[Spoilers] E16 Status Discussion

[Lilleen]

I think that sounds more like Sirius. I think Fern's ego wouldn't even let him acknowledge he's in danger, lol.

Maybe. I don't know, I just follow my gut's feelings.

*EDIT: I don't really want to draw too many conclusion. People can change when put in certain situation. I remember reading this story about a guy who was kidnapped by a monster and during his stay with this said monster, his personality changed quite much. He was willing to eat human flesh in order to survive, which sound mobid at first, but when it really comes down to it, is very realistic.

Edited April 19, 2016 by Lilleen

[Masquerain]

Maybe. I don't know, I just follow my gut's feelings.

*EDIT: I don't really want to draw too many conclusion. People can change when put in certain situation. I remember reading this story about a guy who was kidnapped by a monster and during his stay with this said monster, his personality changed quite much. He was willing to eat human flesh in order to survive, which sound mobid at first, but when it really comes down to it, is very realistic.

I'd wanna have the name of that story, sounds interesting

And yeah, Fern's pride is sky-high but there comes a time for every person when they simply have to swallow it

[Samalet]

We were given a hint though, as her diary did mention a baby Arceus. Hmmmm ...

I'm pretty sure you're thinking about the wrong thing here. She compared herself to a baby Arceus because she created a world and shaped it to her own wishes.

[Lilleen]

I'd wanna have the name of that story, sounds interesting

And yeah, Fern's pride is sky-high but there comes a time for every person when they simply have to swallow it

https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/zkfgv/prey/

It's in four parts, you'll find the links to the other parts at the end of the parts.

I just wanna warn you that the story was never truely finished for unknown reasons. I would still recommend the story, though. It damn well written.

[FairFamily]

Huh, interesting.

I can agree that the cutscene with the player pretending to be a Meteor was indeed strange. Lin did indeed seem suspious about the player, which makes me wonder what would've happened if Saphira hadn't attacked the place with the giant Steelix. Sirius himself is quite mysterious and I hope he gets more attention in the future episodes.

Sirius is one of my favorite Meteors, because we don't know why he joined Meteor in the first place (I'm not that good at digging up information, though, so correct me if I'm wrong). I got this feeling that he might not work for Team Meteor because he believes in their ideals, but because he has a plan of his own.

I think Lin only knew that sirius was lying but she didn't knew about what. I think Lin knew that Sirius has his own agenda but didn't know how the protaganist would fit in that agenda. Was he meant to be sleeper agent for when Sirius makes a coup and now Sirius tries to move him up the ranks? Is Sirius hiding his true talents and uses the grunt as a decoy? ... She wouldn't know but the protagonist wasn't seen again after the destruction of the base. So I wonder what Sirius' excuse must have been then.

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As for the huge ZEL discussing, what I think is that Eve is only helping Team Meteor create new PULSE machines so she can gather more information about her own machine. She didn't know everything her machine could do the first time she created a PULSE, which resulted in what ZEL is today. However, as she builds newer and more powerful PULSE machines, she now has more of an idea of what these machines are capable of. It's a perfect way to hide, as she might know how to seperate the three of them,

That is quite interesting and it could also explain the grand scheme of team meteor. Team meteor create PULSES to gather data to create the perfect PULSE (probably with arceus). By defeating them we are actually giving them extra data and helping them forward. Would make a nice end game piece of dialogue : "Do you remember all those PULSES you destroyed,? They were actually prototypes and we used them to gather information to cretae a PULSE to empower Arceus and it was all thanks to you ... ." A bit of cliche but quite nice.

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What I am curious about is whenever we will ever know why T3RR4 was helping Meteor. She is one of my favorite characters in Reborn, but her character was little explained. We were given a hint though, as her diary did mention a baby Arceus. Hmmmm ...

I thought it was explained after you beat her. She was just bored and team Meteor offered her entertainment in the form of anarchy. Terra was verry happy with that offer since she considered anarchy like hot, delicious rawrsex( I'm pretty sure that was her description but it was certeinly among those lines). That aside what I'm more interested in, is how does she know that the protagonist was being addressed after we defeated the arceus-ditto.

[Amanojaku]

I'm pretty sure you're thinking about the wrong thing here. She compared herself to a baby Arceus because she created a world and shaped it to her own wishes.

I'm pretty sure that she mentioned that she was going to set Baby Arceus free as thanks for creating her world.

[Samalet]

I'm pretty sure that she mentioned that she was going to set Baby Arceus free as thanks for creating her world.

I'm pretty sure that I'm not so sure what she really wrote anymore.

[FairFamily]

The lines are :

"hee hee! this is fun! i can see everything from here! and I can make everyone play with me! it's all thanks to baby arceus! i'm going to make sure i repay him by setting him free! then we can all live in the new world together and have lots of fun forever and ever!"

However I don't think they are lines from T3RR4 since they are too normal. It seems more of a summary of someone else's lines.

Edited April 19, 2016 by FairFamily

[Samtale]

The lines are :

"hee hee! this is fun! i can see everything from here! and I can make everyone play with me! it's all thanks to baby arceus! i'm going to make sure i repat him by setting him free! then we can all live in the new world together and have lots of fun forever and ever!"

However I don't think they are lines from T3RR4 since they are too normal. It seems more of a summary of someone else's lines.

maybe terra was at one point sane and eventually had something that made her snap

[Imperial]

Originally Terra was just a shy student in Beryl. She "got bored" as she say and become a clown. She's insane by choice, not by nature. And don't forget she's a super hacker, so she can do logical and complex things if she wants, so I'm not surprised that she's sane in her diary. M3G4 T3RR4 is mainly for the show

[Kagamine]

Ah, I love thinking and theorizing. ^^

Yeah, i would be angry if we had to save Fern or something. What I would hate even more is if we would be forced to forgive him or something. I don't know, but Fern seems like the type to beg for mercy when he feel like his life is in danger and that the only person who would be there to help him, is you.

I have to disagree, I feel like Fern would continue to be an elitist jerk. I can't see him begging for his life.

I don't know what happens in the jungle when you're in the nuzleaf trap if you beg for your life. I'm assuming he doesn't let you and and laughs at you, just seems like the kind of guy he is.

I don't see any sort of redemption arc or change of heart for him, he just seems like that kind of person.

[Bessi]

i still believe that fern infiltrated in team meteor.he will be the one to help us destroy it at the end...that would make him the preson that trolled the entire game

[Foamy]

The lines are :

"hee hee! this is fun! i can see everything from here! and I can make everyone play with me! it's all thanks to baby arceus! i'm going to make sure i repay him by setting him free! then we can all live in the new world together and have lots of fun forever and ever!"

However I don't think they are lines from T3RR4 since they are too normal. It seems more of a summary of someone else's lines.

It's pretty clearly the same person that we heard after we left Citae Arc d'Astrae. Now we just need to know whose voice that was...

[ZEL]

I like Fern. He's interesting.
I don't know where that one post I made about it is - I think it's sooomewhere in the E15 discussion, but I'm too lazy to find it.

Edit: Shit, that's a wall of text.

I really, really don't think that Fern is going to keep up his behavior for the whole rest of the story.

Now, I do agree that it's unlikely he'll suddenly turn around and be a friendly little sweetheart, but the trope "Good Is Not Nice" exists for a reason.

I think Fern is perfectly capable of coming to his senses about what side he should be on, and still be a jerk. Not everyone who fights for the same cause as you will always be your friend, or even a likable person to you.

With Fern, I always feel like there are two main issues for him.

First, he always, always gets overshadowed somehow. First by Florinia, who he is "only" the reserve leader for, and who appears to have been hugely popular during her trainer school days (more popular than Fern?), and later by the player, because no matter what Fern does, not only do you easily catch up with him, but you're also the one who gets sung all the praise.

Of course, we know that people don't like praising Fern because of his bragging and the way he insults the people he battles against, but everything about his attitude just reeks of someone who is very desperate for attention, to the point where he doesn't even care any more if it's good or bad attention.

At the end of E15, even Solaris compliments the player on their battling skills and shuts Fern down. I mean, wow, that must suck, especially when Florinia scolds him in front of everyone.

Second, whatever it is that happened to Rini, it affected him more than he's been able to handle.

There's a moment in E15 that I find especially memorable:

I'm not sure what I want to think happened during the Onyx School days of the leaders, but whatever happened, we know that Florinia felt deeply hurt, and decided that "shutting down" (probably more like, forcefully suppressing) her emotions would protect her from hurt in the future.

She's playing the role of the emotionless "Flobot" to keep herself out of more harm's way, but everyone else around her is left to deal with the change by themselves. Julia tries really hard to be the same as ever to her, she doesn't want to give up on her friend and I believe she refuses to accept Rini's current "situation" as the endgame.

Fern is effectively telling us in E15 that he feels like he has lost his sister. We don't know how their relationship was prior to the incident, but with Rini's decision to suppress her emotions, she made no exception for Fern, and treated him just as indifferently as everyone else.

We see it as early as during out first strike against Meteor - she "allows" Fern to be as dangerously reckless as possible (during the convo where she tells the player to stay safe). Of course he's already not being very nice to her at that time, but I can only imagine what it must have been like for Fern to watch his sister change so completely, never resolving the incident that hurt her, and refusing to deal with the consequences.

Rini refuses to consider the consequences, instead insisting that it's irrational for her friends to still be emotional about everything.

I don't know if Fern is so desperate for attention and recognition because of the situation with Florinia, or if he's always been someone who likes attention and everything's just been made worse by what happened back then.

But to me it feels like everything Fern does, from being outrageously arrogant and condescending, to joining Team Meteor, is a giant cry for attention.

He claims he joined Meteor so he can have his "rightful place at the top", and I feel like he is simply trying to create a situation in which people are forced to give him the recognition he can't seem to get from them otherwise.

Is he an immature dick for it? Yes. But I very much think Fern can come to his senses if only the problem between Rini and Tania would be resolved properly after all those years. Give that poor boy his sister back, maybe that'll be a start to helping him be less of a jerk.

Edited April 20, 2016 by Ama

[Cobalt996]

I have to disagree, I feel like Fern would continue to be an elitist jerk. I can't see him begging for his life.

I don't know what happens in the jungle when you're in the nuzleaf trap if you beg for your life. I'm assuming he doesn't let you and and laughs at you, just seems like the kind of guy he is.

I don't see any sort of redemption arc or change of heart for him, he just seems like that kind of person.

He asks again, with further humiliation in it. Then he lets you go. I don't like sitting around doing nothing, and my pride isn't going to be hurt by FERN of all things.

[Kagamine]

I like Fern. He's interesting.

I don't know where that one post I made about it is - I think it's sooomewhere in the E15 discussion, but I'm too lazy to find it.

Edit: Shit, that's a wall of text.

I really, really don't think that Fern is going to keep up his behavior for the whole rest of the story.

Now, I do agree that it's unlikely he'll suddenly turn around and be a friendly little sweetheart, but the trope "Good Is Not Nice" exists for a reason.

I think Fern is perfectly capable of coming to his senses about what side he should be on, and still be a jerk. Not everyone who fights for the same cause as you will always be your friend, or even a likable person to you.

With Fern, I always feel like there are two main issues for him.

First, he always, always gets overshadowed somehow. First by Florinia, who he is "only" the reserve leader for, and who appears to have been hugely popular during her trainer school days (more popular than Fern?), and later by the player, because no matter what Fern does, not only do you easily catch up with him, but you're also the one who gets sung all the praise.

Of course, we know that people don't like praising Fern because of his bragging and the way he insults the people he battles against, but everything about his attitude just reeks of someone who is very desperate for attention, to the point where he doesn't even care any more if it's good or bad attention.

At the end of E15, even Solaris compliments the player on their battling skills and shuts Fern down. I mean, wow, that must suck, especially when Florinia scolds him in front of everyone.

Second, whatever it is that happened to Rini, it affected him more than he's been able to handle.

There's a moment in E15 that I find especially memorable:

I'm not sure what I want to think happened during the Onyx School days of the leaders, but whatever happened, we know that Florinia felt deeply hurt, and decided that "shutting down" (probably more like, forcefully suppressing) her emotions would protect her from hurt in the future.

She's playing the role of the emotionless "Flobot" to keep herself out of more harm's way, but everyone else around her is left to deal with the change by themselves. Julia tries really hard to be the same as ever to her, she doesn't want to give up on her friend and I believe she refuses to accept Rini's current "situation" as the endgame.

Fern is effectively telling us in E15 that he feels like he has lost his sister. We don't know how their relationship was prior to the incident, but with Rini's decision to suppress her emotions, she made no exception for Fern, and treated him just as indifferently as everyone else.

We see it as early as during out first strike against Meteor - she "allows" Fern to be as dangerously reckless as possible (during the convo where she tells the player to stay safe). Of course he's already not being very nice to her at that time, but I can only imagine what it must have been like for Fern to watch his sister change so completely, never resolving the incident that hurt her, and refusing to deal with the consequences.

Rini refuses to consider the consequences, instead insisting that it's irrational for her friends to still be emotional about everything.

I don't know if Fern is so desperate for attention and recognition because of the situation with Florinia, or if he's always been someone who likes attention and everything's just been made worse by what happened back then.

But to me it feels like everything Fern does, from being outrageously arrogant and condescending, to joining Team Meteor, is a giant cry for attention.

He claims he joined Meteor so he can have his "rightful place at the top", and I feel like he is simply trying to create a situation in which people are forced to give him the recognition he can't seem to get from them otherwise.

Is he an immature dick for it? Yes. But I very much think Fern can come to his senses if only the problem between Rini and Tania would be resolved properly after all those years. Give that poor boy his sister back, maybe that'll be a start to helping him be less of a jerk.

You brought up a lot of good points, and I just remembered something.

Remember when we first meet Hardy, how Fern states Hardy is "Jealous because I was top of the class, and Hardy was just some goof" (Not exact wording, but something like that)

While Florinia is older, she is also significantly smarter, since she is the headmaster. But, something even more important, is that Fern and Hardy both state their sisters "used to be friends"

Which we obviously know, seeing that Julia, Florinia, Amaria, and Titania all roomed together throughout school. But now, there's a divide. Florinia prefers isolation, but will hang around Julia, and Amaria was in a one-sided relationship with Titania. I have a feeling this is very important information, and that something happened between Titania and Florinia.

Maybe there was a love triangle, or Florinia knew Titania didn't love Amaria and didn't approve of it? Seems unlikely to me though, which I'll get to why.

As far as we know there was nothing noticeably physical, as neither Florinia nor Titania had physical injuries or disabilities that would be acquired through bodily trauma.

Seems like Florinia has some PTSD or something from a traumatic event that happened between them, as shutting down and "feeling no emotions" is her way of coping, or appearing to cope.

Also, I think Fern only said that as part of the hostage act.

The only interaction we see between Titania and Florinia is in the mansion.

Florinia is analyzing the structure, pointing out entrance points where team meteor can break in. She talks like a robot, as usual, then Titania says something crucial

"You ever gonna stop talking like that? It's been how many years and you're still overreacting?"

Which shows a correlation between Florinia's shutdown, and something that happened with Titania.

[FairFamily]

I like Fern. He's interesting.

I don't know where that one post I made about it is - I think it's sooomewhere in the E15 discussion, but I'm too lazy to find it.

Edit: Shit, that's a wall of text.

I really, really don't think that Fern is going to keep up his behavior for the whole rest of the story.

Now, I do agree that it's unlikely he'll suddenly turn around and be a friendly little sweetheart, but the trope "Good Is Not Nice" exists for a reason.

I think Fern is perfectly capable of coming to his senses about what side he should be on, and still be a jerk. Not everyone who fights for the same cause as you will always be your friend, or even a likable person to you.

With Fern, I always feel like there are two main issues for him.

First, he always, always gets overshadowed somehow. First by Florinia, who he is "only" the reserve leader for, and who appears to have been hugely popular during her trainer school days (more popular than Fern?), and later by the player, because no matter what Fern does, not only do you easily catch up with him, but you're also the one who gets sung all the praise.

Of course, we know that people don't like praising Fern because of his bragging and the way he insults the people he battles against, but everything about his attitude just reeks of someone who is very desperate for attention, to the point where he doesn't even care any more if it's good or bad attention.

At the end of E15, even Solaris compliments the player on their battling skills and shuts Fern down. I mean, wow, that must suck, especially when Florinia scolds him in front of everyone.

Second, whatever it is that happened to Rini, it affected him more than he's been able to handle.

There's a moment in E15 that I find especially memorable:

I'm not sure what I want to think happened during the Onyx School days of the leaders, but whatever happened, we know that Florinia felt deeply hurt, and decided that "shutting down" (probably more like, forcefully suppressing) her emotions would protect her from hurt in the future.

She's playing the role of the emotionless "Flobot" to keep herself out of more harm's way, but everyone else around her is left to deal with the change by themselves. Julia tries really hard to be the same as ever to her, she doesn't want to give up on her friend and I believe she refuses to accept Rini's current "situation" as the endgame.

Fern is effectively telling us in E15 that he feels like he has lost his sister. We don't know how their relationship was prior to the incident, but with Rini's decision to suppress her emotions, she made no exception for Fern, and treated him just as indifferently as everyone else.

We see it as early as during out first strike against Meteor - she "allows" Fern to be as dangerously reckless as possible (during the convo where she tells the player to stay safe). Of course he's already not being very nice to her at that time, but I can only imagine what it must have been like for Fern to watch his sister change so completely, never resolving the incident that hurt her, and refusing to deal with the consequences.

Rini refuses to consider the consequences, instead insisting that it's irrational for her friends to still be emotional about everything.

I don't know if Fern is so desperate for attention and recognition because of the situation with Florinia, or if he's always been someone who likes attention and everything's just been made worse by what happened back then.

But to me it feels like everything Fern does, from being outrageously arrogant and condescending, to joining Team Meteor, is a giant cry for attention.

He claims he joined Meteor so he can have his "rightful place at the top", and I feel like he is simply trying to create a situation in which people are forced to give him the recognition he can't seem to get from them otherwise.

Is he an immature dick for it? Yes. But I very much think Fern can come to his senses if only the problem between Rini and Tania would be resolved properly after all those years. Give that poor boy his sister back, maybe that'll be a start to helping him be less of a jerk.

That's a huge wall of text.

Not getting attention does indeed sound like Fern but there's something more. You see he doesn't resent his sister like Cal does, on the contrary he seems to idolise her: he still uses a grass typing and not fire or flying like Cal did against Blake, he tried to hold the main character off because he was not worthy and he considered Florinia the reason he lost against in the tag battle. On top of that he wanted for him and his sister to reach the top together with team meteor and even then he protected Florinia by placing her off limits. So what I consider is that in trainer school, Fern was actually not that popular at first but through his association with Florinia he got some popularity. It also came back at cost of huge expectations which he couldn't fill. The only support he probably got was from his sister which made him idolising her a lot more.

So based on this I think he doesn't want some random persons attention, I think he wants his sister back and prove the world he wasn't a loser. It doesn't justifies his actions though. The sad part is that Florinia tries to connect with Fern but he can't see it, probably because he can't accept that his idol has changed so much.

You brought up a lot of good points, and I just remembered something.

Remember when we first meet Hardy, how Fern states Hardy is "Jealous because I was top of the class, and Hardy was just some goof" (Not exact wording, but something like that)

While Florinia is older, she is also significantly smarter, since she is the headmaster. But, something even more important, is that Fern and Hardy both state their sisters "used to be friends"

Which we obviously know, seeing that Julia, Florinia, Amaria, and Titania all roomed together throughout school. But now, there's a divide. Florinia prefers isolation, but will hang around Julia, and Amaria was in a one-sided relationship with Titania. I have a feeling this is very important information, and that something happened between Titania and Florinia.

Maybe there was a love triangle, or Florinia knew Titania didn't love Amaria and didn't approve of it? Seems unlikely to me though, which I'll get to why.

As far as we know there was nothing noticeably physical, as neither Florinia nor Titania had physical injuries or disabilities that would be acquired through bodily trauma.

Seems like Florinia has some PTSD or something from a traumatic event that happened between them, as shutting down and "feeling no emotions" is her way of coping, or appearing to cope.

Also, I think Fern only said that as part of the hostage act.

The only interaction we see between Titania and Florinia is in the mansion.

Florinia is analyzing the structure, pointing out entrance points where team meteor can break in. She talks like a robot, as usual, then Titania says something crucial

"You ever gonna stop talking like that? It's been how many years and you're still overreacting?"

Which shows a correlation between Florinia's shutdown, and something that happened with Titania.

Well physical injuries are possible and would be most likely inflicted by Titania. The clothing Forinia can hide a lot of scars. Also I actually think that Florinia knew Tititania faked her relation with Amaria because even Amaria, the one Titania really doesn't want to know it is fake, knows something is amiss. So I think Florinia knew about the relation, didn't think it was fair for Amaria and would probably tell Amaria. Titania desparate to make sure Amria didn't kill herself, took out her honedge or doublade (which is how she got the idea to use it as a weapon later). She then either slashed Florinia or threathened her with it. Result: Florinia emotionally and/or physically scarred for life. Julia then probaly barged into the room and sees the scene, after making sure both calmed down got a response where Titania reveals that Amaria is suicidal and that she wants to protect her. So she asks if all of this can be covered up for Amaria' sake.Julia begrudgally aggrees and decide to not tell her. Florinia also would not tell her what happened most likely because of fear then anything.

Edited April 20, 2016 by FairFamily

[ZEL]

Oh I don't think he hates Florinia, not by any measure. I hope that's not how my post reads.

He's certainly resentful because of her apparent neglect, but the fact that he blows up in her face about how she didn't show enough care for him is proof enough that he wanted to be close to her.

He didn't say "I have no sister any more" lightly as a throwaway comment, he really did seem devastated at how she acted towards him at the Fiore Mansion.

[Kagamine]

That's a huge wall of text.

Not getting attention does indeed sound like Fern but there's something more. You see he doesn't resent his sister like Cal does, on the contrary he seems to idolise her: he still uses a grass typing and not fire or flying like Cal did against Blake, he tried to hold the main character off because he was not worthy and he considered Florinia the reason he lost against in the tag battle.

It was stated in-game that it's a family tradition to use all grass types. Fern also changes up, as he had to because Aya had a type advantage over him (Shelly did too, but bug types are generally worse off in stats than poison type, and have more weaknesses)

All of this talk about Fern's insecurity has me thinking way back to when you were on your way to fighting Florinia. Fern locks you out of one side of the gym, and when you make it to the door before Florinia, he still has to try to stop you by battling you.

I personally think this is a pride for himself, maybe familial too. I interpreted this as Fern just has a grudge or dissent for the player, and is basically a bully. Initially I thought he just targeted the player, because they saw him look like a fool in front of the old factory because he got the wrong location. But the way he treats Aya is uncalled for as well. I can understand Hardy, since there might be something that happened between them in the past, or perhaps it has something to do with Florinia and Titania.

Why do you think he targets the player? If it was out of jealousy, he wouldn't have been rude initially, because we were budding trainers and had no significant successes prior to meeting him.

[FairFamily]

Oh I don't think he hates Florinia, not by any measure. I hope that's not how my post reads.

He's certainly resentful because of her apparent neglect, but the fact that he blows up in her face about how she didn't show enough care for him is proof enough that he wanted to be close to her.

He didn't say "I have no sister any more" lightly as a throwaway comment, he really did seem devastated at how she acted towards him at the Fiore Mansion.

Not what I meant. What I want to highlight is that (if I recall correctly) Cal is also a neglected brother and that Fern's actions actually seems to hint towards the opposite (idolising his sister) which could be quite important to his character. Or at least that's what it means to me.

It was stated in-game that it's a family tradition to use all grass types. Fern also changes up, as he had to because Aya had a type advantage over him (Shelly did too, but bug types are generally worse off in stats than poison type, and have more weaknesses)

All of this talk about Fern's insecurity has me thinking way back to when you were on your way to fighting Florinia. Fern locks you out of one side of the gym, and when you make it to the door before Florinia, he still has to try to stop you by battling you.

I personally think this is a pride for himself, maybe familial too. I interpreted this as Fern just has a grudge or dissent for the player, and is basically a bully. Initially I thought he just targeted the player, because they saw him look like a fool in front of the old factory because he got the wrong location. But the way he treats Aya is uncalled for as well. I can understand Hardy, since there might be something that happened between them in the past, or perhaps it has something to do with Florinia and Titania.

Why do you think he targets the player? If it was out of jealousy, he wouldn't have been rude initially, because we were budding trainers and had no significant successes prior to meeting him.

Didn't knew about the grass tradition. Also what pkmn did shelly switch in that wasn't bug?

I have problem with the familly pride argument. If it was family pride why didn't he keep the grass types when fought against Aya? I mean grass is a quite versitile element which has quite some counters to poison (torterra, exeggutor, gourgeist, trevenant). You could say game mechanics but Ame still can make other monotypes quite dangerous why not grass?

Actually Fern trashed Shelly when he talks about her and he was disdainful about Cain as well. So he doesn't target you. The only thing he actually talks nice is either about himself (duh) or Florinia which could be familly pride but I doubt that. He was quite harsher against Aya but that could be because he actually lost a few times against her. Or maybe he bashes her harder because she is more open about her own insecurities and Fern consider those as a weakness.

[Hymdall]

It was stated in-game that it's a family tradition to use all grass types. Fern also changes up, as he had to because Aya had a type advantage over him (Shelly did too, but bug types are generally worse off in stats than poison type, and have more weaknesses)

All of this talk about Fern's insecurity has me thinking way back to when you were on your way to fighting Florinia. Fern locks you out of one side of the gym, and when you make it to the door before Florinia, he still has to try to stop you by battling you.

I personally think this is a pride for himself, maybe familial too. I interpreted this as Fern just has a grudge or dissent for the player, and is basically a bully. Initially I thought he just targeted the player, because they saw him look like a fool in front of the old factory because he got the wrong location. But the way he treats Aya is uncalled for as well. I can understand Hardy, since there might be something that happened between them in the past, or perhaps it has something to do with Florinia and Titania.

Why do you think he targets the player? If it was out of jealousy, he wouldn't have been rude initially, because we were budding trainers and had no significant successes prior to meeting him.

I have to imagine that it's been a fairly decent amount of time before an up and coming trainer has come from OUTSIDE of the Reborn region. Both Cain and Victoria both reside from various places inside of Reborn, and ergo will have had some sort of history with Fern one way or another, be it through Onyx Academy or jsut general passings by. So when he sees this new upstart show up, and pretty much IMMEDIATELY one up him, it feels to me it set off a switch in him. Fern obviously has SOMETHING he wants to prove, for whatever reason, be it arrogance, pride, or some other such nonsense. He probably sees this "fresh meat" as a way to assert dominance, and yet you keep beating his ass into the ground(as he rightly deserves I might add), he grows increasingly more and more angry and of putting. Compare the team up in the...Mosswater? I forget which one-Factory vs the encounter after Corey's death. In the Factory, he's condescending and rude, yes, but overall he's cooperative and helpful. When you meet him on the bridge, it's after two defeats: In front of the wrong Factory and then after he tried to stop you from fighting Florinia out of some twisted version of familial pride. Now, you're starting to get under his nerves, you've started to show him that maybe he isn't all that, that sometimes random strangers are gonna be able to put you down. And I think that really starts to set him off even more. He's clearly got a superiority complex of some sort, and with you CONSTANTLY upstaging him, it's bound to cause some animosity.

Or you know, I could be talking completely out of my ass and Fern's just a huge dickweed and needs to be put in the ground. You know, as you do.

[Amethyst]

Percentage bop.

All the remapping is done. Apophyll and Azurine were pretty quick (aside from recoloring every grain of sand...... twice..............)

apophyll color comparison (and magical transformation because it amuses me) below

Before I break into eventing, which is going to be the next grind (I have to change pretty much every teleport event in the city, not to mention all the NPC dialogues) I'll be mapping a new sidequest area connected to the city. Concurrently I'm also going to have Inuki starting on another sidequest dungeon since I've realized I really don't need to micro-manage optional areas.

For when I do eventing, I need more items and stuff to throw into clever places. I haven't really kept track of it, so what are some items in the game that you guys don't have access to (or don't have -enough- access to, like stones)? Mega-stones and TMs need not apply.

[Ice Cream Sand Witch]

idk why but seeing "Updated 4/20" in the status thread made me lol so hard.

[Odybld]

For when I do eventing, I need more items and stuff to throw into clever places. I haven't really kept track of it, so what are some items in the game that you guys don't have access to (or don't have -enough- access to, like stones)? Mega-stones and TMs need not apply.

Not available, from worst to best: all Incenses except Rose, Shell Bell, Flame Orb, King's Rock (technically available), Weakness Policy, Expert Belt, Lefties (well, technically available), Sashes, Choice Items

Stones: documented in my guide (third spoiler tag) with the most lacking ones being Sun Stone (only one outside of mining, hidden), Water Stone (has the most lines that it evolves and the second available one is the farthest one too), Dawn Stone (only one exists in the game so far)

Linkstones are also cool, don't forget the Route 2 stone that became unreachable from the removal of a platform.

[Fumble]

Another Dusk Stone, Dawn Stone, and/or Shiny Stone could be useful, seeing how they can't be obtainable from mining, although they are going to be purchasable from the Dept Store soon.

I guess Incenses could also be added since there's only the Rose Incense available, although most of them have the same effect as other Items so their only major purpose is for breeding.

Hopefully more competitively useful items aren't too much to ask for? I don't think Muscle Band, Wise Glasses, or Expert Belt are available yet. Leftovers and Choice Scarf could also be nice; I don't think they're too good for the game to handle by now (Leftovers is technically available already and Choice Scarf only gives a Speed increase). Band and Specs might be a bit too good, idk.

edit: Shell Bell, Weakness Policy, and Flame Orb are also unavailable as Ody said above, and I think they could be added too by E16

AV is also unavailable aside from episode reversion but that might be too good

also give incinerate flamethrower's already available :[