Oldest pokemon

[Genesis]

I've read somewhere that Torkoals are pretty ancient dudes, but then again, I think this age only takes up back to the early kingdoms of the pokemon world, not actual pre-human pokemon world. Pretty old tortoises tho.

All alien pokemon are ancient as fuck as far as records go. Solrock, Lunatone, the Clefairy line, Beheeyem, Deoxys, and maybe even Starmies, these things came from space, and space is big, and if light takes years to travel from one place to the other, these living things that fell to the pokemon world can be assumed to have had been out there for quite a long, long time. Clefairys are known to ride UFOs in the anime, same for beheeyem, which might indicate they can travel fast, but still, things like solrock, which is literally just a living rock floating around, how long from the moment it gets in orbit to the moment it falls to earth?

Fossil pokemon are also pretty damn ancient. If the periods of the pokemon world can be assumd the same as ours, the most ancient fossil pokemon to date have to be anorith/armaldo, followed by (or in pair with) kabuto/kabutops. Lileep/Cradily and Omanyte/Omastar come after, followed by Aerodactyl, Rampardos, Bastiodon, Aurorus and Tyrantrum. The "youngest" fossil pokemon, in theory, is Archeops. I don't quite know the time period the turtle Carracosta is based on originated at, but it should be previous or around the same period at the dinosaur ones, I think.

Torkoal is an interesting one since it is a fire type. And it could count since it is ancient even if it was involved with ancient civilization. All the others you mentioned have been confirmed as well

Claydol and Sigilyph are both legacies of ancient civilizations, so they count too.

Yep, these are confirmed

Would Lucario be considered one? That story told in the Tower of Mastery about how it was the first Pokemon to Mega Evolve [in the normal manner] seems to me to have been a long time ago, as if Mega Evolution is something that modern Kalosians just took for granted as something that happened and therefore no one thought to look into WHY it worked, until Prof. Sycamore came along, like gravity before Newton.

I believe so, I also read some stuff on it pointing in that it came before ancient civilization even

There is also the possibilty of tentacool/tentacreul species. No pokedex entries actually say so, but given they are based on jellyfish which are fairly simple organisms, its possible they've easily been around millions of years. Beyond them, all ghost types are a strong possibility, as we see pokemon like gengar being imprisoned by pokeopolis, and just the idea that they are the dead means its possible they've existed since the first death. Also ninetails, not technically ancient but as possible immortals they have the possibility of being so in extreme cases.

I was thinking of this myself because of the Jellyfish thing. Going by our science, jellyfish have remained unchanged since their introduction, so that should apply to tentacool/ tentacruel as well.

I had completely overlooked the 9tails immortality thing. I definitely need to look into this considering it is a clutch pokemon.

The reason I have been looking for all these pokemon btw is that I am doing a run consisting of only them in hardcore --->

http://www.pokemonreborn.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18902

Being a hardcore playthough I have seen I am going to need a variety of pokemon in my arsenal

[Tomas Elliot]

Well, if you want to talk about ancient sea life, there is also Sharpedo. Sharks have been around, more or less unchanged, since before the dinosaurs...

[zimvader42]

Hmm, jellyfishes huh? then that means that Frillish and Jellicent are pretty ancient too, as much or even more than Tentacool/Tentacruel, not only because they seem to be simpler and more water based (tentacruel has sharp and apparently hard features that might indicate it is a more evolved organism), but also because they're ghost types, meaning they could have been around for quite a loooooong time.

Speaking of, you know what jellyfishes are made of? cells! and you know what pokemon is a cell? reuniclus! dunno about what the pokedex says about it, but being just a giant amoeba-like thing, it might be either the most ancient thing on the pokemon world (that is not a legendary). At least solosis could be this ancient, considering it is a pre-evolution of reuniclus, so it appeared previous to it in time, and they're also a lot simpler-looking.

[Azeria]

Unown probably is the most ancient aside from the legendaries. Remember that event in the Sinjoh Ruins where Arceus creates one of the three dragons of the Creation Trio? Yeah Unowns start popping up everywhere there making me believe that the "1000 arms" thing stated in Arceus's diamond pokedex entry are the Unown. If this is true, then the Unown are the oldest pokemon aside from Arceus as it is said to have shaped the universe WITH it's 1000 arms. Just a thought...

[Tomas Elliot]

Unown probably is the most ancient aside from the legendaries. Remember that event in the Sinjoh Ruins where Arceus creates one of the three dragons of the Creation Trio? Yeah Unowns start popping up everywhere there making me believe that the "1000 arms" thing stated in Arceus's diamond pokedex entry are the Unown. If this is true, then the Unown are the oldest pokemon aside from Arceus as it is said to have shaped the universe WITH it's 1000 arms. Just a thought...

To this day I am still awaiting the moment when a canon game goes out of its way to showcase just how ind-blowingly powerful the Unowns are when in large numbers. If the whole mess in Entei (I mean the movie) is any indication...

[zimvader42]

"If you run 6 unowns in your party spelling Arceus' name, their stats are doubled and they get multitype and judgment"

I'm still waiting for the day this (or something less crazy but equally cool) happens with unown. I mean they should be able to learn some super rare moves or have some super cool mechanic to go with their lore.

And yeah they probably are the most ancient things. They're like some sort of dimensional code scripters or some shit that build the laws of physics and whatnot.

[Genesis]

It's maddening how little respect Unknown get

[zimvader42]

It's maddening how little respect Unknown get

It IS a pokemon with an incredibly HUGE potential for lore, and with the correct setting, stats and gimmick, it could even be actually strong in battle.

However, due to only learning an attacking move whose type you get randomly in the game unless you know beforehand the IVs you have, unown is pretty much locked into being the single worst pokemon of all times. It can't boost its stats, it has only ONE move that isn't even that strong and has no STAB and can't be normal or fairy..... if unown was given better moves and better stats, it might not get disrespected, but after all the fuzz made about it in the entei movie and that in the end the only thing you can do with it is collecting all 28 forms (thing that I always do lol).... that might be the reason of the little respect you mention.

[robiseljak]

What about Alakazam and Gengar? I remember that one episode where Alakazam and Gengar were giant with some weird marks on them, don't remember the story exactly, but I do think it was said in that ep they lived a long time ago before they were captured there. Well, that ep also had giant Jigglypuff, don't know how ancient exactly he is. XD

[Juniper]

Too lazy to read if it's been mentioned,

But Rhydon was the first pokemon to be designed or something so......

Rhydon is TECHNICALLY the oldest pokemon!

[BlueMoonIceCream]

Too lazy to read if it's been mentioned,

But Rhydon was the first pokemon to be designed or something so......

Rhydon is TECHNICALLY the oldest pokemon!

You are technically correct but I'm fairly sure that's not what they're looking for

[Xenome]

After all the other types mentioned, the onix line might be the oldest, given that they live deep underground and can apparently live hundreds of years

[Zumi]

I'd say that the Solosis line might be ancient as well, considering how they practically resemble cells and cells are a key part of any living organism... Any thoughts on that? :V

[Genesis]

some great ideas here, and most have been added to my list of what I can use thanks everyone

In my thread this was posted:

http://pm1.narvii.com/5743/65635cff20df90a4b86dad269b54927f06e76a67_hq.jpg

I am waiting to hear from the poster where this battle takes place, but I would like to ask some help in identifying all the pokemon seen./

So far I have come up with:

Solrock

Lunatone

Aegislash

Gyarados

Salamence

Steelix

Rhyperior

Abomasnow

Weaville

magnemite

There are a few more, but I cannot make out the forms

[zimvader42]

some great ideas here, and most have been added to my list of what I can use thanks everyone

In my thread this was posted:

http://pm1.narvii.com/5743/65635cff20df90a4b86dad269b54927f06e76a67_hq.jpg

I am waiting to hear from the poster where this battle takes place, but I would like to ask some help in identifying all the pokemon seen./

So far I have come up with:

Solrock

Lunatone

Aegislash

Gyarados

Salamence

Steelix

Rhyperior

Abomasnow

Weaville

magnemite

There are a few more, but I cannot make out the forms

In that picture I can see:

• (Eternal flower) floette
• Rhyperior
• Golurk
• Steelix
• Salamence
• Lunatone
• Solrock
• Gyarados
• Talonflame
• Magnemite
• Bisharp
• Weavile
• Abomasnow
• Aggron
• Noivern
• Doublade and/or Honedge
• Mageton (shadow only, as it is covered by dust in the background)
• ??? (a weird shadow on the background that I'd say it might be either a hand or spikes, but I don't know for sure which pokemon is it).

The rest of what's features there I'm pretty sure are human warriors wearing armors and blades.

Regarding the poster itself:

Since eternal flower floette is featured, that's most likely a representation of the ancient battle that took place in the Kalos region 3000+ years ago (previous to the point of the timeline where the XY games take place). This particular variation of floette belonged to AZ, the once king of Kalos and a character that is found in the XY games. This particular floette was said to fight in that war and get killed, making this one king, AZ, get enraged and build a giant weapon that could take the lifeforce of everything in the region to revive his floette.

Going back on topic, zygarde's cell and core forms might be ancient as well, but I don't know how much. I mean they're cells (see: my point on reuniclus some days ago), and also a legendary that keeps order in the ecosystem, so it would make sense for it to be there previous to the ecosystem's beginning.

[Exalted]

interesting topic so if turns out the oldest known pokemon in recorded ingame history that is not a legendary is kabutops with a crazy 300 million years old followed by almost every other other fossil pokemon about a 100 million years old after that the oldest recorded pokemon(that is not a legendary) is mamoswine around 10.000 years old. so that means all hail the dome .

Edit:sorry i skipped this guy missed a few in the process of researching them there is relecanth at a 100 million years aswell and if fits youre conditions pretty well as it is clearly no legendary and isnt a fossil i would love to put aegislash. bronzong, golurk and sigiliph here but the oldest record of them in games is not clearly put there and are put a few thousand years in existence cause of the ancient human references and the locations there found at and just to finish it off about what i found about solrock and lunatone there is a refrence about them in the pokedex that identifies them as new spices of pokemon with oldest refrence for lunatone being 40 years so yeah not so old,

Edited December 4, 2015 by NovaKnight

[Genesis]

In that picture I can see:

• (Eternal flower) floette
• Rhyperior
• Golurk
• Steelix
• Salamence
• Lunatone
• Solrock
• Gyarados
• Talonflame
• Magnemite
• Bisharp
• Weavile
• Abomasnow
• Aggron
• Noivern
• Doublade and/or Honedge
• Mageton (shadow only, as it is covered by dust in the background)
• ??? (a weird shadow on the background that I'd say it might be either a hand or spikes, but I don't know for sure which pokemon is it).

The rest of what's features there I'm pretty sure are human warriors wearing armors and blades.

Regarding the poster itself:

Since eternal flower floette is featured, that's most likely a representation of the ancient battle that took place in the Kalos region 3000+ years ago (previous to the point of the timeline where the XY games take place). This particular variation of floette belonged to AZ, the once king of Kalos and a character that is found in the XY games. This particular floette was said to fight in that war and get killed, making this one king, AZ, get enraged and build a giant weapon that could take the lifeforce of everything in the region to revive his floette.

Going back on topic, zygarde's cell and core forms might be ancient as well, but I don't know how much. I mean they're cells (see: my point on reuniclus some days ago), and also a legendary that keeps order in the ecosystem, so it would make sense for it to be there previous to the ecosystem's beginning.

I guess the question here is does this classify as ancient? According to the literal defintiion it would be everything pre AD 476.

I am tempted to say that 3000 years before this would classify it as being ancient. It would also open my options up considerably. But I don't want to open them up so much so that there are almost no restrictions. I havent actually played pokemon XY or seen the movies relating to them. So gen 6 is all completely new to me at this point

I need to go through this entire thread and mark off the one's I have missed and update them all in the first post.

[Bessi]

maybe shiftry.he looks like a grandpa

[BIGJRA]

If we're assuming that Pokemon are directly similar to the evolution that occurred in our Earth, then this image is a good starting point for that kind of speculation.

Edited December 8, 2015 by BIGJRA

[Genesis]

If we're assuming that Pokemon are directly similar to the evolution that occurred in our Earth, then this image is a good starting point for that kind of speculation.

That image shows how everything started and just wow. haha I am trying to make sense of it all. It doesn't seem like I could use it as a timeline though seeing as how some fossil pokemon are classed with pokemon that definitely weren't around the time of fossils. If you have any direction on how I could factor it in I would greatly appreciate it

[Genesis]

Anybody got any idea on how old moon stone pokemon would be? Seeing as how Clefairy and igglytuff are being classified as ancient and their link is the moon stone.

Other pokemon in this group would be:

Munna http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Munna_(Pok%C3%A9mon) This seems to have been featured in ancient pokemon movies?

Nidoran male and female http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nidoqueen_(Pok%C3%A9mon) It mentions having distinct reptillian features. While I can't see Nidoqueen and NidoKing being on the moon they could be directly related maybe?

Skitty http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Skitty_(Pok%C3%A9mon) While skitty kind of does look a little like an extra terrestrial I am not 100% convinced

[0 Jordinio 0]

....Arceus? I mean, he's pretty much god in the poke-verse.

[mde2001]

In terms of Moon stone pokemon I don't think they must be old because of it.

The gen 1 lore for the clefairy line was that they were aliens which suggests that they aren't ancient pokemon as there would probably have been evidence of their historical existence. They could be though.