Tringus Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 So this year, Nintendo decided to do a little twist. Instead of banning legendaries such as Mewtwo, Reshiram, etc., they decided to allow them to be used for VGC 2016. However, they still decided to ban certain legendaries, such as the mythic legendaries (Hoopa, Mew, Deoxys, Jirachi, etc.) With the Day of the Legends ahead of us, what are your thoughts? I, for one, think it's the advent of the Legendary Cults. By that, I mean that people are going to be using them all over the place, and have groups with certain legendaries as their mascot. For example, there would most likely be a Rayquaza Cult, seeing as it is a usable legendary, and is also allowed to Mega Evolve. Maybe even a Kyurem Cult, or a Mewtwo Cult. I just have a feeling that it might happen. If there were Legendary Cults, I would most likely support the Rayquaza (MEGA BOSS!!!), Giratina (Favorite legendary besides Darkrai), and Kyurem (Kyurem's cool too) Cults, since there's no Arceus and Darkrai. GIRAKYUZA FOR THE WIN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURIE Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 They new we're never getting another main series game, so they needed to come up with a way to keep it from being an exact copy of this past year. Apparently their idea was to utterly break it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tringus Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 I would be surprised if Pokemon Z DID come out after they announced VGC's news. ORAS might actually be the last main games. XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mde2001 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I think that they are incredibly stupid. Meloetta is too overpowered but Mega Raquaza, Primal Groudon, Primal Kyogre and so on are fine. Why VGC why! They just seem to be running out of ways to change things up and make things interesting. They don't understand their own game and how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURIE Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I would be surprised if Pokemon Z DID come out after they announced VGC's news. ORAS might actually be the last main games. XD Uh, I was mostly joking about that part (mostly...) but keep in mind, if Pokemon Z were announced even today it wouldn't actually arrive until after the VGC finals in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tringus Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Maybe they're running out of ideas for Pokemon games, too. I know that I'm still anxiously waiting for Bang Bang the Gun Pokemon. *waits patiently for the reveal of Bang Bang* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzam Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Or you know. Maybe we're moving into a higher level of gameplay where we can successfully find checks and counters to these huge threats in a tier centered around doubles and skill. I don't like this decision, but I'm not opposed to it. Nothing will ever change in VGC if nothing new is introduced. Just look at the 2015 teams and usage results >>. The top 8 players at worlds alone all had Lando-T, 6 of them had mega kanga, 6 had Amoonguss, 5 had Cresselia, 4 had Thundurus, 6 had Heatran and 3 had Aegislash. What does it all mean? It means that everyone is scared to try something new. Weird. Now that VGC 16 is coming out everyone is worried it's going to change everything. And yet lots of players have been longing for change, they don't want to watch the team fight a mirror. I see the people complaining as people who are just disappointed in said change or do not want change in their tier at all. "These uber mons are just going to over-centralize the tier." Wouldn't be much different from before would it? Go ahead and disagree with me, but this is the standpoint I've taken on VGC 16 and I'm going to stick by it and watch how it all turns out as I try to actively participate in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJRA Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Or you know. Maybe we're moving into a higher level of gameplay where we can successfully find checks and counters to these huge threats in a tier centered around doubles and skill. I don't like this decision, but I'm not opposed to it. Nothing will ever change in VGC if nothing new is introduced. Just look at the 2015 teams and usage results >>. The top 8 players at worlds alone all had Lando-T, 6 of them had mega kanga, 6 had Amoonguss, 5 had Cresselia, 4 had Thundurus, 6 had Heatran and 3 had Aegislash. What does it all mean? It means that everyone is scared to try something new. Weird. Now that VGC 16 is coming out everyone is worried it's going to change everything. And yet lots of players have been longing for change, they don't want to watch the team fight a mirror. I see the people complaining as people who are just disappointed in said change or do not want change in their tier at all. "These uber mons are just going to over-centralize the tier." Wouldn't be much different from before would it? Go ahead and disagree with me, but this is the standpoint I've taken on VGC 16 and I'm going to stick by it and watch how it all turns out as I try to actively participate in it. I agree with Pyrrhon here. Although I would have preferred them allowing all of the Pokemon (Meloetta, Jirachi, etc.), it really won't be particularly harmful, and will force people to build their teams around potential threats. And the biggest crux of it is that you only get TWO of these potentially uber Pokemon, so honestly there won't be as much of a problem as there was last year for the teams that look identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Moved the topic to where it belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tringus Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Ahh, okay. (Note to self... Start reading them damn rules again, Trev!) R.I.P. My Skull On topic, but aren't uber Pokemon like Greninja, Aegislash, and Speed Boost Blaziken allowed in VGC now too? If that's the case, then there's going to be many similar teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shing Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Saw the rules. Now see the mega rayquaza and primial groudon everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darvan Korematsu Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I believe the biggest fear we have with the new metagame will be similar to what Pyrrhon said, only on a grander scale. The VGC 2015 metagame was pretty much plagued by Lando-T and Mega Kangaskhan, and everything else thrown in was gravy and up to the discretion of each player. The finals of the 2015 World Championships featured a mirror match split down the middle exactly, with the exception to one guy using Volcarona, and the other using Cresselia. Other than that, the usual suspects of Lando-T, Thundy, and the usual generic mons. Anyways, on to my main point: I feel like since we aren't getting a new game when the new rules become official, then we're gonna see an overcentralization once more of the meta game, except with creatures that are MUCH harder to combat. Particularly the fact that there is no listed restriction for Primal Reversion as of yet, and how Primal doesn't trigger the Mega, I feel like we may be seeing more of those, because why the heck not. If we don't get a new game, I feel like the new legal Pokémon will overlap and overcentralize with what was last format's driving force, and mix it together into one giant cluster fk that will power creep mostly everything that was even remotely viable in VGC 15. *Drops the mic* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymdall Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 The main problem I see is overcentralization as per usual, but at least with VGC2015, the overcentralized mons had some ways of being dealt with, or at least there was a Rock-Paper-Scissors kind of scenario. Aegislash beat Cress, Cress beat Lando-T, and Lando-T beat Aegis, ect ect. At least, that's how it goes on paper, you never know how the actual battles go. The issue with things like...let's go with Mega Rayquaza, for an example. Your initial thought is, "oh, it's a Dragon/Flying type, I can just pick an Ice move and it will die." Except it has Delta Stream, which nullifies all Flying weaknesses. So now your Weavile(or most likely Mamoswine, since it can live a Life Orb Extremespeed from M-Ray)'s Ice Shard doesn't kill, and you're down a Pokemon and your opponent is probably annihilating your team at this point. If Game Freak had to do something to shake it all up, I would've preferred something similar to what they were doing with the Battle Spot rating battles, where a banlist is enforced based purely on the most overused things. All those generic threats from last year? Gone. I would like to see a metagame where something like that happens, but considering that I'm sure 90% of the competitors would cry foul, it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuthorReborn Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 So looking at the ban list, it looks as if we won't be getting Volcanion by the time that the VGC events are going on, which indicates late 2016 release for it. And, to be completely honest, that's a damn shame, as Volcanion would be an excellent Kyogre counter due to Water Absorb and it could also take out Groudon if acoompanied by a Cloud Nine user, like Lickilicky or Altaria. I think it will be very... interesting to see what happens with VGC 2016, as it's very likely to be a doubles version of ubers, with people running specific mons to counter very popular ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DashingStorm Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I have three words for the new VGC "meta": Fuck. Mega. Rayquaza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tringus Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 While I'm a little disappointed that we don't have legendaries such as Arceus and Darkrai, I'd actually have to say it's a bit better this way, as Jirachi is a pain in the ass to deal with sometimes. Honestly, I'm just still surprised MEGA Rayquaza is allowed. I get that they decided to allow legendaries, but since Mega Rayquaza is above ubers, that could have been the only legendary besides the mystic legendaries banned. But it's allowed, so now it's an all-out war, and all hell breaks loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzam Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 This vid explains why mega ray isn't as good as you may think in a doubles setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzlybrand Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 God damn weather wars all over gain I was sick of this shit in Black/White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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