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tfw episode 16 will probably come out in the middle of my final exams this year and ill have to prioritise equal amounts of time to both study and this :(

I know I shouldn't get my hopes up but i'm thinking it will be done before the end of the school year. I could be wrong but the progress made recently is big.

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About the ominous prediction, there are mentions of Lin having multiple personalities, aren't there?

idk about multiple personalities but some people think the girl crawling on the wall and also an episode 13 silhouette for Reborn's title screen at the time was a younger version of Lin, for which a sprite exists.

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You're a funny guy.

Anyway, maybe the possible death of Zel is just that?

Like Zero, Evelynn and Lumi unfuse and everyone lives happily ever after?

So only the being known as Zel dies?

Please?

2 characters dying, which means "zel" and one of the 3, i vote zero

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If Foamy was right about the three blurred-out names on the relationship variable picture being Eve, Lumi, and Taka, I think it'd be Zero saying goodbye. After they unfuse, maybe Eve and/or Lumi do something to him for being the reason they fused together (although neither seems like the type to do that), or maybe he just runs away, or betrays Team Meteor for Eve and Lumi.

I think every character listed on the relationship variable table picture is safe (which IIRC is everyone except Ame, Lin, Solaris, Sirius, Corey, Kiki, and presumably Zero). I remember it being said we'd be able to do sidequests with those characters depending on the variables (and that we'd still get to do them even with low variables, we'd just have to work harder) and I imagine those will be really late game and/or postgame. So I don't think we'd be saying goodbye in any way, shape, or form to one of those.

Where is this "relationship variable table" I assume it's basically a chart of your positive and negative relationships with the different characters, but I have yet to see it. I can't find it anywhere on this post so would you mind telling me where I can find it?

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Listen guys i know its of topic but its bugging me for while how/when will we get Rock climb and if it could be learnt by more than 6 current pokemons so we dont have to change teams that much cos i think rock climb will be helping us get to Calceona city (my thoughts) + do u guys read manga Pocket Monsters Special its there the same thing with Mr.Mime barrier but im not sure if we will be destroying it like they did (Red/Blue)

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Listen guys i know its of topic but its bugging me for while how/when will we get Rock climb and if it could be learnt by more than 6 current pokemons so we dont have to change teams that much cos i think rock climb will be helping us get to Calceona city (my thoughts) + do u guys read manga Pocket Monsters Special its there the same thing with Mr.Mime barrier but im not sure if we will be destroying it like they did (Red/Blue)

If i didn't wrong, Scrafty is able to learn it through leveling( i forgot at what level ) :huh:

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If i didn't wrong, Scrafty is able to learn it through leveling( i forgot at what level ) :huh:

Pretty much everyone can catch a Tauros in Route1 so if you don't want to mess with your Scrafty's moveset, go find yourself a friendly bull and ride it.

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Where is this "relationship variable table" I assume it's basically a chart of your positive and negative relationships with the different characters, but I have yet to see it. I can't find it anywhere on this post so would you mind telling me where I can find it?

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There was also that one time when a certain traitor of the Jedi who also slaughtered many padawan children killed his own wife by force choking her. However, she survived to give birth, but it was said she actually died because she lost the will to live after seeing her husband join the dark side.

...Off topic a little bit, yes, but mentally dying isn't too far off in Reborn.

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I just noticed, Anna is listed as number 2 on the relationship values chart. That means there is a number 1 that we don't know about, could it be Ame? Lin? That means counting the 3 blurred out names ( that we speculate to be Lumi, Evelynn, and Taka ), there are 4 mystery people. Also there's something I've been curious about regarding the relationship values since they were first reveled, and that I'd like to hear other opinions on. So I don't think Ame talked about this when she first showed us the relationship values chart, but I just might not remember ( that tends to happen a lot with me :P ). Are the numbers shown the max/min values for each character, or are they just random examples of what someone could have. Like for instance Titania, her values are +5/-8. Does this mean that your maximum relationship value with Titania is 5, or does it mean that there are 13 point giving interactions with her and in this example the player made 5 good decisions and 8 bad decisions, and that hypothetically your values with Titania could be +13/0?

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I just noticed, Anna is listed as number 2 on the relationship values chart. That means there is a number 1 that we don't know about, could it be Ame? Lin? That means counting the 3 blurred out names ( that we speculate to be Lumi, Evelynn, and Taka ), there are 4 mystery people. Also there's something I've been curious about regarding the relationship values since they were first reveled, and that I'd like to hear other opinions on. So I don't think Ame talked about this when she first showed us the relationship values chart, but I just might not remember ( that tends to happen a lot with me :P ). Are the numbers shown the max/min values for each character, or are they just random examples of what someone could have. Like for instance Titania, her values are +5/-8. Does this mean that your maximum relationship value with Titania is 5, or does it mean that there are 13 point giving interactions with her and in this example the player made 5 good decisions and 8 bad decisions, and that hypothetically your values with Titania could be +13/0?

IIRC, when Ame posted this picture she said these were the ones she had done up to that point in time (meaning not the final values). Also it's possible the hidden first line isn't actually a person but the name of the code used for relationship variables.

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As ICSW said, it's more likely she isn't hiding anyone, just the code or title of the relationship values.

Also the table shows the max and the min values. Some of your choices may produce only positive or only negative marks for each character you see with unequal distribution. An example to that may be Titania who would love it if you gave her an Ice Cream Sand Witch, but wouldn't exactly hold a grudge if you didn't have one on you at the time. This also means that some choices may matter more than others (positive +1, negative -3, doing something negative during battle -1).

Tracing what choice improves which relationship may be a little tricky, as we've discussed in the past, because remote choices like saving a certain Nidorina may improve your relationship with Cain, or burning a certain field may reduce your points with an orphan or two.

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I just noticed, Anna is listed as number 2 on the relationship values chart. That means there is a number 1 that we don't know about, could it be Ame? Lin?

We've met every major character by now.

The program this is from keeps track of the number of lines of text; it's not inherently a list, and it's more likely there's just a blank line at the top of the file.

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IIRC, when Ame posted this picture she said these were the ones she had done up to that point in time (meaning not the final values). Also it's possible the hidden first line isn't actually a person but the name of the code used for relationship variables.

The first line of any section is called a class which nobody but coders and game makers really care about. Judging from the way it's written, these values alone mean absolutely nothing so there's likely a bit more code below regardless. Does this list mean all the characters listed are safe though? Honestly, you'd have to be kidding with yourself as someone could still die and their relationship value be used in the post game. A character not listed also does not confirm they are going to die in the story either.

Though talking about those relationship points, I'm probably in the minority who'd rather that it not be a thing. If anything is unlocked or blocked by choices, that limits the amount you can explore to these characters which I feel all of them you should be allowed to even if you make a wrong choice. What if you wanted to learn more about El, but that would require not obtaining the best ending. In fact the villains are the most interesting characters in the game imo. But getting the high points on them may cause your favorite character to hate you and maybe your second favorite character's backstory gets locked out. Most of this is coming from the huge 40+ character cast.

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I hope we will actually get to fight Lin in Episode 16. Though Im probably gonna regret I just said that. My guess is, that she will use overpowered shadow pokemon.

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I hope we will actually get to fight Lin in Episode 16. Though Im probably gonna regret I just said that. My guess is, that she will use overpowered shadow pokemon.

Shadow Pokemon isn't one of Reborn's features. I seriously doubt if Ame's going to introduce it this late into the game.

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Shadow Pokemon isn't one of Reborn's features. I seriously doubt if Ame's going to introduce it this late into the game.

Too bad. It would have made perfect sense for Lin to use them, as she's all about "no emotions, just power." Nevertheless, Im looking forward to finally fight her.

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Now that we return to the city, it would be interesting to see powerful trainers aid in its reconstruction. The people in the Grand Hall are affected as much as everyone so they should be helping Adrienn at the very least. So , if while we're discovering the refurbished areas in Jasper, Apophyll or Tanzan we could battle those people and some even award us rare items for our service, that would be great.

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Too bad. It would have made perfect sense for Lin to use them, as she's all about "no emotions, just power." Nevertheless, Im looking forward to finally fight her.

Maybe Reborn version of Shadow Pokémon would be Pulse Pokémon.

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Now that we return to the city, it would be interesting to see powerful trainers aid in its reconstruction. The people in the Grand Hall are affected as much as everyone so they should be helping Adrienn at the very least. So , if while we're discovering the refurbished areas in Jasper, Apophyll or Tanzan we could battle those people and some even award us rare items for our service, that would be great.

I would love that.

​I think it would a be a great time to rebattle the trainers/gym leaders that were low level like Julia or the FloBot

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