Pokemon Revolution

[Solarance]

*sits patiently*

[Omega_Ra1der]

As for the Tentcruel Supreme (...I'm just going to call them Amps from now on). That sounds like a waste of resources. Maybe think of something that could take control of an army of tentacruels if amplified.

Maybe I could be on the scene using my Electrivire cables to spread the power but in logic. both Electrivire would get the SUPREME's amp which is unintentional. And I am a Electric gym leader...

[Tringus]

Hmmm... You are right about the media part, Commander. Perhaps one of the Admins would be in charge of the Radio Tower, or something like that... Like Kyler! That would give him something else to do other than just being the Recon of the Black November. Kinda like how Omega is the Brute Force of the Black November, but he's also Trevore's Bodyguard as well.

The thing about the Tentacruel part, however, I'm going to have to elaborate on. The SUPREME machines are what control the Pokemon, and amplify their power. Remember how in Reborn, there are multiple machines of the PULSE-Tangrowth? It would kinda be like that for the Tentacruels.

[SnowGlaceon]

That's a perfect idea, Snow! It's like Team Meteor in a way, one does not simply leave alive knowing too much! And then, the Black November could twist it around to the media, and say that it was an 'accident' that killed the parents.

Exactly!

I'm not denying this idea at all, but it seems like Snow is being put into a lot of scenarios. I'd keep the option of being open to a different character (maybe one of the player's rivals...or maybe a new character entirely). Now here's my question: how did he pass away or did he pass away? I'd suggest something outside of killed by terrorists (I literally roll my eyes every time I see that one because of how much it's suggested). Then tell me why you chose that.

I agree. I like the idea, (I don't mind at all that you picked my character, it's a bit flattering actually) and you were right about my character being the kind of guy to do that, but maybe we should use someone else for your idea.

In any case, if he heard such rumors, the first thing he'd do would be to gather more information. Try to verify them. If they turn out to be true, then he would confront Erebus and try to persuade him to change his mind. What happens after that depends on what Erebus does in response to his request.

(and replying to the whole Snow concept)

Not a bad idea, but how was BN able to achieve such control on the media? (That's an answer that'll start getting you on the right foot on building the terrorist group)

Well, they want an all mechanized world, right? It wouldn't be too hard to advertise their ideals, saying that they could better the world. Maybe do what Ghetsis did at the beginning of B/W, with the speech and all. TV adds, posters, rallies, all that stuff. As for Snow's parents... I didn't give them a profession (whoops), so let's say they were scientists, and the idea of creating machines to help humanity appealed to them, so they joined BN. That raises the question of why BN started the terrorist attacks though... I don't think that's been answered yet. Maybe to get peoples attention? Persuade them to invest in machiens that could protect them? I dunno. At least we're getting some background now.

[Jacobliterator]

I'm seeing a lot of cool ideas. Especially the idea about Kyler taking over the media to advertise our desires and control the media.

[Commander]

Hmmm... You are right about the media part, Commander. Perhaps one of the Admins would be in charge of the Radio Tower, or something like that... Like Kyler! That would give him something else to do other than just being the Recon of the Black November. Kinda like how Omega is the Brute Force of the Black November, but he's also Trevore's Bodyguard as well.

The thing about the Tentacruel part, however, I'm going to have to elaborate on. The SUPREME machines are what control the Pokemon, and amplify their power. Remember how in Reborn, there are multiple machines of the PULSE-Tangrowth? It would kinda be like that for the Tentacruels.

(This is the part that gets difficult for me to give advice due to how little info I know about). I'm sure you're well informed about Freedom of the Press, but there are limitations to it even in America. In order for news like that not to leak out (as well as other information), a lot of failsafes would need to be created as well as an iron hand over the publishing industry. This is likely some task you'd want a single individual to flesh out and research on due to how vastly different this could be from real life. I don't know how technology or media works in Jacob's game world so it's a good idea to get that straightened out as well as the laws for media production. I mean you don't have to do thorough research but having some background knowledge will help make this section flow well.

As for the Tentacruel, I'm not against anything. You just need to have a reason for including it and what exactly this Supreme machine does to the Pokemon (I'd also go for a catchier name, but that's just me). I'd start getting more into the mechanics, but make sure the programmer(s) and spriters will be capable of doing this before going too deep into it.

I'm seeing a lot of cool ideas. Especially the idea about Kyler taking over the media to advertise our desires and control the media.

Just a little bit of advice: give feedback on some of these ideas. I can help with hammering out these ideas, but I can't be you. It's your idea, so the more involved you are in the discussions the better. Your input is critical to what stays and what gets chucked in front of a train.

[Jacobliterator]

On an earlier post, and my gym post, I requested that my character take the same role that Cheren did in BW2. He has a vendetta against BN, and actively helps the player fight them, even before the player earns his badge. I also thought it would be cool if the gym leader before me (#7. Ghost, I think. The split personality guy) used to be a friend of my character, but as he got more involved in the cult they began to hate each other and frequently fight. I thought it would be nice to have a leader on the good side, since most applications imply the leaders are either bad, unaware, or indifferent. What do you think?

I quite like this idea. It could lead to some interesting story elements.

[Frostilicious]

I have an idea that I really haven't seen so far in any game i've played. What if the leader of a team-project of the villains actually gets to be of a character who the main protagonist has actually fought bad guys with. Not Ren style, but a guy/girl that was specifically assigned by the enemies to follow them around and even mess with their "plans" so they could earn the protagonist's trust? That would prove a really big turn of events in the story.

That way the evil team(s) will be one step ahead and the protagonist will still have their victories.

Edited August 25, 2015 by timbla

[Jacobliterator]

It was just an idea, I'm not even sure if Jacob will put me as an auto "recon" member of the BN.

(And the writer in me is screaming sue right now). Cliche really depends on what you're looking at. I don't think the raiding of a town is cliche (close, but not quite) so I won't touch up on that. The whole Palkia thing would lead into a sue incident (and why they hell would you offer Palkia to join. If anything, you'd be asking to join them...not the other way around).

The way Pokemon (especially legendaries) should be distributed through a hierarchy. The better Pokemon go to the higher ups (due to their knowledge, power, and authority) and rookies would be lucky if they are kept and not killed. Rookies are disposable until they are proven to be reliable and trustworthy. (And no one starts above a grunt...unless you are a required tool for a plan).

Neutrality is fine, but Titania was not neutral...ever. If anything, Titania was fully against Meteor. The reason she teamed up with them is to keep them away from Amaria and the Sapphire Bracelet. She even took off with the item to keep Amaria safe.

And just some advice, declaring stuff like that would make me less likely to get you involved with the main plot (I'm being hypothetical because I said I'm not writing this storyline). Why would I want to do something when you're limiting the options I have when I have a boatload of other characters who I could use in so many different ways? When I do plot, I generally try to note which characters really stick out and fit certain scenarios. Some would be better being able to pop up a lot, while others would benefit better for being a one time thing.

An idea for Kyler. Maybe when his town was raided, a member of his family (Parents, wife, etc.) goes missing in the raid and Kyler joins to take control of the media as a method of trying to find them.

[Solarance]

An idea for Kyler. Maybe when his town was raided, a member of his family (Parents, wife, etc.) goes missing in the raid and Kyler joins to take control of the media as a method of trying to find them.

lol, the parent going missing is very similar to Nitros start.

[Tempo17]

I have an idea that I really haven't seen so far in any game i've played. What if the leader of a team-project of the villains actually gets to be of a character who the main protagonist has actually fought bad guys with. Not Ren style, but a guy/girl that was specifically assigned by the enemies to follow them around and even mess with their "plans" so they could earn the protagonist's trust? That would prove a really big turn of events in the story.

That way the evil team(s) will be one step ahead and the protagonist will still have their victories.

That sounds like it could be a good idea. It would all depend on when the betrayal would come in though. Also you would have to given enough depth to the character to make us feel bad about being betrayed when they return to the other side.

[Tringus]

A better name for the machines themselves? Hmm... I had the whole acronym system planned out, though. However, If I think of a better name with some acronyms, I'll think of it, but for now, SUPREME works.

Of course Kyler alone wouldn't pull off the operation of taking control of the Radio Tower. He would have to have help from some grunts and cultists to pull it off. However, what I'm thinking now, is that this would be the perfect spot for the SUPREME-Malamar idea, which is how they can also control the media. I don't know if a SUPREME-Malamar would count as a failsafe, bu if so, that could definitely work.

As for the SUPREME-Tentacruel, they would be there to prevent any potential strong trainers from reaching the next town. Team Ultima doesn't want anybody stopping them, right? SUPREME-Tentacruel could eliminate that problem in the seas by shipwrecking boats, and either kidnapping or killing anyone aboard. Like I said about the capturing part, they would just take any prisoners to the underwater base so that Team Ultima and the Black November can interrogate them. And after interrogation, they would simply kill the prisoners.

[Jacobliterator]

Awesome. Just awesome. That is definitely a cool idea.

[Frostilicious]

This character could easily be one of the friends of the protagonist whom he meets after the 2nd-3rd badge (after having messed with the evil team's plans once or twice already) and could be planned so that the 3rd-4th gym leader is part of the organization and the gym leader's absens is the reason they meet. Also it could very well add to the evil team that instead of wondering what this trainer has and beats them everytime, they actually do something to find out. I've thought even more on to this, but i'll wait for opinions before i move onwards.

Edited August 25, 2015 by timbla

[Tempo17]

Well here is another thing that my character could do since it is in the last position as gym leader and could also give more plot ideas. Since my character would have access to planes maybe what could happen is that one of the leaders of the enemy organizations could commission a job for me to build a plane for research purposes but instead they use it to get the the place where "x" resource is in order to complete their goals or maybe even the legendary pokemon itself. My character would then try to fix his mistake by helping the main protagonist. "Why would they come to me in the first place?" Well Johnny is a leading expert on travel in hostile conditions. This area that the plane would need to travel would not only have horrendous weather to travel in but also have dangerous pokemon to deal with (yet again late game stuff so maybe pokemon like dragonite, hydreigon, gyarados, etc. could be obtainable here since they player would have to go through a majority of the game without them. It would depend of what area it needs to travel in, I was thinking either an island or mountain but I am open to suggestions). "Why would Johnny agree to help them in the first place" Well at his core he just wants to experience the world and all it has to offer and share that with the world. If he can build this machine that would allow people to safely visit parts of the world previously unexplored then he would want to be apart of that.

This could be done several ways: 1) I built a plane, they took it and left without us, so I build another plane on the fly to go after them, 2) Be on the plane with them in the first place, they try to take the plane over and we take it back, 2.5) Fail in taking the plane back but wreck it upon landing and then taking the wreckage and making another plane while the protagonist stops their plans. 3) My character went on the plane with them, found out what they were doing and then tries to stop them and sent back skarmory as a messenger to get help which the main protagonist would receive. Here are just a few ideas about what could happen.

I could always come up with more ideas and tweak the ones I already have. Please grill me as hard as you can. The more stuff we can get out of the way and polish now they less work we will have to do later.

[Jacobliterator]

Well here is another thing that my character could do since it is in the last position as gym leader and could also give more plot ideas. Since my character would have access to planes maybe what could happen is that one of the leaders of the enemy organizations could commission a job for me to build a plane for research purposes but instead they use it to get the the place where "x" resource is in order to complete their goals or maybe even the legendary pokemon itself. My character would then try to fix his mistake by helping the main protagonist. "Why would they come to me in the first place?" Well Johnny is a leading expert on travel in hostile conditions. This area that the plane would need to travel would not only have horrendous weather to travel in but also have dangerous pokemon to deal with (yet again late game stuff so maybe pokemon like dragonite, hydreigon, gyarados, etc. could be obtainable here since they player would have to go through a majority of the game without them. It would depend of what area it needs to travel in, I was thinking either an island or mountain but I am open to suggestions). "Why would Johnny agree to help them in the first place" Well at his core he just wants to experience the world and all it has to offer and share that with the world. If he can build this machine that would allow people to safely visit parts of the world previously unexplored then he would want to be apart of that.

This could be done several ways: 1) I built a plane, they took it and left without us, so I build another plane on the fly to go after them, 2) Be on the plane with them in the first place, they try to take the plane over and we take it back, 2.5) Fail in taking the plane back but wreck it upon landing and then taking the wreckage and making another plane while the protagonist stops their plans. 3) My character went on the plane with them, found out what they were doing and then tries to stop them and sent back skarmory as a messenger to get help which the main protagonist would receive. Here are just a few ideas about what could happen.

I could always come up with more ideas and tweak the ones I already have. Please grill me as hard as you can. The more stuff we can get out of the way and polish now they less work we will have to do later.

Hmm......How about this. Team Ultima are creating a machine to wipe the region clean. Maybe they could trick Johnny into making an integral part of the machine.

[Jacobliterator]

Idea have I one! In my region I plan to have a large city in the center with a large tower in the center of that city. Sound familiar? Don't blame you. But here's the twist, it's where the Elite Four and Champion hang out. As you climb the tower, you fight the Elite Four leading to a climactic Champion battle at the top. When you gain all 18 badges, Team Ultima and Black November make a final stand and take over the tower with sheer numbers. Instead of the Elite Four, you fight the Black November Clan Admins and Leader and when you reach the top, you find Imperius has defeated the champion and challenges you to one final climactic battle for the fate of the region.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Jacobliterator

[Solarance]

Idea have I one! In my region I plan to have a large city in the center with a large tower in the center of that city. Sound familiar? Don't blame you. But here's the twist, it's where the Elite Four and Champion hang out. As you climb the tower, you fight the Elite Four leading to a climactic Champion battle at the top. When you gain all 18 badges, Team Ultima and Black November make a final stand and take over the tower with sheer numbers. Instead of the Elite Four, you fight the Black November Clan Admins and Leader and when you reach the top, you find Imperius has defeated the champion and challenges you to one final climactic battle for the fate of the region.

So in a sense the Black City tower/White Forest tree challenge from B/W2?

Edited August 25, 2015 by Solarance

[Jacobliterator]

So in a sense the Black City tower/White Forest tree challenge from B/W2?

Not sure. I've never been there. Never found the need to.

[Solarance]

Not sure. I've never been there. Never found the need to.

You climb/go under the Tower/Tree and go through different rooms to battle trainers, you defeat an boss trainer and you move to the next florr. At the top you fight Benga, Alder's grandson.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Solarance

[SnowGlaceon]

Idea have I one! In my region I plan to have a large city in the center with a large tower in the center of that city. Sound familiar? Don't blame you. But here's the twist, it's where the Elite Four and Champion hang out. As you climb the tower, you fight the Elite Four leading to a climactic Champion battle at the top. When you gain all 18 badges, Team Ultima and Black November make a final stand and take over the tower with sheer numbers. Instead of the Elite Four, you fight the Black November Clan Admins and Leader and when you reach the top, you find Imperius has defeated the champion and challenges you to one final climactic battle for the fate of the region.

So kinda like how BW ended. Okay, but you might not want to make that city available until the end of the game.

[Jacobliterator]

You climb/go under the Tower/Tree and go through different rooms to battle trainers, you defeat an boss trainer and you move to the next florr. At the top you fight Benga, Alder's son.

Probably not. Just your standard Elite Four set. You, Dusk, Omega and Trevore being the Elite Four and me as the Champion.

[Jacobliterator]

So kinda like how BW ended. Okay, but you might not want to make that city available until the end of the game.

I agree. The trainer could work their way around the region and when they have all 18 badges, they can access the city.

[Tringus]

Since it is a tower, I would imagine that the Ultimate Weapon would be at the top of it, or at Ultima's main H.Q., right? And then after that whole climatic battle, the hero would finally get to battle the Elite Four, or the credits would play like BW, and THEN the Elite Four.

[Jacobliterator]

It would probably be at the top of the tower, they would take down Imperius, the credits would roll and then fihting the Elite Four and Champ could be a post game thing.