Possible E4...ers

[Damage]

I'm curious on some opinions. We know as of the end of 14 that Laura and Heather are in or at least were in the E4 at some point. While Laura's case seems to be that she was talented, in Heather's scenario it seems to be a hand me down because she does not have the makings of a strong trainer and she's like 10. I'm not against prodigies like Noel but high class trainers should be like legal adults at least. Oh and Elias it seems may retain his position unless Cain told Ame that he's a psychopath. Probably not since he's busy with you saving lives. So with only one person who is still likely to be in the E4 any guesses on who the other three could be if we've even met them?

[Jan]

I'm curious on some opinions. We know as of the end of 14 that Laura and Heather are in or at least were in the E4 at some point. While Laura's case seems to be that she was talented, in Heather's scenario it seems to be a hand me down because she does not have the makings of a strong trainer and she's like 10. I'm not against prodigies like Noel but high class trainers should be like legal adults at least. Oh and Elias it seems may retain his position unless Cain told Ame that he's a psychopath. Probably not since he's busy with you saving lives. So with only one person who is still likely to be in the E4 any guesses on who the other three could be if we've even met them?

Well, may I remind you that the champion of Kanto was 10, so age doesn't have too much of a factor.

[Lord Drakyle]

Following on with what Jan said, one of the two non adults were assholes.

[Masquerain]

We also know that Laura was kicked out of her position as a member of the E4, so we will see various entities in the E4 I believe...and I suppose we'll likely see Serra's son as one of them given the plot implications and his vow to you after defeating him again.

I'm not sure if Elias was even a member of the E4, he never directly said it, did he? (maybe I missed it) He only said he has connections. Maybe the nightclub fellow will emerge as something like an E4? I'm actually more curious what kind of person is the champion going to be

[Mint_Spaghetti]

Inb4 everyone dies and Shade is champion<<<

[Courtesy]

Red was a player character and as such was clearly a prodigy.

I only have one expectation with the elite four, and I'm not at all surprised if I get let down on it.

I've a feeling Ame might be one of it's members or the champion.

[laggless01]

I thought Anne (the psychic girl) was also hinted to be E4 (she can't be leader, cuz Radomus), so that would make El, Heather, Anna, Bennett replaces Laura. If we already would know the E4, and they're active in reborn, then where is the champion and what the hell is that person doing?

[sandy]

We also know that Laura was kicked out of her position as a member of the E4, so we will see various entities in the E4 I believe...and I suppose we'll likely see Serra's son as one of them given the plot implications and his vow to you after defeating him again.

I'm not sure if Elias was even a member of the E4, he never directly said it, did he? (maybe I missed it) He only said he has connections. Maybe the nightclub fellow will emerge as something like an E4? I'm actually more curious what kind of person is the champion going to be

when you get the eighth badge and are ready to leave the castle and Elias try's to stop you cain intervenes and the flowing appears

Elias " you cant hope to stop me can you"

cain " i know im no match for you, you are one of the elite, hopefully i can stall you long enough for the main character to escape"

Elias " so you know that there will be no mercy"

so with in that little chat we can assume that Elias either holds a position as elite 4 or champion. furthermore i don't think that a member of the E4 has any influence to get another member kicked. unless of course Elias is the leader of the E$ but then even so....

[Masquerain]

when you get the eighth badge and are ready to leave the castle and Elias try's to stop you cain intervenes and the flowing appears

Elias " you cant hope to stop me can you"

cain " i know im no match for you, you are one of the elite, hopefully i can stall you long enough for the main character to escape"

Elias " so you know that there will be no mercy"

so with in that little chat we can assume that Elias either holds a position as elite 4 or champion. furthermore i don't think that a member of the E4 has any influence to get another member kicked. unless of course Elias is the leader of the E$ but then even so....

Well I certainly didn't remember that part.

But I do recall that somewhere in the story they stated Laura was kicked out of her position as an E4 ..It was either Ep13 or 14, somewhere in the Calcenon scenario

As to how El would get Bennet a position, idk, but if he claims he has ways of doing so, maybe Bennet will emerge as a member

Edited May 27, 2015 by Masquerain

[Deleted User]

I don't think Ame's going to have any part in it. She's already said she regrets putting her own character into the game, and I can't see her wanting such an important role in the game at the same time as E4, or even champion.

[Zane0144]

My current theory for the e4

End of game will be

Laura

Bennett

Heather

Dj Arc light

Anna as champ.

Elias is currently an e4 but will probably lose his position after team meteor loses and his motives are revealed. In power id rank him above Laura at the moment, but I get the feeling Laura now feels the need to prove herself and will be higher level than Elias once we get to the league so it's still a challenge

[Damage]

Yeah I've heard like Solace that Ame has no intention of being part of the story in any influential way. Everyone says Anna is in the E4 or champion but I just don't see it. She has her pokemon back and there have been several times where she could have done something besides get captured. Unless she's got legendaries that she is worried about releasing I don't see it. If Bennett was in the E4 it would make for a pretty epic rematch. If I see Fern anywhere near Victory Road I will personally reach into the game to strangle him. He is the Joffrey of Reborn.

Also Red was the original pokemon trainer and is allowed some freedom.

[laggless01]

About Anne: it was mentioned in an interview with GG that she hold a high position, which we interpret as being in the E4...
If Ame wants to go for nostalgia, she makes Fern the Champ. If she actually makes Fern end up defeating Lin, becoming head of Team Meteor (and being even more dangerous as her), making us have a climactic battle against him as the climax of the game...that would be pretty cool.

[Cyclonegale]

I just want another opportunity to bash Fern's pokemon again.

[laggless01]

I just want another opportunity to bash Fern's pokemon again.

For some people it's not only his pokemon...things might get a bit more brutal in the next encounter.

[Darvan Korematsu]

Well we all know that Amethyst doesn't want to be an influential part of the story, but she's already rooted herself as Reborn's mastermind both in the game and real life, since she is the head developer and asserts herself in-game as the closest thing to an official Professor of the Reborn Region by giving you your first Pokémon and a Dex. One hint we might be able to get is after you beat Charlotte, there is a discussion with Amethyst, and I think Saphira. There is clear intention that E4 members can lose their position.

My theory for that matter is that Elias managed to convince the Elite Four, or whatever supervising council that runs it that in-game Amethyst was unfit for or something like that, and maybe Bennett took her place, because of the several hints, like how Elias can possibly make Bennett an E4 member, and the fact we haven't seen him since the awkward affair in the Valley (Luna's place).

Anna I wouldn't think would be the Champion in my opinion, because what in fresh hell would the Champion be doing holed up in some orphanage? Yes I know several leaders are there, but they inherited those Gyms by blood. Charlotte even says the Fire Gym used to be her mom's gym. Champion would be earned. Anna should be a Psychic user, even if she is E4, because given that almost all the time the sprites send out their ace to deal with it (which was a Gothitelle, and go fig on it's type, and exception to Amaria who was about to get screwed by Solaris)

Laura is for now an assumed member of the Elite Four because it's stated and there's no hint of her moving at all.

The Champion right now. Maybe there isn't one. Maybe the League is too unorganized to have competitions and a stable Champ. Maybe the E4 consists of people we still haven't met. Because if you look at Reborn's map (the one that's drawn), there's still a giant desert, a giant Scrapyard, a giant Cave, a Tower, Victory Road, and a bunch of other landmarks for now not even in the game.

I'd wanna think maybe Victoria would become the Champion. She might be fulfilling the will of Kiki before she died, because while Kiki was alive, Kiki wanted her to master the League. That would be something of a final showdown: the two starting from the ground up duking it out to be the best. It's a classic Pokémon Origins remake all over again. Or even better to mind fuck you: you beat the Elite Four, turns out there's no Champion, you become Champion, and you have to become a reverse Blue v. Red and defend your title from whoever followed you.

The League how I see it when we get there

E4: (Not in any specific order)

Anna

Bennett

Laura

Amethyst/Elias

Champion: (To become, assuming there isn't one now)

Victoria

[Imperial]

About Anne: it was mentioned in an interview with GG that she hold a high position, which we interpret as being in the E4...

If Ame wants to go for nostalgia, she makes Fern the Champ. If she actually makes Fern end up defeating Lin, becoming head of Team Meteor (and being even more dangerous as her), making us have a climactic battle against him as the climax of the game...that would be pretty cool.

When you attack the orphanage, Anna says Noel and Charlotte are gym leaders. Then Charlotte says Saphira too, and Laura is a member of the E4. But when she begins to say that Anna is even higher, Anna interrupts her by changing the topic of the discussion. That makes me think that Anna is really better than the E4, so is the champion. And I also think she will be at the center of the story, especially the mess with Arceus due to her powers (she knew we were behind the doors, she knew for Charlotte's story in a way with the "burn scars"). I'm curious to see more about her

And for the E4 I would say El, Heather, Bennett. Maybe Lin ? I always thought she was an E4, and being a Meteor does no seem to be a sufficient reason for being fired of the league.

[Kithros]

Heather and Elias are pretty much confirmed to be part of the Elite 4, and it's extremely likely Bennett will be too what with Laura being kicked out and what Bennett said in the last conversation with you. It's strongly implied that Anna is either the champion or part of the elite 4 (especially because there aren't really any other roles left for her to fill.. she's not a rival, not a gym leader, not a team meteor etc.,).

That only leaves 1 more, and while there are all kinds of characters that could potentially fit into this slot there isn't really much to go off of as far as I can tell. It wouldn't surprise me if DJ Arclight were in the elite 4, but there's very little to base this off of other than that he doesn't seem to have any noteworthy position as a trainer and I don't see where else he could fit, even though I don't think there's been anything that's said that hints towards him. Also, there aren't that many people from the reborn league that don't already hold some kind of position in the game - the only people that even seem eligible (under the assumption that the elite 4 consists of people from the reborn league at least, and that the league doesn't change even more than it already has in game) are Lin and DJ Arclight, but I'm doubtful that Lin is the champion what with nobody seeming to know her (especially Laura seeing as she used to be in the elite 4..) and she's already the Team Meteor boss.

So, if I had to guess, I'd probably say that the elite 4 will be Elias, Bennett, Heather, DJ Arclight and Anna as the champion personally.

Yeah I've heard like Solace that Ame has no intention of being part of the story in any influential way. Everyone says Anna is in the E4 or champion but I just don't see it. She has her pokemon back and there have been several times where she could have done something besides get captured. Unless she's got legendaries that she is worried about releasing I don't see it. If Bennett was in the E4 it would make for a pretty epic rematch. If I see Fern anywhere near Victory Road I will personally reach into the game to strangle him. He is the Joffrey of Reborn.

Also Red was the original pokemon trainer and is allowed some freedom.

The same could be said for practically everybody though - by the Yureyu Building Charlotte could've swept basically every Team Meteor Grunt in the game and still beat Sirius without healing inbetween, and she still gets captured. Heather *is* part of the elite 4, and she also got captured.

Edited May 27, 2015 by Kithros

[Shanco]

My call for the Elite Four:

Bennett

Heather

Laura

Victoria or Anna

Lin or Victoria as champion.

For reasons Zane stated, I don't see Elias being a part of the E4.

More on this later if I remember to come back to it

[sandy]

Well I certainly didn't remember that part.

But I do recall that somewhere in the story they stated Laura was kicked out of her position as an E4 ..It was either Ep13 or 14, somewhere in the Calcenon scenario

As to how El would get Bennet a position, idk, but if he claims he has ways of doing so, maybe Bennet will emerge as a member

those properly aren't those exact words but the conversation takes place when the lights go off after winning in the castle and are trying to heal you'r team, unless ame changed it in 14.6

i was right the conversation didn't go down the way i wrote it, but at 3:47 of the vid linked below cain flat out says that El is "one of the elite" which would lead us to believe that El is indeed one of the E$

https://youtu.be/gquIqvOQpWc

Edited May 27, 2015 by sandy

[Damage]

I'd be dwelling if I gave all the reasons I don't think Anna is champ or even E4 so I'll stop with I don't think she's either. We've seen Arclight a couple times but neither occasion matter to the main story so I'm not sure about him as a guess. If we're on the Meteor execs route then maybe Solaris is at the top spot since he's been shown to care about Reborn's state of affairs even if he's a tad violent. I also see Fern giving us a final rematch soon since not too many gyms are left. I'm not sure our next badge will be our next badge since outside of everyone else's problems its been pretty smooth sailing for the protagonist. Aside from Solaris I still think the best twist ever would be the champ in the making guy being the champ.

...he knows you better than you know yourself.

[pyroice]

I'd wanna think maybe Victoria would become the Champion. She might be fulfilling the will of Kiki before she died, because while Kiki was alive, Kiki wanted her to master the League. That would be something of a final showdown: the two starting from the ground up duking it out to be the best. It's a classic Pokémon Origins remake all over again. Or even better to mind fuck you: you beat the Elite Four, turns out there's no Champion, you become Champion, and you have to become a reverse Blue v. Red and defend your title from whoever followed you.

It would be a cool plot twist.

IMO, I was thinking the league/e4 would be like pokemon adventures style, like a real tournament, with the other rivals battling against you to get the right to challlenge the E4,

but I think only the Main Character had collected enough badges to do it, so... there goes my theory

[Red_Chaos]

Atleast Ame should be a character that we can challenge kind of like Cynitha in the Black/White series or was in BW2......

Edited May 27, 2015 by Red_Chaos

[Kithros]

For the people who are doubting that Anna is in the elite 4.. the biggest question I have to ask is 'if Anna isn't in the elite 4, then what *is* she?' She can't be a gym leader, she isn't a rival, she isn't in team meteor - if she isn't in the elite 4 then she's seemingly just a random nobody in the game, even though the game strongly hints that she holds some kind of high position in the game and she was in the actual reborn league. She can't be a nobody, and I don't see where else she can fit other than the elite 4/champion. It's also for this kind of logic that I think it's fairly likely that DJ Arclight is in the elite 4, because he shows up in so few places that he kind of has to be in the elite 4 for him to actually be relevant to the story at all by this point, and I'm assuming everybody in the reborn league is going to be at least somewhat meaningful in the game.

[Guzam]

Guys the champ isn't doing anything for obvious reasons. The champion is a part of team meteor. Think about it, the champion is never just confined to their little castle, they are allowed to go on walk about I.e. Cynthia Alder etc.

The champion would have to know there is something going on, and the fact that no one we've talked to has even spoke of a champion yet leads me to believe they don't even know. Lin is a good candidate seeing as she is brutal and has power far beyond us. This would also explain how and why she recruits gym leaders, she has connections at the top. Not to mention it would explain how she got Laura kicked out. She's always enjoyed hurting Laura as well... Because [Redacted] Not to mention as far we know we already have team meteor in the elite 4 in the form of Elias and supposedly Bennett. Whats stopping team meteor from ruling the league? My prediction is it will be

Bennett

Elias

Blake/Fern

Sigmund

Champ: Lin

What's stopping them from kicking everyone else out... However this topic makes me think... How can Anna be a part of the elite 4 when she can't even go to the league? She's always been locked in the orphanage so it's not possible... Right?