Pokemon Revolution

[pbood2]

Oh okay thanks for the information aqua and PBX5. I didn't know it was heart swap but that makes total sense. I'm just a goof sometimes haha.

Commander when you come back, please let me know about what you think of my comments on my 2:08 pm EST post if possible. Thanks.

[Commander]

Oh okay thanks for the information aqua and PBX5. I didn't know it was heart swap but that makes total sense. I'm just a goof sometimes haha.

Commander when you come back, please let me know about what you think of my comments on my 2:08 pm EST post if possible. Thanks.

Not much to comment on. Arceus in this game I'd consider a guardian who tries to keep order. He probably won't appear too much because he doesn't care about small problems. People blowing up a town or city: not his problem. Something screwing up the fabric of space of the world and possibly ripping it slowly to pieces: problem. I don't want him to be the main focus though. I just know legendaries are going to have a big emphasis in this kind of like Insurgence.

[pbood2]

Oh okay that makes sense.

Here are the comments if you didn't see them:

How many arcs are you planning? I like the idea that the two are completely different groups Commander.

Cool cool I love the ideas you have so far and so is this where our admins of BN are active or is that later on in the story? What do you mean by battles don't need to be designed yet. If they are capturing Darkrai and Cress near the end, shouldn't there be a battle each to symbolize it? Can I be the one to try to catch darkrai?

This sounds cool and the leader is Trevo's character right? I think the final cult leader and player battle should be like a boss battle not a force win.

Who are the admins of Team Ultima at this point?

Also if you are planning on doing Insurgence type of thing, then that's awesome because I love the plentiful legends that Insurgence features in the story.

[Tringus]

Hmm... After some careful reading, I'd have to say you guys are a bit right on the Groudon part. I should at least give Trevore SOME morality, right? I was thinking of an ultimatum situation during that part, but I didn't think that was too far. I didn't necessarily want to copy the whole falling into the lava bit, so I figured, "Why not have him feed her to Groudon if the hero refuses to cooperate?" But yeah, even then, I wouldn't really know. Trevore would have probably done it just because she would be one less of a problem to them (If she also helped battle BN before the events from the train up to that point).

However... In terms of morality, I would probably go with him having a mix between good and evil (Although he leans towards evil progressively). He's evil, but because of his past, he still feels bound to his own strings of morality, kinda like a puppet (Remember how the character of Rejuvenation's mother Nancy was like a puppet?) I'm thinking that he would still attempt to kill, but not as dark as the whole Groudon thing. He has seen death, one too many times. Heck, he was nearly killed a couple of times before, too. After seeing people die too many times, he would feel that it was normal It's like Llama's with Hats. I'm not sure if anybody's seen it, but Paul got so used to seeing people die, but eventually wanted Carl to keep killing people), and so that would be why Trevore eventually wouldn't care anymore. Although when it comes to terms of good and evil, I would say he's Lawful or Neutrally Evil, because he wouldn't just go pushing one of the hero's rivals into a volcano, feeding her to Groudon for no reason, whatsoever. Since the hero would have already encountered BN before even meeting Trevore, he would already be aware of the hero's meddling, and so he would try his best to put a stop to the hero's interference before the hero does more damage to the cult. And knowing that the BN kills people already (Snow's family, Leon's parents, etc), it would be safe to say that Trevore would have no problem attempting to kill one of the hero's rivals. I don't know if this contradicts anything I said, but if it does, Forgive me.

While the Groudon part was a bit too insane (Probably going to change that if it's absolutely too dark), what do you guys think about the Underwater Hideout part?

Oh, and pbood, you wanted to know how Jirachi would defeat Groudon, right? Hax. Lots and lots of hax.

[Commander]

There's a lot going on so I'll try to answer your questions best I can. Just no that a full fledged plot is nowhere near written or established from my perspective.

BN will exist in the story and have their moments in later arks but picture them more of a unit in Ultima. They won't be nearly as powerful and in a way be dogs to Imperius. I'm not too worried about battles because they can be done even after a story is written. As for Darkrai, you could if you wanted. I don't think there's an established Ultima plot yet.

Yes and by force win, I actually mean you have to win to continue (which is kind of what you're saying). That'll be something that can be worked out later since it's a quick and easy decision.

As for the admins, I have no bloody idea what's going to happen to them. I know there are three in which Jamak's was planned for a media takeover. That's pretty much it off the top of my head. I know there's more, but I don't feel like picking for skin and bones right.

I haven't really touched insurgence, but you guys are kind of forcing me to play the legendaries theme card at this point. I suppose it might have similarities to the game. From the small bit I've seen, the characterization seems to be a little lackluster which is my biggest priority in this project. Making all character memorable is a difficult challenge, but I'm up for a challenge in my strong suit.

[pbood2]

The underwater part was amazing and a great idea especially with the body swapping like Commander said earlier.

LMAO to the jirachi with hax part especially because wouldn't powered up Groudon outspeed Jirachi's 100 speed and just flamethrower it at least.

[pbood2]

There's a lot going on so I'll try to answer your questions best I can. Just no that a full fledged plot is nowhere near written or established from my perspective.

I thought while I was away for the 3 days, a basic storyline had been made and discussed such as the train part I didn't know about or this media thing you are referring to later on in this quote.

BN will exist in the story and have their moments in later arks but picture them more of a unit in Ultima. They won't be nearly as powerful and in a way be dogs to Imperius. I'm not too worried about battles because they can be done even after a story is written. As for Darkrai, you could if you wanted. I don't think there's an established Ultima plot yet.

I would love to go after Darkrai but that's up to the rest of the admins of BN and Jacob to help decide. Aren't you working on the Ultima plot for now?

Yes and by force win, I actually mean you have to win to continue (which is kind of what you're saying). That'll be something that can be worked out later since it's a quick and easy decision.

Oh oops I thought force win was where Solaris had the lvl 75 garchomp on the volcano and it bodies the player kind of thing but yeah where player need to win is the battle I was meaning.

As for the admins, I have no bloody idea what's going to happen to them. I know there are three in which Jamak's was planned for a media takeover. That's pretty much it off the top of my head. I know there's more, but I don't feel like picking for skin and bones right.

I haven't really touched insurgence, but you guys are kind of forcing me to play the legendaries theme card at this point. I suppose it might have similarities to the game. From the small bit I've seen, the characterization seems to be a little lackluster which is my biggest priority in this project. Making all character memorable is a difficult challenge, but I'm up for a challenge in my strong suit.

Insurgence is good and characterization in my opinion is at least decent because you really get into their characters or at least I do. Good luck making each character something special and memorable because with everybody's different thoughts on their characters it will be tough to do and so a challenge you will most likely have. I always find legends is a good storyplot as long as it doesn't get too hectic and still flows and is nicely done.

[Tringus]

The battle where Solaris sends out a level 75 Garchomp against you was supposed to be an impossible battle, not necessarily a force-win. However, people could find their own ways to beat Solaris. At first, there was just a simple dialogue change if the player wins. However, when Episode 15 was released, another split-story event was made, and that battle with Solaris, whether the player wins or loses, determines what happens in that event.

I'm a bit confused about BN and Team Ultima, though. In one post, you said that BN was a more deadlier foe than Team Ultima. In another, you said that they won't be as powerful as Team Ultima. However, going by this, I'm assuming that you mean that they're not as powerful in numbers, right? Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

Oh, and pbood, to further answer your question about how a small Jirachi can take down a powerful SUPREME-Groudon... It's also kinda like how Jirachi took down the Fake Groudon in the Jirachi movie. I forget how it gained the power to do so, but it took the Fake Groudon into the air with Doom Desire, and rammed it to the sky, letting it explode (Like I said, I forget, so if I'm inaccurate, correct me.)

[pbood2]

The battle where Solaris sends out a level 75 Garchomp against you was supposed to be an impossible battle, not necessarily a force-win. However, people could find their own ways to beat Solaris. At first, there was just a simple dialogue change if the player wins. However, when Episode 15 was released, another split-story event was made, and that battle with Solaris, whether the player wins or loses, determines what happens in that event.

I thought force-win battles were impossible battles so I misunderstood then. I didn't know the after 15 splitstory event thing though. That sounds cool.

I'm a bit confused about BN and Team Ultima, though. In one post, you said that BN was a more deadlier foe than Team Ultima. In another, you said that they won't be as powerful as Team Ultima. However, going by this, I'm assuming that you mean that they're not as powerful in numbers, right? Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

I also noticed this and I feel like numbers is what he means.

Oh, and pbood, to further answer your question about how a small Jirachi can take down a powerful SUPREME-Groudon... It's also kinda like how Jirachi took down the Fake Groudon in the Jirachi movie. I forget how it gained the power to do so, but it took the Fake Groudon into the air with Doom Desire, and rammed it to the sky, letting it explode (Like I said, I forget, so if I'm inaccurate, correct me.)

WOW that's one powerful jirachi and I feel it was the moon or wishes or something that gave Jirachi power so maybe that's how it became powerful enough to beat Fake-Groudon. Also you can say this but Supreme-Groudon is not going to explode due to being a real groudon with machine that boosts its power or whatever SUPREME is.

Edited August 30, 2015 by pbood2

[Commander]

I guess the best example would be Cipher from Pokemon Colosseum. Team Snagem was pretty much the crime overlords at the beginning of the story being the guys who steal Pokemon and commit heinous crimes. Cipher was kind of underground at one point while they made the shadow Pokemon. Cipher then began to slowly take control of the region once their shadow Pokemon plan was nearing completion and became a bit more open (before they were hiding in front of everyone's faces). Cipher and Snagem are one and the same in Colosseum.

Ultima was and will always be stronger than BN. They just aren't as open or flex their power like BN does (they are more secretive). To the people's eyes, BN is stronger, but in reality they are no match in Ultima. BN does have more influence so they have more numbers until they are almost dispersed by the Giratina fiasco.

[Tringus]

That actually makes sense, considering how my character is pretty much the Don of the Black November. With BN as the public crimelords, Imperius can just wait in the shadows, and Team Ultima would grow as powerful as BN once was when the time is right.

[pbood2]

Great explanation Commander and Trevo so thanks for that. I do understand and that's a really cool dynamic between the two evil villains.

Everything looks awesome and I can't wait for an episode of this to be released but I know it won't be for a while. ;D

[Jacobliterator]

Wassup mah bois?

[SnowGlaceon]

Wassup mah bois?

HE'S ALIVE! Nothing much, just discussing ideas.

[Tringus]

Post 666... Not sure how I feel about that. XD

Ninjaed... XD

Anyways, there have been quite a bit of posts since when you were last here, Jacob.

[Jacobliterator]

First of all, maybe the pixie legendaries weren't the best ideas. I think we should stick with the lake trio unlocking Giratina. Don't wanna overload on legendaries. I think for the story, we should keep it simple on the surface for people who are just into gameplay, but add some depth in for those who are interested in the story.

Edited August 31, 2015 by Jacobliterator

[SnowGlaceon]

First of all, maybe the pixie legendaries weren't the best ideas. I think we should stick with the lake trio unlocking Giratina. Don't wanna overload on legendaries.

But they don't unlock Giratina. They don't unlock anything. They can control Dialga and Palkia, but that's it.

[Jacobliterator]

But they don't unlock Giratina. They don't unlock anything. They can control Dialga and Palkia, but that's it.

Scratch that then.

[Frostilicious]

Wouldn't it be better if there was a different type of legendaries around. In all fan-games we always see Giratina, Arceus(which is understandable since it's the pokemon god), Kyogre, Groudon and such. I have yet to see any b/w (2) legendaries in any games. And even yveltal which is the destruction pokemon, except for Rejuvenation where Madame X owns it, it appears nowhere else. Just a thought. If it is too extra work, then consider this post over. Or if it can't fit with the story.

Edited August 31, 2015 by timbla

[Klemeltios]

If you're going to want to try to unlock Giratina, then you might want a machine like in Giratina and the Sky Warrior kind of stuff. With the machine, it can be powered by multiple legendaries, or just a select few, any way you want. That will probably also give team Ultima a better reason to explore the regions and such.

EDIT: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Megarig

Edited August 31, 2015 by Upbeatshadowchain

[dead account]

But they don't unlock Giratina. They don't unlock anything. They can control Dialga and Palkia, but that's it.

Not only that, but they can only control one of them at a time. The lake trio are kind of useless tbh.

[Commander]

First of all, maybe the pixie legendaries weren't the best ideas. I think we should stick with the lake trio unlocking Giratina. Don't wanna overload on legendaries. I think for the story, we should keep it simple on the surface for people who are just into gameplay, but add some depth in for those who are interested in the story.

It'll probably only be about 12 in all truthfully. As for the plot, the main one will be simple, but I'll find ways to reward those who like to explore to get to better know the characters. Not everyone is going to have a super deep tragic backstory.

Wouldn't it be better if there was a different type of legendaries around. In all fan-games we always see Giratina, Arceus(which is understandable since it's the pokemon god), Kyogre, Groudon and such. I have yet to see any b/w (2) legendaries in any games. And even yveltal which is the destruction pokemon, except for Rejuvenation where Madame X owns it, it appears nowhere else. Just a thought.

Giratina is almost a necessary evil in this case. I don't like it, but it has its uses. Though I could use Yvelta in its place. Many of the legendaries I want to include really are never discussed such as Uxie and Regigas. I keep many things underwrapped from you guys until its a good time to present them.

[Jacobliterator]

If you're going to want to try to unlock Giratina, then you might want a machine like in Giratina and the Sky Warrior kind of stuff. With the machine, it can be powered by multiple legendaries, or just a select few, any way you want. That will probably also give team Ultima a better reason to explore the regions and such.

EDIT: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Megarig

Good idea. Which legendaries should power the machine?

[SnowGlaceon]

Wouldn't it be better if there was a different type of legendaries around. In all fan-games we always see Giratina, Arceus(which is understandable since it's the pokemon god), Kyogre, Groudon and such. I have yet to see any b/w (2) legendaries in any games. And even yveltal which is the destruction pokemon, except for Rejuvenation where Madame X owns it, it appears nowhere else. Just a thought. If it is too extra work, then consider this post over. Or if it can't fit with the story.

The 5th gen legends do appear in Insurgence. Other than that, they haven't been used much. It would make some kind of sense, with Zekrom being the being of ideals. And since Team Ultima's ideals are a mechanized world...you see where this is going, right?

If you're going to want to try to unlock Giratina, then you might want a machine like in Giratina and the Sky Warrior kind of stuff. With the machine, it can be powered by multiple legendaries, or just a select few, any way you want. That will probably also give team Ultima a better reason to explore the regions and such.

EDIT: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Megarig

Might also give Shaymin a use.

[Klemeltios]

Good idea. Which legendaries should power the machine?

Not the Lake Trio obviously I actually have no clue, there's a fair bit of legendaries that is able to power a machine such as that, but I guess the only problem is which ones you want to use to do it, maybe have the smaller legendaires like the Lake Trio, Shaymin Delibird and Magikarp Mew, and etc. Since the larger legendaries are obviously more harder to find/obtain.

EDIT: Snow makes a good point, you COULD have team Ultima have Zekrom since their ideals are to make a mechanized world (But what will happen to the air, cri.)

Edited August 31, 2015 by Upbeatshadowchain