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OOOOH...

btw i had actually spoiled myself and read some chapters at random very long ago, when i finished index II. all i remember now are most of the characters, their personalities and how things turned out in general. i kinda regret doing that now but since my memory is very hazy im still looking forward to the third season and seeing these events animated. though, reading that just now made me want to go back to the light novels and read everything properly this time. but it feels like such a time consuming task and im just so damn lazy.

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OOOOH...

btw i had actually spoiled myself and read some chapters at random very long ago, when i finished index II. all i remember now are most of the characters, their personalities and how things turned out in general. i kinda regret doing that now but since my memory is very hazy im still looking forward to the third season and seeing these events animated. though, reading that just now made me want to go back to the light novels and read everything properly this time. but it feels like such a time consuming task and im just so damn lazy.

I say do it. Going back and reading everything properly is a good idea. The universe created by this series quite wide and expansive that reading the novels from the beginning would give you a much better understanding of it and the characters who inhabit it. You will be glad you did so~

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did you read it from the source you posted or did you download the volumes from a better one?

From that site. I came into the LNs some time while I was watching Season 2 back when it was airing in 2011. The site above was at the time translating the volumes bit by bit and were on Volume 13 (the latter half of the Academy City Invasion Arc) when I started to try reading the novels. They were fast enough that they were always ahead of the anime though the translations were rough in the beginning.

Afterwards, a certain person by the name of js06 began translating the novels and translated the entirety of the series up to that point by mid-July, before NT02's release. The site's translations even got more refined overall afterwards. Once NT02 was released and onwards, the volumes would be translated very quickly and were always hosted on that site. Of course, these translations were and still are top-notch.

While all of the Old Testament volume translations (1-22+SS1-2) have been removed from the site due to Yen Press licensing the series, pdfs of those volumes are floating around the internet *wink**wink*. All of the New Testament volumes and supplementary side story volumes are all still on the site, fully translated though.

EDIT:

AHHH! Mini-teaser's out for the next volume and the Birdway Sisters are going to play a key role!

Both Leivinia and Patricia! Literally two days after I finish writing a fic about the two sisters XD

I am psyched~

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无敌だったはずの魔神たちを次々と消し去っていく『理想送り』上里翔流。ついにその『右手』が上条当麻に迫 る。そして両者の激突の键を握るのは、バードウェイ……『姉妹』!?

Kamisato Kakeru with the World Rejecter erases the supposedly invincible Magic Gods one by one. His right hand now presses towards Kamijou Touma...and the one who holds the key to the clash between the two is...the Birdway sisters!?

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#kakineftw

I like 99% of the characters in to aru, so I can't really pick favourites. If I had to it'd proably be like Last order > Accelerator > Kanzaki Kaori > Mugino Shizuru > Kuroko > Touma. But even that's shaky lol.

I've been out of the loop since the circles I run in don't like To Aru for some reason so sorry if I have outdated info probably orz

And I could honestly talk for hours about how books, movies, anime and manga are honestly different and just it's a rant for another topic. Just to sumerize, I don't compaire the sources to each other because that's pretty much useless. Where as in a novel you get to have every described to you in words, an anime has to take those words and draw them. That and an anime is on a time crunch to be drawn, whilst a novel isn't on a time crunch to be read. /leaves that nugget there.

I really, REALLY hope they do another season because it'd be nice to have a series with tons of seasons that isn't shit like naruto or bleach or one piece or a great big shounen. I like how, to stave off putting in fillers, they just do one of the side arcs - that's wicked. I hope they keep that model b/c that's how anime /should/ be done imo.

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Here's the problem. I am a 'source material is god' type of person. That's generally because the source material for most series is closest to the author's intentions with his/her series.

Let's take Touma for example. In the anime, he's a decent character. When I watched the anime, he drew me in into it and kept me going but I did not place too much investment into his character development as the anime was not showing his character development too well, instead, opting for him to be more static. This paints an impression in most people as most people will generally not read the source material.

Therein lies the problem. In the novels, Touma is a very well-developed and highly dynamic character. For example, his character development in the Index Arc was about him overcoming his own self-defeating attitude (which piled up due to numerous incidents in his past such as incidents in his childhood and things like Mitsuari Ayu's suicide) and saving a person who he does not want to lose a connection to. It's a very selfish motive that is developed and solidified throughout the volume and culminates when he decides to do everything in his power to save Index.

This part of his character and his development is not translated as well. Small, but important, details were never translated over to the anime. Things like the reason why Touma did not tell Index about her hood still being at his house, things like the reason why Index came back to retrieve the hood, and things like the statement that is repeated countless times in the narration of the volume, all of which could have done wonders for Touma's character development were omitted. It's a damn shame since these sort of details were what made Touma such a well-written character in the novels.

I could go on and on about this but I won't.

Let me touch into something different. Remember upside-down-sensei, the guy floating in the tube? What was his name? Aleister Crowley. This guy is based off the man behind the belief system known as Thelema and a lot of this series has a huge connection to that system such as 'The Book of the Law', Aiwass's appearance, and the mention of the Aeons of Osiris and Horus.

The central tenet of Thelema, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law", is actually a very centralized theme throughout the entire series and can be shown to have been applied to the developments of all of the main characters: Touma, Accelerator, and Hamazura. As to how...I'm not giving it away that easily. You should have some fun connecting the dots on your own.

As you can see, the anime had a lot of shortcomings as an adaptation.

While a novel isn't on a time crunch to be read, it is on a time crunch to be produced. Though, given how much Kamachi writes (for the past two or three years, he's been churning out a new volume a month), I wonder if he even actually feels the time crunch.

#kakineftw

Which Kakine?

I really, REALLY hope they do another season because it'd be nice to have a series with tons of seasons that isn't shit like naruto or bleach or one piece or a great big shounen. I like how, to stave off putting in fillers, they just do one of the side arcs - that's wicked. I hope they keep that model b/c that's how anime /should/ be done imo.

Ehh...Railgun had fillers...while the original Railgun I can...somewhat...excuse as they did not have enough source material to work with at times, Railgun S had no excuse because there was an ample amount of source material at that point in time...

That being said...I'm still waiting on Index Season 3. There are 20+ Light novel volumes of Index that remain unadapted (excluding the side story volumes like the Kanzaki SS and the Necessarius SS). Some day...some day.

But for now, New Testament Volume 14 hype~

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i think the only filler railgun had was the final arc in the second season (and also some of the cute sol moments, but ill excuse that). i like to pretend that arc never even existed, other than some of the cool action scenes.

Nah. Railgun season 1 was littered with fan service moments because the directors decided to pad the Level Upper arc like crazy. There was also a crapton of filler SOL episodes after the Level Upper Arc ended and the Poltergeist Arc which was declared semi-canon by Kamachi through a character during Volume 22 of the LNs.

And then there was the terrible Silent Party Arc in Railgun S which not only spits upon the canon (especially upon the Remnants Arc for example).

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I really don't wanna drag this out, so I'll just finish this this and then not really respond. Remember, this is me personally! Feel free to have your own opinions you adorkable people you. I'm just putting down some facts and finishing with my thoughts! It's pretty long and kind rambly, so erm FEEL FREE TO SKIP IT.

Books, movies, animes and mangas are not compairable to each other in my mind. Why? A book is varied in production time, depending on other muse and actual contract rate. (stephen king produced books like crazy, but some authors produce one book like every 2 years.) Movies are generally 2 hours to 3 hours of runtime, and production takes excessively long. mangas tend to be serial, and depending on the serial it's from one week to a month per 'chapter'. Books are generally compilation of chapters. (some manga aren't serial, I'm aware, but they still tend to function along that process.) and anime episodes are aproximately 22 minutes long per episode. Some are shorts, so those tend to be like 5-6 minutes. They are also serial themselves, and thus have to be made either ahead of time, or in the week that they have off.

Now, considering they are different mediums, here's a few /key/ differences. A book writer writers the whole book, and then goes through an editor and publisher. A mangaka works on an issue, and then compaires notes with the rest of the team. Both of these methods are less human ressources involved, as generally it's one person's vision (or two if you have an artist/writer duo) and in the case of mangas, sometimes 2-3. Now, movies and animes requires much, MUCH more then that. Where as the previous two mediums are purely written or mostly written, they can still give out a wealth of detail that a purely visual/auditory medium cannot. Where as they might have a production time crunch, the consumer time-crunch is non-existant. It's not like a book will vanish if you don't read it in time. However, Animes and Movies have a lot more people working on them primarily and adaptations tend to be done with people other then the book/manga creator. Adaptations have to drop out details in order to present to you a visual and auditory experience. The experience has to last a certain amount of minutes, unlike a book/manga. Try reading 22 minutes of a book, and then putting it down. How much did you get? Due to all of the details, it would take forever if you read the book, once a week, for 22 minutes - and that's not even taking in reading speed. An adaptation has to take all of those details and materials, and then compress them into an interesting portrayal, and keep the main themes.

With me so far? It's a bit lengthy but I'm getting there lol.

Now due to the utterly different medium types, there's clearly a difference. In adaptations. it's safe to assume in all cases, that the source material has greater detail and impact. Simply because the medium that the original source material conveys that source material in the most appropriate manner for it. Anime only series that got a manga adaptation afterwards sometimes seem too rushed plot-wise to readers, but is in perfect balance anime wise. Or book-based animes seemed rushed and lack a lot of minor details. So on and so forth. What I find important, is to have the ability to seperate this - I've read the harry potter books, and then watched the movies. I wasn't going to spend those two-three hours bitching about how they forgot to actually show us certain details. I'd rather watch the movie for what they are - an adaptation, and look at what they did with it. Afterward, I can compare the two surely if I want to criticize, sure, but I could also just have enjoyed an alternate portrayal of something dear to me.

For example: Dragonball Z movie? Remember that abomination? I disliked the movie itself, because it was shoddy and rushed, and just really didn't make sense. And then afterward, I realized how much they actually butchered from that series. Urg. But to finalize why I'm so staunch in this, it's mainly because to me, it shows a societical flaw. To use the expressions 'don't judge a book by it's cover' or the mentality of 'do not condemn the children for what their parents have done.' Because judging an adaptation as horrible compared to it's original source, is kind of beating the dead horse of common sense - yeah of course it wasn't going to be as good, and having all of the micro-details or small cues that you've come to expect off the original source. Also, judging a whole series on a component (LOOKING AT YOU TSUKIHIME ANIME) is just as dumb. I just feel like we should be less negative and more appreciative on the fact that it even exists. People launch complaints at creators all the time, and then that just stops them from making more. What if we get no more To Aru anime because people were complaining it didn't have novel level of detail? Us the people, cause a great effect on the creation of others even if we don't want to.

I should totally make a thread about this. jeebus. I'm done now lol.

also all kakines forever! idk I loved him despite only reading a wikipage lol

and idk, I though the fillers worked well with each other in the series? For someone just watching the anime, the transition was pretty organic considering all the clues and hints through the anime itself. not like naruto where sasuke leaves the village and ten suddenly shows up for missions in episodes after? Like wtf was that shit.

But yay, more To Aru things! I'll throw this question out there: Science or Magic?

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Books, movies, animes and mangas are not compairable to each other in my mind. Why? A book is varied in production time, depending on other muse and actual contract rate. (stephen king produced books like crazy, but some authors produce one book like every 2 years.) Movies are generally 2 hours to 3 hours of runtime, and production takes excessively long. mangas tend to be serial, and depending on the serial it's from one week to a month per 'chapter'. Books are generally compilation of chapters. (some manga aren't serial, I'm aware, but they still tend to function along that process.) and anime episodes are aproximately 22 minutes long per episode. Some are shorts, so those tend to be like 5-6 minutes. They are also serial themselves, and thus have to be made either ahead of time, or in the week that they have off.

Now, considering they are different mediums, here's a few /key/ differences. A book writer writers the whole book, and then goes through an editor and publisher. A mangaka works on an issue, and then compaires notes with the rest of the team. Both of these methods are less human ressources involved, as generally it's one person's vision (or two if you have an artist/writer duo) and in the case of mangas, sometimes 2-3. Now, movies and animes requires much, MUCH more then that. Where as the previous two mediums are purely written or mostly written, they can still give out a wealth of detail that a purely visual/auditory medium cannot. Where as they might have a production time crunch, the consumer time-crunch is non-existant. It's not like a book will vanish if you don't read it in time. However, Animes and Movies have a lot more people working on them primarily and adaptations tend to be done with people other then the book/manga creator. Adaptations have to drop out details in order to present to you a visual and auditory experience. The experience has to last a certain amount of minutes, unlike a book/manga. Try reading 22 minutes of a book, and then putting it down. How much did you get? Due to all of the details, it would take forever if you read the book, once a week, for 22 minutes - and that's not even taking in reading speed. An adaptation has to take all of those details and materials, and then compress them into an interesting portrayal, and keep the main themes.

With me so far? It's a bit lengthy but I'm getting there lol.

Now due to the utterly different medium types, there's clearly a difference. In adaptations. it's safe to assume in all cases, that the source material has greater detail and impact. Simply because the medium that the original source material conveys that source material in the most appropriate manner for it. Anime only series that got a manga adaptation afterwards sometimes seem too rushed plot-wise to readers, but is in perfect balance anime wise. Or book-based animes seemed rushed and lack a lot of minor details. So on and so forth. What I find important, is to have the ability to seperate this - I've read the harry potter books, and then watched the movies. I wasn't going to spend those two-three hours bitching about how they forgot to actually show us certain details. I'd rather watch the movie for what they are - an adaptation, and look at what they did with it. Afterward, I can compare the two surely if I want to criticize, sure, but I could also just have enjoyed an alternate portrayal of something dear to me.

For example: Dragonball Z movie? Remember that abomination? I disliked the movie itself, because it was shoddy and rushed, and just really didn't make sense. And then afterward, I realized how much they actually butchered from that series. Urg. But to finalize why I'm so staunch in this, it's mainly because to me, it shows a societical flaw. To use the expressions 'don't judge a book by it's cover' or the mentality of 'do not condemn the children for what their parents have done.' Because judging an adaptation as horrible compared to it's original source, is kind of beating the dead horse of common sense - yeah of course it wasn't going to be as good, and having all of the micro-details or small cues that you've come to expect off the original source. Also, judging a whole series on a component (LOOKING AT YOU TSUKIHIME ANIME) is just as dumb. I just feel like we should be less negative and more appreciative on the fact that it even exists. People launch complaints at creators all the time, and then that just stops them from making more. What if we get no more To Aru anime because people were complaining it didn't have novel level of detail? Us the people, cause a great effect on the creation of others even if we don't want to.

I should totally make a thread about this. jeebus. I'm done now lol.

The main problems I have with the anime are that it failed to do its main character and its overall themes justice. Neither are portrayed in the same vein as they are in the novels. This isn't just due to just details but tone and choices in direction of the anime.

Plus, the anime paints the impression people have about the series and its characters moreso than the source material due to the fact that most people won't read the source material so it creates this annoying disconnect during discussion.

The anime was good in its own right. If it was not, I would not have ended up reading the novels in their entirety. However, it still fails as an adaptation to me. I understand that there is a lot of work that goes into animation but my point is still valid criticism.

also all kakines forever! idk I loved him despite only reading a wikipage lol

Oh...I thought you had read the novels...

My bad...

and idk, I though the fillers worked well with each other in the series? For someone just watching the anime, the transition was pretty organic considering all the clues and hints through the anime itself. not like naruto where sasuke leaves the village and ten suddenly shows up for missions in episodes after? Like wtf was that shit.

Like I said, Railgun season 1 was littered with padding and had the Poltergeist Arc, which I can forgive somewhat in light of it being declared semi-canon and in light of the Silent Party Arc. However, the Silent Party arc spits upon the series and contradicts the canon.

This reddit comment explains a few of the problems with the Silent Party Arc.

But yay, more To Aru things! I'll throw this question out there: Science or Magic?

Uuuu...do I have to pick? The magic and science sides of Index are both amazing. Hell, at this point in the novels we've reached a threshold where they can be indistinguishable.

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  • 2 weeks later...

New Spin-off: ToAru Idol no Accelerator-sama (a 4koma manga) has been confirmed in the most recent release of Dengeki Daioh Magazine:

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*Let me know if there are any issues with the double-post.

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The cover art and the blurb/synopsis for NT14 have been released!

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異能の力を全て打ち消す右手『幻想殺し』

負の想念で全てを消し去る『理想送り』

「やあ、幻想殺し」

「だとすると、アンタは理想送りか」

 世界を意のままに、何万回でも塵にすることができる真性の『魔神』達。そんな無敵の存在らを、一瞬で消し 去る少年がいた。

 少年は『どこにでもいる平凡な高校生』にして、しかし同時に最大最悪の『理想送り』を右手に宿す存在。そ れは『新たな天地を望むもの』を全て消し去る、恐るべき力だった。そして、もう一人の『どこにでもいる平凡 な男子高校生』上条当麻の右手に宿る『幻想殺し』と、表裏一体の存在でもあった。

「幻想殺し。ぼくは『魔神』に用がある。ぼくをこんな風にした『魔神』達に」

「それはお前の事情だろ。俺達には関係ない」

 少年二人は、学園都市の暗闇で対峙した。

 互いに譲ることができないもののために。

 この勝負の鍵を握るのは、レイヴィニアとパトリシア、二人のバードウェイ姉妹で!?

 極大のイレギュラー同士が、ついに激突する

Which translates to:

The right hand that denies every single unusual power, the Imagine Breaker

VS

the one that purges all negative thoughts, the World Rejecter!

"Sup, Illusion Killer."

"In that case, are you the World Rejecter?"

Willed by the world, those who can render anyone into dust, the true Magic Gods... Those invincible existences were erased in a blink of an eye by a single boy.

The boy claims that he is just "a normal high school student you see anywhere", but he is also an existence that keeps the greatest and worst World Rejecter on his right hand. It is a horrifying power, purging anything "that desires a new world". And, with another "a normal high school student you see anywhere", Kamijou Touma, who holds the Imagine Breaker, they are two equal and opposite existences.

"Imagine Breaker. I have some business with the Magic God. With the Magic Gods that made me this way."

"That only applies to you. It's unrelated to us."

These two boys confront in the darkness of Academy City.

For the sake of the things they cannot turn back to.

The key to this match is in the hands of Leivinia and Patricia, the Birdway sisters!?

The maximum irregulars finally clash!

Color me hyped as hell.

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i thought id reply to this here rather than on the favorite anime thread, so that it doesnt go off-topic

Manga:

To Aru Kagaku no Railgun (yeah. the anime is bad but the manga is great)

man, i completely agree with this. the tone shifts in railgun completely fucked up the story and misaka's development. after enjoying the anime (amidst all of the sol shit), i decided to check out the manga and the first thing i noticed from the chapters i read were how they lacked all of that unnecessary filler the anime had. there is almost no sol garbage, comparing to how much there was in the anime. if this show had been adapted well, they could've done the entire first railgun season in one cour and then the sisters arc in another. at most, it would take one cour and a half for each, so 36 episodes in total rather than 48. that is roughly a full cour of filler slice of life + the silent party arc which added nothing new to the show.

overall, the only good thing about the railgun anime is the sisters arc, the fighting scenes and the sound. read the manga and only go to the anime for the fighting scenes you enjoyed the most on the manga. most of those, especially on the sisters arc, were done really well and with great monologue that helps you understand the situation each individual character is in. story is generally the same, except the manga is consistent and lacks all of the sol the anime added.

now im just hoping that on a future railgun season 3, jc staff no longer commits the error of adding all of that sol. the last thing i want is

level 6 shift misaka

getting ruined.

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i thought id reply to this here rather than on the favorite anime thread, so that it doesnt go off-topic

man, i completely agree with this. the tone shifts in railgun completely fucked up the story and misaka's development. after enjoying the anime (amidst all of the sol shit), i decided to check out the manga and the first thing i noticed from the chapters i read were how they lacked all of that unnecessary filler the anime had. there is almost no sol garbage, comparing to how much there was in the anime. if this show had been adapted well, they could've done the entire first railgun season in one cour and then the sisters arc in another. at most, it would take one cour and a half for each, so 36 episodes in total rather than 48. that is roughly a full cour of filler slice of life + the silent party arc which added nothing new to the show.

overall, the only good thing about the railgun anime is the sisters arc, the fighting scenes and the sound. read the manga and only go to the anime for the fighting scenes you enjoyed the most on the manga. most of those, especially on the sisters arc, were done really well and with great monologue that helps you understand the situation each individual character is in. story is generally the same, except the manga is consistent and lacks all of the sol the anime added.

now im just hoping that on a future railgun season 3, jc staff no longer commits the error of adding all of that sol. the last thing i want is

level 6 shift misaka

getting ruined.

There are even more problems with the Railgun anime than just that.

1. Complete inconsistency with the actual timeline. Railgun's anime fucks with the timeline. It's as if it wants to ignore the fact that Index is a thing. From how the Level Upper Arc was adapted to Silent Party, there are inconsistencies everywhere. Funny enough, I honestly think that Nagai, the guy who directed Railgun, has zero respect for the source material that he was adapting. I think he was even on record as saying that he did not want to adapt the Sisters Arc.

2. Flanderization. Oh god. Flanderization. If you want any good examples, look no further than Kuroko, who is an incredibly likable character in the source material but completely unbearable in the anime for the following reason. The damn anime took her occasional perverted outbursts and made them the centerpiece for her character. Do you think the director had any respect for the source material?

3. Cutting out scenes or adding in scenes (both of which derail character at times).

  • Example 1: There was a quick scene in the manga that was cut out that ended up being quite a humanizing moment for Kiyama during the car chase, showing her to be more of an airhead than evil.

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    Yet, it was cut out because Nagai wants to portray all of the villains as evulzeeeeeeviiiiillll...

  • Example 2: In Railgun S's Sisters Arc, (yeah, even Railgun S's Sisters Arc had its fair share of irritating issues) there was a scene in the anime where Accelerator was chewing a finger after he killed a clone. THAT SCENE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE! There was a scene where Accelerator did chew a finger but the context was entirely different. In the novels, Accelerator was chewing Misaka 10031's finger in front of 10032 for the sole purpose of intimidating her. He was trying to get a fear reaction out of her by continually escalating his intimidation and if you have watched or read Index you know exactly why he was doing it. In Railgun S, the scene seems like it was just there as a 'for the evulz' moment.

Yeah. Railgun's anime was...a disaster as part of ToAru.

Here is a list of problems with the adapted arcs that someone on reddit made:

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/3hi4ky/spoilersa_certain_scientific_railgun_s_episodes/cu7k0ug

This covers Railgun episodes 1-12 and Railgun S episodes 1-16 as they are the adapted arcs.

And here is the same guy pointing out a number of problems on the episodes of Silent Party:

Episodes 17-18

Episodes 19-20

Episodes 21-22

Episodes 23-24+Overall Summary

Yeah. Is it any wonder people think Nagai has zero respect for the series he was working on?\

EDIT: So, I've been doing this little thing where I'm analyzing the character arcs of the main characters Volume-by-volume. Take a look if you're interested.

Kamijou Touma-Volume 01

Kamijou Touma-Volume 02

Kamijou Touma-Volume 03

Kamijou Touma-Volume 04

Kamijou Touma & Accelerator-Volume 05

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  • 5 months later...

New Testament Volume 15's Cover Art and Synopsis (which has been out since about March 10th)

Releases on April 9th~

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After transferring schools, Kamisato, who holds the World Rejecter in his right hand, shows up.
"Kamijou's Everyday Life" resoundingly crumbles!


"My World Rejecter and your Imagine Breaker. If they clash, which of the two will win?"

The night after the clash between two boys whose right hands can surpass even gods. Kamijou Touma and Kamisato Kakeru, with unyielding thoughts in their hearts, glare at each other, with a menu on one hand, inside a school cafeteria!?

Let's explain this carefully. After the Magic God High Priest destroyed Kamijou's school, in order to keep him from becoming a repeater, he begins attending a different school. There, alongside an unusually unreliable "minimum" Student Council President called Fidgety Rabbit (Bikubiku Usagi-san) is his fated opponent, Kamisato...!?

Facing the threat of repeating grades that is worse than a battle with the world at risk is out of the question for Kamijou. Kamisato feels the same way, and is acting friendly for some reason. For a moment, he wonders if this is the detour to a burning-hot friendship route.

Then, a half-naked raincoat girl appears in the city.

This girl holds an overwhelming power that can mislead even Academy City's Level 5s...!

This half-naked girl's true nature is a mysterious third power... or not, which frightens even Kamisato, the little sister Salome!?

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