Undertale

[Combat]

Wow, so many spoilers x.x

I'm just going to tell you all,

Genocide is the best thing.

Be like me,

Don't do a neutral run,

Just go straight for the genocide.

Killing everything is the best way to play.

I guarantee, you'll have a good time.

*you dirty brother killer...

I'm not ashamed to say that I've beaten Undertale three times. All of those runs were pacifist runs. I can't tell you why I did it, but for some reason I did.

[Shadow Tack]

[Guest]

so i got myself undertale and i was looking foward to that papyrus date....

but then he crushed my heart at the end...

That's it...

Everyone dies.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Telos

[Juniper]

I don't know what you're talking about because I killed him as soon as I got the chance.

[Combat]

so i got myself undertale and i was looking foward to that papyrus date....

but then he crushed my heart at the end...

That's it...

Everyone dies.

*I guess he didn't have the guts to tie the knot...

*I had a good feeling about the date... I could feel it in my bones...

*I guess skeleton Cupid didn't shoot you with his bow and marrow...

[Zumi]

I don't know what you're talking about because I killed him as soon as I got the chance.

but you're ruthless in undertale you should at least give the pacifist route a chance too though (after you delete your save bc it fucks up the true ending if you did a no mercy run beforehand)

[Vinny]

Zumi made a thing and I wanted to share it

👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀 good shit go౦ԁ sHit👌 thats ✔ some good👌👌shit right👌👌th 👌 ere👌👌👌

[Zumi]

Zumi made a thing and I wanted to share it

good shit go౦ԁ sHit thats ✔ some goodshit rightth ere

vinny pls

but ye im still pretty happy with how that turned out tbh

[Another Felix]

You feel... something

You're filled with detemmination.

[Vinny]

vinny pls

but ye im still pretty happy with how that turned out tbh

I did enjoy how much more fast paced it is.

Like a Dark Souls Asgore fight... oml

Will look forward to more remixes! \o/

Also,

[Zumi]

I'd also like to think that Chara's True Neutral to begin with. After all, they only go that way because of the player's influence. I think they're more Chaotic Neutral if possible that we implement their background story. For Sans, I think they function well as True Neutral too, or Chaotic Good instead, because they try to lead the player to the "good" choice, no matter in what manner. But that's just my opinion though.

I think you'd mean that Frisk is the true neutral, because Chara was a pretty bad person to begin with as told by Asriel. He tells you that when you talk to him at the flowerbed you first fell down on in the ruins at the ending of the True Pacifist route. Asriel will tell you that the first fallen child was not a good person and wanted to wipe out humanity for some unknown reason. They're also the reason why Asriel died in the first place; He had the power to wipe out all humans with Chara's soul inside of him and he WAS going to do it, although that part was more the fault of Chara's soul rather than Asriel, who struggled to hold back against the humans and retreated peacefully (probably much to Chara's anger, since Flowey gets destroyed mercilessly in the No Mercy ending, AFTER he revealed to be Asriel), and when he got back to the underground he died on the flowerbed where you first started out yourself (where alphys got the flowers from the true lab).

So nah, I think Chara has a pretty good place on Chaotic evil in this alignment chart tbh :V

Edited December 7, 2015 by Mettaton

[Combat]

I think you'd mean that Frisk is the true neutral, because Chara was a pretty bad person to begin with as told by Asriel. He tells you that when you talk to him at the flowerbed you first fell down on in the ruins at the ending of the True Pacifist route. Asriel will tell you that the first fallen child was not a good person and wanted to wipe out humanity for some unknown reason. They're also the reason why Asriel died in the first place; He had the power to wipe out all humans with Chara's soul inside of him and he WAS going to do it, although that part was more the fault of Chara's soul rather than Asriel, who struggled to hold back against the humans and retreated peacefully (probably much to Chara's anger, since Flowey gets destroyed mercilessly in the No Mercy ending, AFTER he revealed to be Asriel), and when he got back to the underground he died on the flowerbed where you first started out yourself (where alphys got the flowers from the true lab).

So nah, I think Chara has a pretty good place on Chaotic evil in this alignment chart tbh :V

I have to second this statement. Chara is shown to have a fairly mean streak even before killing them self and trying to manipulate Asriel. The two children almost poisoned their father using butter cups. (Oddly enough though, Butter Cups shouldn't be fatal when ingested.) While Asriel felt bad about Asgore, Chara simply laughed it off, and was later inspired to use the same flowers to kill themselves in order to set their plan into motion. It could be theorized that Chara planned on using Asriel to gain six more human souls in order to destroy the world, though Asriel's hesitance ruined their plan.

Long story short, Chara is one messed up little jerk.

[Vinny]

What about this one. Does it make more sense (It's the one I was looking for originally)

And if not, well... there's always this:

[Zumi]

What about this one. Does it make more sense (It's the one I was looking for originally)

And if not, well... there's always this:

I'd say swap sans and papyrus around in the first one, then you'd be good.

the second one is ABSOLUTELY beautiful though

[Guest]

What about this one. Does it make more sense (It's the one I was looking for originally)

Alright, here i go overthinking stuff again:

I personally think a more fitting morality board would be:

Lawful good - Papyrus

> He took a liking to Frisk, but ended up trying to capture them for the sake of his duties anyways, but when he failed he was still a pretty nice guy overall.

Neutral good - Frisk

> Frisk doesn't have any lines in the game, but we can guess what kind of person they are based on their actions through the game, and it should be pretty clear to any pacifist runner that nothing stops them from doing the right thing, they are determined to be a good person for themselves and others. That is Frisk.

Chaotic good - Sans

> Outright screws plenty of the rules to try and stop genocide runners from destroying the world, and outside of dunking evil kids and trolling the player, he's shown to be pretty nice.

Lawful neutral - Asgore

> That was a hard spot for me to decide, but although Asgore has no desire for evil and only wishes for the best of his people and family, he still decided to go by his past promise and his realm's rules and try to get the child's soul to free the barrier, which is not exactly a good act considering what he has to do for that

True neutral - The annoying dog

> This fucker couldn't give less of a damn about anything.

Chaotic neutral - Muffet

> She pretty much plays by her own rules and her morality is strictly based around her and her spiders. She doesn't go on a killing spree or be friends with everyone and just prefers to lay low and bake stuff, but when Alphys warned her about the murderous kid in the genocide route, she pretty much just shruged it off and laments that she didn't wrap up Alphys and bake her into a donut, implying that she can be just as a cold killer as the possessed kid if it's within her motives.

Lawful evil - Asriel

> That one was a hard choice as well, i don't really think there's an actual Lawful Evil character in Undertale, but Asriel is the closest one because he KNOWS he's being evil when he got back his body and tried to reset everything, but he didn't mind if it means he's going to keep the child with him forever(i love how yandere he is), that was his 'law' at the time.

Neutral evil - Flowey

> Doesn't go out of his way to break the rules or play by them, but there's no denying he's one nasty fellow.

Chaotic evil - Chara

> Regardless what you think of them, Chara already did plenty of chaotic and evil stuff even before dying, like poisoning Asgore with buttercups just for the lolz and manipulating Asriel within their schemes.

Edited December 8, 2015 by Telos

[anethia]

True though, but I don't think it's to the point that Chara's purely Chaotic Evil.

Keep in mind, Chara exists within Frisk no matter what route you go through, even in True Pacifist. It's heavily implied the white text is spoken by Chara, especially when using "Check". Chara of course, has been through the underground, so they know the thingies about the monsters. And, at these routes, Chara has no form of rebellion against Frisk's pacifism, as they are only following YOU, the player. So I don't think they can be THAT evil. They're only THAT evil when YOU, the player, has done the damage to go with Genocide.

If anything, as the second picture, Flowey fits Chaotic Evil MUCH MUCH more, considering he is a soulless being now who's hellbent on his "Kill or be killed" motto. That is justified because he has no soul and has no more empathy.

But Chara is mean, so that's why I suggested Chaotic Neutral instead, but HOW mean they are in the first place can still be debated because the ambiguity of their backstory can still be argued about.

Also, Frisk fits with True Neutral too, but it's clear that when you finish the True Pacifist ending, Frisk is a good character all along, it's only YOU, again, the player, who drives them to do genocide or killing monsters, so I think they'll fit with Neutral Good too, just like Toriel in the second image.

That's just my opinion though! ^^

chara is meant to be the representation of LOVE; he specifically says that whenever a number goes up, that feeling is chara.

the white text is frisk, the red text is chara. evidenced by red text only showing up in genocide runs (and chara is only truely prevalent in genocide runs)

such as; the red text asking where all the knives were in toriels home. the fact that you count all the monsters left to kill via save points.

chara's influence grows over frisk as the "numbers" increase until finally (around about the sans fight) chara completely takes over, while before they were sharing a body.

chara MADE the plan to commit suicide (via the buttercups they POISONED ASGORE with and chara LAUGHED IT OFF) for asriel to pass through the barrier, collect the souls and exterminate humanity. and you want to tell me he's true or chaotic neutral? the evidence isn't there. flowey i'm not so sure about. he's tried doing good, he's just bored. probably chaotic evil (maybe chaotic neutral? he's doing this so he doesn't lose his 'friend' in you evidenced by his lines such as; if you 'win' the game, you won't want to play with me anymore and in asriel's form i cant lose someone like you again. i'm not ready for this to all be over) as well as chara, but you cant have both in a map so just choose either.

[Combat]

Well, anywho, what are your guys favorite BGM's from Undertale?

The opening theme, Once Upon A Time, and, well the BGM itself that is named Undertale is one of my faves for non-boss themes.

For boss themes, Your Best Nightmare + Finale and Dummy are my favorites.

I don't know why, but I just like Omega/Photoshop-Flowey, even if he scares me.

Music wise, I love almost every single track, and have most of them on my devices so I can listen to them on the go. My personal favorites are Heartache, Spear of Justice, CORE, Asgore, Bonetrousle, Spider Dance... I'll spare you the details of the rest of them. Finale is probably my all time favorite track, as it gets my adrenaline pumping every single time. I also love Megalovania, though I've never heard it in game. All in all, the music is one of Undertale's strongest points for me.

I also love Omega Flowey. He was such a twisted form in such a pretty game, and I freaking loved that. He really gave me a hopeless battle feel for the first few minutes, which was such a great change of pace.

[Tacos]

Hi um... I just got Undertale and am currently making my way through it but I'm stopping in to just say that I love the game so far and please don't hate me for killing Toriel. ;-;

Also, even though I've yet to hear it in game, I am currently trying to learn Megalovania on piano. It's rough but I am trying my best.

[Tacos]

Awesome. Wish you good luck with that!

And, well, killing Toriel is an early mistake for a lot of people.

Just remember to not have a bad time. c:

But, srs, you can play the game however you want. Hope you have fun with it!

Yeah, I had a friend who told me that afterwards. I've vowed to not kill anyone or anything from here on out so that's cool I guess. I generally like to be as much of a pacifist as possible in games like this.

[Tacos]

I did the pacifist route myself, but I accidentally killed SOME things in my first run. Even then, it won't be that bad until, you know.. well, you'll know it when you see it.

Just remember to befriend everyone. Just sparing them won't net you the "best" ending. That's all.

Have fun and good luck! Don't spoil yourself. c:

I'll work towards that the best I can.

I've already gone on a date with papyrus and helped out Undyne at Hotland, as well as saving the little monster guy when he fell off the bridge so I think I'm doing it right?

[Tacos]

Yep! Though, make sure to complete the hangout with Undyne too!

And, make sure your EXP is always 0. With all that, you should be in a good track!

I really suggest that you enjoy the game as much as you can. Trust me. Savor your time in it. Explore all the secrets. \o/

I also um killed a few things at the beginning... including like all the dogs... Whoops. I've yet to unlock the hangout with Undyne yet I think. I'm currently dealing with Mettaton and Alphys at the moment.

[Tacos]

Well, when you kill things, no matter what, you DEFINITELY won't get the Undyne date, I think. so... Welp.

Well, that's okay. There's nothing wrong with it! ^^

And Mettaton's amazing. Every scene with him was funny, imo. c:

Do you have any favorite characters at the moment?

They're all so good it's hard for me to pick a favorite. Well, I mean, Toriel I actually disliked so she's out of the running. But I love Sans, Papyrus, and Mettaton so far. I'd probably like Alphys a bit more if she wasn't so similar to me. I've yet to form an opinion for Undyne yet.

[Juniper]

So many replies x_x

Umm, I'd like to say my favorite BGMs are Death by glamour, Dummy, spider dance.

I used to love Bonetrousle, but I heard it loaddddds so I'm a little bored of it now,

And I used to like megalovania, but.....

After being stuck on Sans for hours..........................................................

SIGHHHHHHH>.......................

I also started learning it on the piano though, high five, tacos

Also, Killing toriel is the best idea, don't be ashamed c:

[Vinny]

Alright, here i go overthinking stuff again:

look back

Still wanna say that Frisk is the True Neutral (Because you can go both ways), but when you throw the annoying dog in there, it's hard to argue.

Hi um... I just got Undertale and am currently making my way through it but I'm stopping in to just say that I love the game so far and please don't hate me for killing Toriel. ;-;

Also, even though I've yet to hear it in game, I am currently trying to learn Megalovania on piano. It's rough but I am trying my best.

brb hating on you

You're already too far for this, but you should play the game the way you want. Spare what you want, kill what you want.

It's still a game, have fun :T

If pacifist is your way though, then save No Mercy for last. A true completionist would see all the endings).

btw this is best song [skary spoilerz]

[anethia]

Sorry.

I was just saying that because the line between the player and Chara seems vague at first. I meant that when Chara slowly overtakes the player and Frisk during the Genocide Route. I mean, if they were hellbent in doing evil, couldn't they have just usurped Frisk and the Player to continue their goal? But that's another thing to talk about.

But fair point. Sorry. :/

Well, anywho, what are your guys favorite BGM's from Undertale?

The opening theme, Once Upon A Time, and, well the BGM itself that is named Undertale is one of my faves for non-boss themes.

For boss themes, Your Best Nightmare + Finale and Dummy are my favorites.

I don't know why, but I just like Omega/Photoshop-Flowey, even if he scares me.

oh gosh dont apologise! i just got a bit carried away and i guess a bit too aggressive. it wasnt meant to be rude :]

i like Finale and Spider Dance tbh. all the songs in undertale are amazing though.