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One of friends from high school hit me up saying the "Red-Eyes" finally got support and you can essentially create a very good deck with it now..Red Eyes is my favorite dragon, and seen finally getting support after what? 13 years is feels good ...haven't play for about 2-3 years....any Yugioh fans here can help me pick up the dust?

EDIT: Install Devpro. Has been years I have use this! They have done lot's of tweaking to it

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I hate you for starting this topic now that I am in my hometown <.<

I love helping people get the hang of the game and enjoy decks that are not of the "big four" (Shaddols, Qliport, Nekloz, Burning Abyss, which are more or less dominating the metagame at the moment). And I am planning to write a fanfiction about Yu Gi Oh, so the more I come in contact with many decks used by many different people, the more ideas I get for characters.

So yeah, I would love to spar with you, chat about the game and whatnot... But now I am in my hometown. Which means limited time online, shaky connection, and no DevPro <.<

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  On 8/25/2015 at 8:40 AM, Tomas Elliot said:

I hate you for starting this topic now that I am in my hometown <.<

I love helping people get the hang of the game and enjoy decks that are not of the "big four" (Shaddols, Qliport, Nekloz, Burning Abyss, which are more or less dominating the metagame at the moment). And I am planning to write a fanfiction about Yu Gi Oh, so the more I come in contact with many decks used by many different people, the more ideas I get for characters.

So yeah, I would love to spar with you, chat about the game and whatnot... But now I am in my hometown. Which means limited time online, shaky connection, and no DevPro <.<

Let's duel!

Although I have to said, I don't understand the "Red-Eyes" deck at all. This is coming from a guy that use to play meta and in tournaments back in 2004-2010. I could understand the synergy of each cards and pretty much simulate decks before even building them. For some reason I lost that "power". I look at the "Red-Eyes" cards and it just doesn't add up. I feel like a kid just staring at the beautiful artwork. Is it a burn deck? Fusion? I'm so lost lol

I'm going to build it at the best of my ability and hopefully shit just comes back to me.

Maybe a duel will help me wake up....

EDIT: I can take a screenshot of the deck to show you what I got so far

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Red-eyes got so many good cards that they can actually go 3 different routes: beatdown+Xyz, Fusion and, believe it or not, Ritual (Paladin is surprisingly useful also in the beatdown builds, while Lord of Red requires a dedicated build, but it's a very strong card).

The Fusion path is considered the strongest one on the account of using Red-Eyes Fusion which is a very powerful, borderline broken card. However, said card forces you to include Summoned Skull (the new Gemini variant that is also a Red-Eyes is NOT compatible with Red-Eyes Fusion, you MUST run good old Summoned Skull), which is atrocious for consistency so yeah, the other builds do have their merits, namely better cnsistency, over the Fusion build...

Oh and don't let the burn effects fool you: those are just ways to increase the damage output of your standard beatdown approach. This is NOT a burn deck. And besides, the only burn effects that are good are Flare Dragon, Flare Metal Dragon, the big bad fusion boss abd MAYBE Inferno Fire Blast. Red-Eyes burn is a terrible card and you should not use it.

I would go into more details but I am posting from my phone :/

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  On 8/25/2015 at 10:14 PM, Tomas Elliot said:

Red-eyes got so many good cards that they can actually go 3 different routes: beatdown+Xyz, Fusion and, believe it or not, Ritual (Paladin is surprisingly useful also in the beatdown builds, while Lord of Red requires a dedicated build, but it's a very strong card).

The Fusion path is considered the strongest one on the account of using Red-Eyes Fusion which is a very powerful, borderline broken card. However, said card forces you to include Summoned Skull (the new Gemini variant that is also a Red-Eyes is NOT compatible with Red-Eyes Fusion, you MUST run good old Summoned Skull), which is atrocious for consistency so yeah, the other builds do have their merits, namely better cnsistency, over the Fusion build...

Oh and don't let the burn effects fool you: those are just ways to increase the damage output of your standard beatdown approach. This is NOT a burn deck. And besides, the only burn effects that are good are Flare Dragon, Flare Metal Dragon, the big bad fusion boss abd MAYBE Inferno Fire Blast. Red-Eyes burn is a terrible card and you should not use it.

I would go into more details but I am posting from my phone :/

Holy shit.

I also notice that Red-Eyes Black Dragon Sword is the sword from the anime years ago and the effect it's ridiculous. I'm having an idea now how to run it now....I'll take a screenshot of the deck in a minute....

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red eyes are good also toons got a lot of support so I would recommend checking them out as well

be wary there are also a lot of scary threats in the meta right now youll see what I mean I don't remember the names at the top of my head

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Black Dragon Sword is ridiculously easy to Summon in all Red-Eyes builds. All you need to do is to tech in a couple of the corresponding Legendary Dragon spell card (was it Critias or Hermos? Can't remember...). Giving such a massove Atk bonus to bosses with powerful effwcts like Lord of Red or Flare Metal Dragon is always nice...

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Oh fuck yes. Always good to see a new or returning face to the great children's card game. Well I dunno about the Red Eyes archetype, because I have yet to play it, however I do play at tournaments and I must say people believe they hold potential.

I am well-versed in just about every competitive and semi-competitive deck circa 2008. If you want a hard Yugioh deck, I'd suggest the new Synchron Extreme Structure Deck coming out on Friday.

If that don't float your boat, then keep on going. Blue Eyes also got some support. Hit me up if you want deck advice.

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here it is

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I believe I nail it this one. Spend roughly 3 hours making this (don't judge, first time making a deck in years). I think everyone can see where I'm going with this

Ritual>Red-Eyes and the Ritual card get's me my Red-Eyes Traps.

Key Cards: Dragon Shrine and BMD

Dragon Shrine is VERY good on this deck just by looking at the cards (slowly coming to me)

BMD I think would be good on 2 will play test

Syenergy:

-Junk>Herald>Ritual Set Up

-Manju>Ritual Set Up

-Divine Dragon>Get my Tracer or Black Stone legend back

-Keeper>Protection, re-cycle and Wall

-Byo> BMD OR Black Stone loop (Every turn)>go for Red-Eyes B. Dragon/Black Flare OR Beast-Eyes

*IDK how I feel Red-Eyes Black Flare Dragon and having a Cards of the Red Stone (I think running 3 Red-Eyes B. Dragon is the way to go; will play test)

Opinions before playtesting?

  On 8/25/2015 at 10:36 PM, nepeta100 said:

red eyes are good also toons got a lot of support so I would recommend checking them out as well

Never were a fan of toons :/ . Red-Eyes got little support years ago with Red-Eyes Wyvern (around 2008?) and that's when I decided to quit. I was playing meta back them but when I saw Konami didn't throw down more support I got mad piss. Still don't know why they took almost 10 years for this support to arrive.

  On 8/25/2015 at 10:36 PM, nepeta100 said:

be wary there are also a lot of scary threats in the meta right now youll see what I mean I don't remember the names at the top of my head

All I got from my friend was to watch out for Shadolls? something like that. Haven't research what's cooking in the meta yet

  On 8/25/2015 at 10:48 PM, Tomas Elliot said:

Black Dragon Sword is ridiculously easy to Summon in all Red-Eyes builds. All you need to do is to tech in a couple of the corresponding Legendary Dragon spell card (was it Critias or Hermos? Can't remember...). Giving such a massove Atk bonus to bosses with powerful effwcts like Lord of Red or Flare Metal Dragon is always nice...

The atk bonus is ridiculous. With a proper hand you could potentially OTK. We see what happens...

  On 8/25/2015 at 10:50 PM, Darvan Korematsu said:

Oh fuck yes. Always good to see a new or returning face to the great children's card game. Well I dunno about the Red Eyes archetype, because I have yet to play it, however I do play at tournaments and I must say people believe they hold potential.

I am well-versed in just about every competitive and semi-competitive deck circa 2008. If you want a hard Yugioh deck, I'd suggest the new Synchron Extreme Structure Deck coming out on Friday.

If that don't float your boat, then keep on going. Blue Eyes also got some support. Hit me up if you want deck advice.

IDK if they hold potential due to the fact IDK how the meta decks plays. They look interesting tho

I stop buying cards around 2009. Sold all my goodies around 2011 for a price of $500 (around 4000 cards [Yes, all the cards I had collected since 2003 with all the metas deck from 2007-2008]). Could had made easily over $2,000 but meh. Friends wanted the cards, I wanted to get rid of them since I was moving, plus in 2011 the cards I own weren't "wanted". I did had over 300 secrets of staples cards and shit. I know, it was a bad business all together but I wanted to get rid of them.

I'll stick to Devpro. The last time I use this, this thing was like in alpha version and buggy has hell. They have a chat, you can view other people's duels now too!

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Well there is a lot of work to make here. You are suffering from what I call the "too many options syndrome". Basically, you are running lots of cards that have a use in specific situations (Divine Dragon and Junk being the most glaring examples) but that, outside of that, are terrible for consistency. Darkness Dragon is an atrocious card. Also, this is clearly a beatdown build, so you don't need so much Ritual support: Paladin is the one who has to support the rest of the deck, not the other way around.

Here is what I suggest:

FGJCyvU.png

A much more fluid build, that focuses on being good at one thing, rather than on trying to do different things. You want your beaters to hit the field fast, and you want REDMD there to direct traffic: with this build, you aim to do just that. Paladin brings REDMD from the deck and Spirit revives it from the grave, after Shrine sent it there. Manju and Preparations are all you need to set up ritual summons, and you can tribute Manju himself to summon Paladin. Since you focus so much on toolboxing around normal monsters, Dragon's mirror is included to give you access to Firstof the Dragons, a very powerful monster you don't want to miss out on. And since I was running Dragon's mirror, I also teched in one single copy on the new Gemini archfiend (which is also a Red-Eyes, so you can toolbox it around with Black Stone) so that, once it hits the grave, you also have the opportunity to bring out Archfiend Black Skull Dragon, which is immensely powerful. However, this is not a Fusion build, so teching in solution to bring the big fusion boss might not be that optimal for consistency: if you REALLY want to be consistent, and win games in less spectacular fashion, but more often, you should run Dark Armed Dragon over the Archfiend guy, and Allure of Darkness over Foolish Burial. This deck has great control of the graveyard and nice draw power, so DAD should prove an excellent weapon.

In the Extra I only put the monsters you absolutely NEED (of course, remove Black Skull Dragon if you go the DAD route). Feel free to fill the remaining spaces with whatever strikes your fancy.

EDIT: some screens:

http://i.imgur.com/y9ZGhI5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SsRcbzR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9w9pryj.jpg

EDIT EDIT: updated DAD version with improved conistency

http://i.imgur.com/To6nepW.png

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  On 8/26/2015 at 8:47 AM, Tomas Elliot said:

Well there is a lot of work to make here. You are suffering from what I call the "too many options syndrome". Basically, you are running lots of cards that have a use in specific situations (Divine Dragon and Junk being the most glaring examples) but that, outside of that, are terrible for consistency. Darkness Dragon is an atrocious card. Also, this is clearly a beatdown build, so you don't need so much Ritual support: Paladin is the one who has to support the rest of the deck, not the other way around.

Here is what I suggest:

FGJCyvU.png

A much more fluid build, that focuses on being good at one thing, rather than on trying to do different things. You want your beaters to hit the field fast, and you want REDMD there to direct traffic: with this build, you aim to do just that. Paladin brings REDMD from the deck and Spirit revives it from the grave, after Shrine sent it there. Manju and Preparations are all you need to set up ritual summons, and you can tribute Manju himself to summon Paladin. Since you focus so much on toolboxing around normal monsters, Dragon's mirror is included to give you access to Firstof the Dragons, a very powerful monster you don't want to miss out on. And since I was running Dragon's mirror, I also teched in one single copy on the new Gemini archfiend (which is also a Red-Eyes, so you can toolbox it around with Black Stone) so that, once it hits the grave, you also have the opportunity to bring out Archfiend Black Skull Dragon, which is immensely powerful. However, this is not a Fusion build, so teching in solution to bring the big fusion boss might not be that optimal for consistency: if you REALLY want to be consistent, and win games in less spectacular fashion, but more often, you should run Dark Armed Dragon over the Archfiend guy, and Allure of Darkness over Foolish Burial. This deck has great control of the graveyard and nice draw power, so DAD should prove an excellent weapon.

In the Extra I only put the monsters you absolutely NEED (of course, remove Black Skull Dragon if you go the DAD route). Feel free to fill the remaining spaces with whatever strikes your fancy.

EDIT: some screens:

http://i.imgur.com/y9ZGhI5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SsRcbzR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9w9pryj.jpg

EDIT EDIT: updated DAD version with improved conistency

http://i.imgur.com/To6nepW.png

After dueling for about 6 times and getting defeated by dolls, some cartoons and boxers I tweak my deck completely:

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NOTE: It actually exactly the same has yours but I run 2 silver's cry

I notice the inconsistency very easy, BMD is a very slow search card compare to all these new archtypes like VERY slow. I had dudes pull on me OTK for days with some weird bear cartoonick monsters (I can't remember the names). This game has become so fast and pretty much every deck can pull OTK now. Ridiculous, idk how I feel yet about this....

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Awesome dood, I'm staff over at DevPro under the same username here. If you ever need help with an issue just double click my name in the Mod list and PM me, I'll help as best I can. Also, Along with Red-Eyes, Toons got good support as well after so many years(people said it wouldn't happen) and yeah, shaddolls, qli, nekroz, Burning Abyss, and TellarKnights are the main decks to beat at the moment. Also for your red-eyes deck, possibly look into Carboneddon and Mathematician.

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  On 8/27/2015 at 3:06 AM, Lits said:

Awesome dood, I'm staff over at DevPro under the same username here. If you ever need help with an issue just double click my name in the Mod list and PM me, I'll help as best I can. Also, Along with Red-Eyes, Toons got good support as well after so many years(people said it wouldn't happen) and yeah, shaddolls, qli, nekroz, Burning Abyss, and TellarKnights are the main decks to beat at the moment. Also for your red-eyes deck, possibly look into Carboneddon and Mathematician.

Oh so you ARE the same Lits. I never sent you a PM to ask because I was afraid of sounding like a stalker o.O

  On 8/26/2015 at 10:52 PM, Kiryuu said:

I notice the inconsistency very easy, BMD is a very slow search card compare to all these new archtypes like VERY slow. I had dudes pull on me OTK for days with some weird bear cartoonick monsters (I can't remember the names). This game has become so fast and pretty much every deck can pull OTK now. Ridiculous, idk how I feel yet about this....

Well what can you do, some decks are simply blessed with more consistency than others. Incidentally, my reason for tunnin T-Roar over Silver's Cry (which is not that needed because you already have Spirit and REDMD to revive people) was precisely to stop OTKs. Assuming that by "bear cartoonick monsters" you mean Fluffal/Frightfur (Fluffal Bear is one of their key cards, and well, that's the only archetype I can think of that features a bear and looks "cartoonick"), they can OTK because they have access to a combo of Frightfur Tiger and Frightfur Wofl, the former being capable of destroying multiple cards upon being summoned and the latter being able to attack multiple times. T-roar works wonders against such strategies: you see, you can chain T-roar to the effect that targets it to destroy it, meaning that, no matter what your opponent does, they will NOT be allowed to attack you this turn, meaning that their OTK attempt is thwarted (something you cannot accomplish with, say, Mirror Force, which has a specific timing of activation and therefore cannot be chained). And well, the aforementioned Frightfur monsters dn't have stellar attack, so if you can thwart their OTK attempt, you will then be able to come back, considering that your monsters should have higher Atk.

This being said, power creep in this game has reached a point where there is a handful of decks (the ones mentioned by myself and Lits earlier) that are on a completely different level, compared to everything else. Outside of weird gimmicks or specific counter-cards to be used as Side Deck options, decks that are considered tier 2 and below just cannot beat the big four nowadays. Therefore, I think that in a topic like this we should discuss fun decks for casual play and leave the competitive aspect out because... Well, talking about the competitive side means talking about the same four decks over and over and over again.

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  On 8/27/2015 at 8:25 AM, Drymus said:

Meanwhile, I play casually with my level 3 and under deck...

I <3 Raging Flame Sprite

I... Sorry, but I don't have a lot of consideration for Raging Flame Sprite. I mean, the game today has developed to a point where keeping offensive decks from attacking, even decks that are not of the big four (like the Red-Eyes deck object of this topic) for the entire duration of the duel is just impossible. Once upon a time, you could lockdown your opponent with Swords of Revealing Light, Marshmallon and the likes, relying on burn damage or direct attacks to win, but nowadays such a strategy is not viable anymore. not even in casual play. Unless you rely on Chain Burn you are not going to win with indirect damage, even Simochi struggles nowadays: you just cannot hope to win by using cards that remain face-up on the field. Not with all the destruction and removal that exists nowadays. Even the weakest decks have lots of ways to destroy or otherwise remove problematic cards nowadays, so in general it is better to rely on cards that can be chained (which is why I prefer T-roar over Mirror Force for battle protection).

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  On 8/27/2015 at 3:06 AM, Lits said:

Awesome dood, I'm staff over at DevPro under the same username here. If you ever need help with an issue just double click my name in the Mod list and PM me, I'll help as best I can. Also, Along with Red-Eyes, Toons got good support as well after so many years(people said it wouldn't happen) and yeah, shaddolls, qli, nekroz, Burning Abyss, and TellarKnights are the main decks to beat at the moment. Also for your red-eyes deck, possibly look into Carboneddon and Mathematician.

Gotcha, I may hit you up this weekend....

  On 8/27/2015 at 7:22 AM, Tomas Elliot said:

Oh so you ARE the same Lits. I never sent you a PM to ask because I was afraid of sounding like a stalker o.O

Well what can you do, some decks are simply blessed with more consistency than others. Incidentally, my reason for tunnin T-Roar over Silver's Cry (which is not that needed because you already have Spirit and REDMD to revive people) was precisely to stop OTKs. Assuming that by "bear cartoonick monsters" you mean Fluffal/Frightfur (Fluffal Bear is one of their key cards, and well, that's the only archetype I can think of that features a bear and looks "cartoonick"), they can OTK because they have access to a combo of Frightfur Tiger and Frightfur Wofl, the former being capable of destroying multiple cards upon being summoned and the latter being able to attack multiple times. T-roar works wonders against such strategies: you see, you can chain T-roar to the effect that targets it to destroy it, meaning that, no matter what your opponent does, they will NOT be allowed to attack you this turn, meaning that their OTK attempt is thwarted (something you cannot accomplish with, say, Mirror Force, which has a specific timing of activation and therefore cannot be chained). And well, the aforementioned Frightfur monsters dn't have stellar attack, so if you can thwart their OTK attempt, you will then be able to come back, considering that your monsters should have higher Atk.

This being said, power creep in this game has reached a point where there is a handful of decks (the ones mentioned by myself and Lits earlier) that are on a completely different level, compared to everything else. Outside of weird gimmicks or specific counter-cards to be used as Side Deck options, decks that are considered tier 2 and below just cannot beat the big four nowadays. Therefore, I think that in a topic like this we should discuss fun decks for casual play and leave the competitive aspect out because... Well, talking about the competitive side means talking about the same four decks over and over and over again.

Yeah it was the Frightfur monster. Who would of though a bunch of teddy bears would give me a run for my money...

This game have took a turn for the worse tbh. The game has evolve to just become faster, faster and faster. I miss the 2006 era...

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Well, since I find it unfair that this topic is only about Red-Eyes, let me share the single most hilarious deck I have ever built:

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What can this deck do, you ask? Well, this, for example:

http://i.imgur.com/Vzyi08F.jpg

Detailed explanation in the spoiler (WARNING: it is very long)

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