I need help with building my team. Badly.

Toria · February 13, 2016

Ok, so I am setting up a new team mid-game (farthest point I've gotten to is route 1) because my old one was thrown together on a whim. So I am requesting help on what moves I should give them or if I should replace them altogether.

These two are the only original team pokemon I left on my team:

Charizard:

Ability: Solar Power

Moves: Flamethrower, Air Slash, Heat Wave, and fire spin

Nature: Timid

Noivern:

Ability: Telepathy

Moves: Super Fang, Dragon Pulse, Air Slash, and Boomburst

Nature: Quiet

Ok, the rest of these are the recruits and their movesets a are nowhere near finished. Also feel free to tell me to replace any of them or the previously mention.

Donphan:

Ability: Sand Veil

Moves: Hidden Power (idk what it is yet) Rollout, Fury Attack, and Rock Smash

Nature: Quiet

Emolga:

Ability: Motor Drive

Moves: Nuzzle, Electro Ball, Double Team, and Acrobatics

Nature: Lax

Nidorina (soon to be Nidoqueen):

Ability: Rivalry

Moves: Double kick, Venom Drench, Bite, and Strength

Nature: Rash

Gardevoir:

Ability: Synchronize

Moves: Psychic, Magical Leaf, Moonblast, and Calm Mind

Nature: Calm

Ok yeeeeah I know I have 3 flying types, but I didn't catch any of them to be a flying type.....

Sooo yeah, please and thanks!

saltwater · February 13, 2016

Even though Reborn is significantly harder than a standard pokemon game it still allows you more freedom with team choice than say competitive battling. So keeping certain pokemon you like is fine and shouldn't effect your ability to beat the game too much but that being said there are a lot of shared weakness's within your team and competitively it would get destroyed. Most of your team is weak to ice, rock and water which are all fairly common types so this needs to be addressed.

I take it you want to keep Charizard and Noivern as the core so it's important you bring pokemon that can deal with their counters or that wall them out, but first you need to address the movesets you're running on both charizard and noiverns which are far from optimal.

This is how my charizard looks:

Timid nature 252 speed 252 Spe.Attack

Flamethrower

Air slash

Dragon Pulse

Heat wave

Having 3 movesets taken up by fire moves is not ideal, dragon pulse can be learned as an egg move for extra coverage.

Noivern is mainly a special attacker but has some good utility as a support pokemon, with access to tailwind, whirlwind and roost you could set up a tailwind then sweep from there using whirlwind to make your opponent switch when walled. Whirlwind + entry hazard abuse is also an option if you put a stealth rocks/toxic spikes poke on your team. Using a move like superfang who's attack power drops when your hp drops on a pokemon with low base attack is pretty useless as well.

There's a few sets you could use but again its dependent on what approach you take, I'd say the most standard one is:

Noivern infiltrator/telepathy

Modest nature 252 HP 252 Spe.Att

Tailwind

Roost

Boomburst

Dragonpulse

Both noivern and charizard can hit most pokemon for at least neutral damage but steel and fairy types resist alot of your moveset on both pokemon with carbink and diancie completely walling you out. You may want to consider adding A: Additional fire support for the steel types B: A steel/poison type to deal with the fairy type and C: A water type to deal with the rock types. Empoleon is a good choice Steel+water dual type is a solid typing and he has some solid bulk but he would increase your vunerability to electric types, keeping nidoqueen is viable as she is immune to their electric weakness and has stab poison moves. Personally I'd abandon nidoqueen though, she has fairly average stats I'd bring in a pokemon like Mamoswine. Mamoswine has an insane attack stat, electric immunity and a decent speed stat (80) which under tailwind can make him a serious threat.

Suggested set:

Mamoswine - oblivious

Adamant 252 attack 252 speed

Icicle crash

thrash

earthquake

Bite

Keeping gardevoir is fine as she is a solid special attacker but most steel types resist her movepool meaning your last slot will most defintely be taken up a fire type.

Arcanine is a solid shout and one of my personal favourites but you could also consider houndoom/camerupt or ninetales.

Here's my Arcanine:

Adamant nature 252 att 252 speed

Close combat

extremespeed

flareblitz

outrage

This move set hits everything for at least neutral damage.

robiseljak · February 13, 2016

I'd replace Emolga with Magnezone for great electric/steel coverage. Fairly decent moveset (no thunderbolt unfortunately) but discharge got me through every hard spot in the game, and with sturdy it just makes killing some opponents really easy (yeah Ciel, I'm looking at you).

Toria · February 13, 2016

On 2/13/2016 at 9:35 AM, saltwater said:

Even though Reborn is significantly harder than a standard pokemon game it still allows you more freedom with team choice than say competitive battling. So keeping certain pokemon you like is fine and shouldn't effect your ability to beat the game too much but that being said there are a lot of shared weakness's within your team and competitively it would get destroyed. Most of your team is weak to ice, rock and water which are all fairly common types so this needs to be addressed.

I take it you want to keep Charizard and Noivern as the core so it's important you bring pokemon that can deal with their counters or that wall them out, but first you need to address the movesets you're running on both charizard and noiverns which are far from optimal.

This is how my charizard looks:

Timid nature 252 speed 252 Spe.Attack

Flamethrower

Air slash

Dragon Pulse

Heat wave

Having 3 movesets taken up by fire moves is not ideal, dragon pulse can be learned as an egg move for extra coverage.

Noivern is mainly a special attacker but has some good utility as a support pokemon, with access to tailwind, whirlwind and roost you could set up a tailwind then sweep from there using whirlwind to make your opponent switch when walled. Whirlwind + entry hazard abuse is also an option if you put a stealth rocks/toxic spikes poke on your team. Using a move like superfang who's attack power drops when your hp drops on a pokemon with low base attack is pretty useless as well.

There's a few sets you could use but again its dependent on what approach you take, I'd say the most standard one is:

Noivern infiltrator/telepathy

Modest nature 252 HP 252 Spe.Att

Tailwind

Roost

Boomburst

Dragonpulse

Both noivern and charizard can hit most pokemon for at least neutral damage but steel and fairy types resist alot of your moveset on both pokemon with carbink and diancie completely walling you out. You may want to consider adding A: Additional fire support for the steel types B: A steel/poison type to deal with the fairy type and C: A water type to deal with the rock types. Empoleon is a good choice Steel+water dual type is a solid typing and he has some solid bulk but he would increase your vunerability to electric types, keeping nidoqueen is viable as she is immune to their electric weakness and has stab poison moves. Personally I'd abandon nidoqueen though, she has fairly average stats I'd bring in a pokemon like Mamoswine. Mamoswine has an insane attack stat, electric immunity and a decent speed stat (80) which under tailwind can make him a serious threat.

Suggested set:

Mamoswine - oblivious

Adamant 252 attack 252 speed

Icicle crash

thrash

earthquake

Bite

Keeping gardevoir is fine as she is a solid special attacker but most steel types resist her movepool meaning your last slot will most defintely be taken up a fire type.

Arcanine is a solid shout and one of my personal favourites but you could also consider houndoom/camerupt or ninetales.

Here's my Arcanine:

Adamant nature 252 att 252 speed

Close combat

extremespeed

flareblitz

outrage

This move set hits everything for at least neutral damage.

My charizard and noivern have super fang and fire spin because I didn't know what to put their so i just kept about moves I had at that point.

Only reason I got Nidoqueen was because I needed a poison type and her was the first one I had.

Thanks for your help btw it's really useful!

bepe · February 13, 2016

If you want a poison type, go with nidoking. It's faster and stronger than nidoqueen, and it's special set with sheer force is very good. It learns earth power at level 43 and sludge wave by tm for good stab coverage, and you can also teach it something like shadow ball. If you hold off evolving your nidorino until level 35 you can get toxic spikes as well for good utility. Get it a timid nature with 252 sp. attack and 252 speed.

Toria · February 13, 2016

Yeah I thought midpoint is probably offensively a whole load better

bepe · February 13, 2016

Nidoqueen is good for bulkier teams, but with the more offensive pokemon you have like charizard, noivern, and gardevoir i thing nidoking is a better fit.

Toria · February 13, 2016

I'll probably use him he seems to be a good poison type

Edit: you think I could use Arbok in place of Nidoking because nidoran makes ate has to find

Edited February 13, 2016 by Toria

Luna · February 14, 2016

well first off, you dont need to find a nidoran male you just have to buy one at the onyx arcade. ok now prepare for a long/very long-ish post.

Completing/finishing reborn with a team of 6 pokemon is kinda hard.you can do it but having sub team members would make it easier since you can swap around stuff as and when you need them. Your team is special attack heavy and a spdef wall can make your team suffer(throws in a Cofagrigus). I would balance out the team by having 3 sp atkers and 3 physical attackers so you will not get walled.

For all my runs in reborn/most pokemon games i have 1 gimmick pokemon and a team of pick up pokemons. pick up pokemon helps you get free stuff when you are EV training and grinding lvl and stuff. Gimmick pokemon helps kill those pesky over leveled pokemons an annoying bosses for reborn's case(which you are gonna fight soon and i guess you faced a few earlier pulse abra and giant steelix)

So 1st advice from me to you is to build up a pick up team(best pick up pokemon is meowth imho). Next make a gimmick pokemon. What is a gimmick pokemon? oh simple it is those pokemon which can kill higher lvl pokemon using moves/strats with certain moves like perish song/destiny bond/sturdy+counter/metal burst. a good example of a gimmick pokemon is murkrow with prankster+perish song.

Ok now for you current team member and how to improve/ make them effective i have listed the move set/Best nature/Best EV/Best ability/Item too below. so you can change them accordingly.You can keep them as a sub team member once you have adjusted them. as i said earlier you team is special attack heavy and that has to be fixed.

If you need to know where to find the items/TM just head over to this thread ---> Here<--- it should help you.If you need help with breeding go to this thread --> Here <--- just head over to the thread and you should know what are egg moves.You dont really need to bother about nature/EV since it kinda cleared the game without having decent natures or EV on my first try so yeah nature and ev are not so important.

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Ok now lets work on making your main team better first off you need a grass type in you team to deal with water types so pick anyone of the grass types i have listed down below. i would go for either jumpluff(physical Atk) or Roserade(special Atk) but it is up to you. i listed the grass types which re available at the point of the game you are at. i would replace either emolga /noivern/nidorina with once grass type.

Special Attack grass types

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Physical attack Grass types

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Ok next you can upgrade you electric type since emolga is kinda meh and not gonna be so useful in late game. personally i would replace Emolga with Either Ampharos. Heliolisk or Magnazone. since you have solar power on charizard so i would use a sun team so heliolisk would be awesome in sun team. Also listed the electric types you can consider for your team below. well there are not many decent physical atk electric types available early-mid game so i would go for a special atk one instead.

Special Attack Electric type

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Physical Attack Electric type

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Donphan is a good ground type but is kinda slow you can keep donphan if you like but you can also consider adding other ground types which are better.Also i would remove nidoqueen because well nidoqueen's are mostly build to do special attack and as i said earlier your team can be walled by a spdef wall. you can put in a nidoking but you will have to replace donphan with it since having too many ground types in a team is also no good. Anyways i have listed the other ground types you can replace donphan. not gonna put special attack ground types because well you should know why.

Physical Atk Ground Types

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Gardevoir is good so you can keep it in you team now all your team needs is a good fighting type to round out the weakness of your team.i would go for heracross/scrafty/Hariyama. heracross because he can deal a lot of dmg and his move pool is not that bad and scarfty/hariyama because they are tanky and can take hits. You could go for a medicham but you would have to replace gardevoir if you want to do that. same thing again ther is a list of fighting type below which you can choose.

Physical Atk Fighting type

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Samples of what team you can mix and match from the pokemon i suggested:

Team 1

Charizard,Jumpluff,Gardevoir,Magnezone,Flygon,Heracross

Team 2

Charizard,Roserade,Medicham,Scrafty,Heliolisk,Excadrill

Team 3

Charizard,Jumpluff,Heliolisk,Gardevoir,Nidoking,Scrafty

Oh almost forgot gimmick pokemon can be very useful when vsing bosses so i highly recommend making once. Example of gimmick pokemon are below.

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Ok now for a TLDR:

1) Your team has too much special attacking pokemon and can be walled by Sp def walls

2) Get a gimmick pokemon to help with bosses

3) Make a pick up team to get free stuffs while Grinding/Ev Training

4) You can have sub/reserve members

5) Mix and match so that your team is not physical or special attack heavy

6) Ev training, perfect IV and good nature are not so important you can play the game and finish it if you have a decent team and subs.

7) When building a team try to cover the team members weakness with other team member

8) Sample team around the end of the post have 3 of them there so just head over there to see the sample teams.

9) There are not many TM in reborn yet so try to use pokemons which have a good move pool and dont really need TM

Edited February 15, 2016 by Luna

Shad_ · February 14, 2016

Luna i swear your posts scare me sometimes D:

Well, i'd give a suggestion for a team too, but Luna already gave you perfect teams/advices

Luna · February 15, 2016

Lolz i did give a warning that the post was gonna be long hehe. Oh and added more to the TLDR kinda forgot some points.

Toria · February 15, 2016

Welp, that covers everything thanks a ton Luna!

Bye, everyone I'm going to the grinding pit, see you in 3 years.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Toria

Luna · February 15, 2016

No problem. Well i did not cover how to use them gimmick pokemon,i m sure you know how to use them. also did not cover what pokemons can be subs/reserve team and what subs/reserves are good for the future battles because i did not want to spoil the later parts of the game.

Toria · February 15, 2016

Actually I've already completed the game, but I had reserved then so I decided to make it harder and nuzlockes are a little extrem for me so I'm using a set 6 pokemon starting now (lucky me ampharos was part of my original team I just screwed up his moveset, but I can fix that.) yeah again thanks for the advice

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