimmicky in my opinion.

Cherrim( C - B- ): Very reliant on Sunny Day. This makes Drought Ninetails a good partner. When is double battles, Cherrim preforms surprisingly well. This is due to the ability Flower Gift (Flower Gift: increases the Attack and Special Defence stats of the user and its allies by 1.5× and turns Cherrim into overcast mode). Very strong at certian times.

Forretress ( D ): In my opinion, Hazards aren't the most useful niche to use in-game. Sure for 'Pokes like Roserade, Hazards are useful but they are viable outside of that role. It has a somewhat decent offensive movepool but it just doesn't seem very viable.

Ariados( D ): Horrid movepool in early game. However, decent coverage is gained later. Takes of a ot of investment tp get going but you will be *kinda* rewarded for your efforts. Still not that reat though...

Arbok( D+ ): Arbok sports a good support movepool. Offensive options don't pass much accept for early-game. Also Coil can be used for funsies. Not the best but there are uses for Arbok.

Edited May 20, 2015 by ShadowStar77

[dondon151]

Also how are y'all liking the Starters portion so far?

I really disagree with Froakie in A tier because as I said, it's an A tier Pokemon for (currently less than) half of the game and a C tier Pokemon for half of the game. I also don't see why there's a two tier difference between Snivy and Turtwig + Chespin when they all have the same tools; namely Leech Seed and a move that increases atk and def. Snivy has worse coverage, but Chespin also has a mediocre level up movepool, with its sole fighting type STAB causing a spd drop and also not coming until move tutor or L60. Snivy is also decently bulky and way faster than either Turtwig or Chespin, so when setting up it'll get Leech Seed up and boost def before the enemy attacks during the turn.

Snivy doesn't really need coverage moves either with the Coil or Leaf Storm builds. Grass + normal is fair neutral coverage, and with enough Coil boosts, everything can be powered through. With the Leaf Storm build, Wring Out should OHKO unresisted targets at +4 sp. atk, with Nature Power being situationally useful.

For the current block of Pokemon, you should put Kricketune in A tier because it wrecks the first two gyms and you can just drop it when it stops pulling weight.

Edited May 21, 2015 by dondon151

[NameNotFound]

For the current block of Pokemon, you should put Kricketune in A tier because it wrecks the first two gyms and you can just drop it when it stops pulling weight.

Shouldn't pokemons that are useful in the early game, but become useless later on be C rank? Unless if we're going to sort them based on usage in each gym, but that'll take some time.

Froakie isn't so good until you get extrasensory, but mixed one works pretty well. I used smack down and shadow sneak, It helped me against some gym leaders. It might be hard to raise until you get some good TMs, but it's really worth it. Along with the Azumarill, it's my only pokemon that can solo entire teams.

Edited May 21, 2015 by NameNotFound

[Lamona]

Zoom Lens is useless on Blaziken because it only works if the holder moves last and Wide Lens boosts 90 acc moves to 99 acc, not 100. Wide Lens would still be great, but it's tedious to get.

Since it gets Speed Boost, outspeeding things shouldn't be as hard as it should be. Sure that there's some opponent that uses priority, but I have seen less trainer used it at the moment for now. (Maybe that's just me who thinks about this, so yeah.)

99% is still close to 100% and not prone to missing, unless evasion and accuracy modifications included.

[dondon151]

Shouldn't pokemons that are useful in the early game, but become useless later on be C rank? Unless if we're going to sort them based on usage in each gym, but that'll take some time.

I think that Pokemon that start out good but become bad deserve to be ranked higher than Pokemon that start out bad but become good. The former kind of Pokemon can be dropped immediately once they become bad, so they are never detrimental to your team. The latter kind of Pokemon require usage during their bad period before they become good, so they are detrimental to your team for some period of time. Kricketune basically allows you to skip all of the earlygame garbage and get to decent Pokemon like Bunnelby.

Froakie isn't so good until you get extrasensory, but mixed one works pretty well. I used smack down and shadow sneak, It helped me against some gym leaders. It might be hard to raise until you get some good TMs, but it's really worth it. Along with the Azumarill, it's my only pokemon that can solo entire teams.

Smack Down and Shadow Sneak are pretty weak moves. Before Froakie becomes good, it only has a smattering of weak offensive moves that don't have the best type coverage, whereas the other Pokemon in A tier are consistently good throughout the entire game.

Since it gets Speed Boost, outspeeding things shouldn't be as hard as it should be. Sure that there's some opponent that uses priority, but I have seen less trainer used it at the moment for now. (Maybe that's just me who thinks about this, so yeah.)

99% is still close to 100% and not prone to missing, unless evasion and accuracy modifications included.

I feel like you didn't understand what I said. Zoom Lens will basically never work for Blaziken because the accuracy boost only applies if Blaziken moves after the opponent. Blaziken will almost never move after the opponent past the first turn.

Additionally, you claimed that Wide Lens would make 90 acc moves never miss, which is not true, because they still have a 1% chance of missing.

Edited May 21, 2015 by dondon151

[NameNotFound]

I think that Pokemon that start out good but become bad deserve to be ranked higher than Pokemon that start out bad but become good. The former kind of Pokemon can be dropped immediately once they become bad, so they are never detrimental to your team. The latter kind of Pokemon require usage during their bad period before they become good, so they are detrimental to your team for some period of time. Kricketune basically allows you to skip all of the earlygame garbage and get to decent Pokemon like Bunnelby.

Smack Down and Shadow Sneak are pretty weak moves. Before Froakie becomes good, it only has a smattering of weak offensive moves that don't have the best type coverage, whereas the other Pokemon in A tier are consistently good throughout the entire game.

I just prefer pokemons that become good later on .-. Pachirisu was great addition to my team, I defeated pulse tangrowth because of it, but I just don't think it deserves high rank.

I guess we can consider dorpping Froakie to rank B, it gets its 1st useful special move in late 40s. Other rank A pokemons do have better movepool. I've just remembered that my Froakie had lonely nature before I got dark pulse TM, maybe that's the reason why it worked pretty well for me.

What if we organise pokemons based on their whole in game performance and note if some of them are useful in certain gyms (pokemons like Kricketune, Emolga and Pachirisu)

Edited May 21, 2015 by NameNotFound

[Sparky]

I just prefer pokemons that become good later on .-. Pachirisu was great addition to my team, I defeated pulse tangrowth because of it, but I just don't think it deserves high rank.

I guess we can consider dorpping Froakie to rank B, it gets its 1st useful special move in late 40s. Other rank A pokemons do have better movepool. I've just remembered that my Froakie had lonely nature before I got dark pulse TM, maybe that's the reason why it worked pretty well for me.

What if we organise pokemons based on their whole in game performance and note if some of them are useful in certain gyms (pokemons like Kricketune, Emolga and Pachirisu)

I can deem Kricketune amazing against Radomus and Luna

[alaneapen]

Mamoswine A+ : Breed him icicle crash and he is a reat pokemon. Gets earthquake at lv 37 as swinub and lv 46 as piloswine. Tears through gyms like Shade and Aya if you get him pre epiosde 14.

[ShadowStar]

TC said that Egg Moves aren't counted in analysis'. Mamo is a good Poke but is hindered without Crash.

[Lamona]

I feel like you didn't understand what I said. Zoom Lens will basically never work for Blaziken because the accuracy boost only applies if Blaziken moves after the opponent. Blaziken will almost never move after the opponent past the first turn.

Additionally, you claimed that Wide Lens would make 90 acc moves never miss, which is not true, because they still have a 1% chance of missing.

Then it's whoever preference of held items usage, myself prefer Zoom Lens since it got Speed Boost, Bulk Up, and risky moves with great power.

Of course to make sure the opponent can't actually OHKO it, cause it will be a pain. (I'm always loving the TM Protect.)

About the Wide Lens, even with 1% of missing, 99% is still really high to launch a successful hit.

(Anyway, I've never seen one, is there a place where I can get it?)

(Edit : Never mind, I just found it out. Thank you anyway.)

Edited May 22, 2015 by Lamona

[NameNotFound]

About the Wide Lens, even with 1% of missing, 99% is still really high to launch a successful hit. (Anyway, I've never seen one, is there a place where I can get it?)

Yanmas might hold wide lens, but it's like 5% chance