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[Chase]

I'm with Lucky on this one - as the origin of the name often denotes the pronunciation.

Decidueye is a really, really, neat Pokemon in that while it's two previous evolutions are flying Pokemon that are even more hampered against Ice type moves, Decidueye drops that for lesser "super" effective weakness to Ice and two immunitys.

One of the reasons Grass types are not very prevalent in higher tiers is because their typing almost requires them to be bulky in order for them to be able to be justifiable. Decidueye being a ghost however, at least allows for it to be switched in to an obvious Fighting or Normal type move and prepare some set-up or go for it's signature move to trap an opponent and get off some damage.

The move matters because it essentially gives it better trapping capabilities than most Pokemon, and thus allows for it to circumvent it's weak typing. In terms of competitive viability, the Grass starter might actually be the best Pokemon offered by Kukui. Again, it depends on typing.

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Looking at Decidueye from a standpoint of origin - it's Ghost typing is actually unique in comparison to other ghosts in that it's "ghostly" tag comes from it being incredibly stealthy - as opposed to a Pokemon like Pallosand (and several previous others) where the Pokemon is possessed or straight up -is- an ethereal spirit.

As far as learn-sets are concerned, Robin Hood should have Grass, Flying, and Ghost moves at it's disposal. The latter two make it a great out against Fighting and more importantly Bug types when fully evolved. Bug has the potential to reach new heights this generation, so that's a big deal.

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I wonder what kind of Hidden Ability is appropriate for Decidueye. Playing it safe, Keen Eye, Insomnia, and Levitate come to mind first.

• Keen Eye: The incredibly useless option that may make sense due to Pokemon. It's a bird/archer.
• Insomnia: Another incredibly useless option that comes from Rowlett's evolutionary line. It would make more sense for all three than...
• Levitate: One that would be neat for Decidueye and may make sense as it's a Ghost type, giving it immunity to Ground as well. Even under the notion that Robin Hood is a ghost due to stealth, it's evolutionary line is known to have wings, so flying is definitely possible with this Pokemon biologically.

However, there are a few I think fit well too.

• Sniper: See: Archer
• Infiltrator: If the Pokemon is inspired by Robin Hood, then Infiltrator is a fantastic ability that compliment's Decidueye's trapping ability with the ability to maneuver even more against people who are not trying to switch out.
• Gale Wings: Another stronger ability that would fit with Rowlett's entire line quite well, meaning sensible carry-over.

[pyrromanis]

A new japanese trailer was uploaded and my boiz "Hau" and "Sun" are preparing for VGC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VC_GAHetj0

We also see 2 new Z-moves. The 1st is Alolan Exeggutor's exclusive Z-move called Breakneck Blitz and it's hilarious af! The second one it's either Minior's exclusive Z-move or rock type Z-move that summons a giant meteor and crashes on the opponent.

Theory:

At the end of the video we see the kid that is supposed to be "Sun" leaving Alola and going either back home or another place. That absolutely screams we can visit another region!!!

[Swampellow]

A new japanese trailer was uploaded and my boiz "Hau" and "Sun" are preparing for VGC!

We also see 2 new Z-moves. The 1st is Alolan Exeggutor's exclusive Z-move called Breakneck Blitz and it's hilarious af! The second one it's either Minior's exclusive Z-move or rock type Z-move that summons a giant meteor and crashes on the opponent.

According to serebii, the first z-move is actually the normal type z move, and the second is the rock type one.

Also according to that trailer, Charjabug evolves into Vikavolt at level freakin' 40! That is a very high leveled bug, especially if it is supposed to be the early game bug.

[NickCrash]

In my opinion, Decidueye's most probable HA is Sniper as it fits both the theme of the archer, but also the stealth theme that turned the pokemon into a ghost type. Besides, it's also boosting moves it's bound to have, such as Leaf Blade, Air Cutter, Sky Attack and Shadow Claw. All of those have a high crit chance.

Other possible abilities are Infiltrator and Compoundeyes.

As for the others, the Siren pokemon may have Serene Grace, while the Wrestler looks like the Mold Breaker type.

[Azeria]

I'm seeing Infiltrator, Technician or Sniper for Decidueye.

Incineroar is probably Tough Claws or Intimidate.

Primarina will probably have Serene Grace or Pixilate.....maybe Prankster. Big maybe there.

[Jmanultrax1]

I think decidueye might have levitate, infiltrator, sniper

Incineroar might have mold breaker, huge power, moxie

Primarina might have serene grace, water absorb, marvel scale

[CURIE]

Dragonite is in the demo code and no mega model has been found for it soo.......

Correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't look at the datamine but was instead told by someone else, but weren't the sprites for the summary menu, and therefore no in-battle forms were seen, not even Ashninja? If so that means technically any mega is still possible, but increasingly unlikely at this point.

[Guzam]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't look at the datamine but was instead told by someone else, but weren't the sprites for the summary menu, and therefore no in-battle forms were seen, not even Ashninja? If so that means technically any mega is still possible, but increasingly unlikely at this point.

Battle preview models were found, not menu sprites. And Megas were included there. So it's highly unlikely that there are new Megas, but they could just be hiding content, who knows.

[Chase]

Serene Grace Fairy types or Fairy typical Pokemon are so overdone it's not even funny - but Primarina is a solid candidate for being one, admittedly.

There's a semi-high likelihood that the starters may get abilities that don't exist yet as hiddens, as that's what happened last year with Chesnaught (Bulletproof), Delphox (Magician), and Greninja (Protean) last time around.

Another thing that may be focused on this year from a starter group perspective is abilities that not only provide an immunity, but an effect of some kind when hit by certain moves.

Like this:

Decidueye: Sap Sipper - Boosts Attack when hit by a Grass type move.

Incineroar: Flash Fire - Boosts the power of Fire type moves when hit by a Fire type move.

Primarina: Water Absorb - Regains HP when hit by a Water type move.

Thematically, these starters each feel like there's a gimmick that makes those immunity causing abilities to make sense. Decidueye technically is a bird, making it superior to competing plants already even without the Flying typing. Incineroar is a cheap fighter Pokemon that feeds off of "lit" crowds, making it make sense if it's hit with hot moves to get even more pumped up. Primarina's chances seem to be better in wet environments, when there's more water to use at it's disposal.

[Character OS]

Only read the last couple pages, but I feel like jumping into the discussion anyways. Or I should say, gushing.

I am quite pleasantly surprised that Rowlet becomes a Ghost in its final evolution. Grass/Flying is a pretty interesting type to me, but Grass/Ghost even more so. I'm also relieved that Incineroar and Primarina turned out to be part Dark and Fairy like predicted - another Fire/Fighting or pure Water type would've been more boring. That being said, although Decidueye looks like a really cool Pokemon with the best-looking signature move and its pre-evolutions look so classy, I'll probably still be choosing Popplio to start with. And I may just be being hopeful, but I wouldn't write out Primarina's signature move just yet - we don't know the base power/accuracy of each move yet, and while balance has never been a priority, I don't think Game Freak would be so blatantly unfair as to give Prima a totally outclassed signature while letting the other two starters have potentially useful stuff. It might be extra powerful to compensate for the potential burn heal (if it were Hydro Pump with 100 accuracy, I'd totally use it), or it might be like Wake-Up Slap (which would kinda suck, but it'd set it apart).

I really like how the Pokemon leaks this generation are getting some short descriptions - it feels like they add a lot more character to each Pokemon species than the typical Pokedex entries do. I think it's a large part of why I'm so hyped for the new Pokemon - I wouldn't be nearly as excited for some of the newcomers if all I had was an image and a few small details about them. Some Pokemon, like Drampa, Oranguru, and Mimikyu, I've downright fallen in love with due to their descriptions, and although I was completely uninterested in Litten before, Incineroar's description has made me think 'hey, this Pokemon is really cool as well'. I am also quite excited by how it seems like it's possible to fix IVs this gen - no more spending ridiculous amounts of time breeding and I may actually decide to try my hand at competitive battling again (not a big fan of Showdown, or Shoddy Battle before it).

I'm also quite interested with what directions they'll take with these 'Ultra Beasts' - that's another thing that got me interested in this generation, the idea that we'll have these mysterious and powerful non-Pokemon abominations to contend with. While part of me is a little disappointed that they seem to be catchable and usable like every other Pokemon, I still love the idea of them and hope to find them playing an impressive role in the game's story/gameplay. Might be disappointed to expect things from the storyline of a mainstream Pokemon game, but I've got hope.

Main things I'm disappointed by is the seemingly low number of new Pokemon that wasn't already revealed, as well as the lack of new Mega Evolutions, but I'm still holding out some hope that not everything they have in store in terms of new Pokemon was in the demo.

Edited October 28, 2016 by Character OS

[pbood2]

The new JP trailer that just came out has LOTS of new information such as popplio learning aqua jet, torracat having fire blast, turtonator having flamethrower, etc and I'm still watching it but we also see the bug and psychic z moves in it which is cool.

I feel like there could be some potential things to discuss with these last few trailers that have recently come out.

[OpalWardMusicFan]

Am I the only one who likes:

Incineroar

Yungoos

Pyukumuku

and

Cosmog?

I see so much hatred for Incineroar and it makes me sad.

[NickCrash]

I see so much hatred for Incineroar and it makes me sad.

Incineroar is not bad per se. Had there not been Emboar, the people would not have made such a fuss over their resemblance.

[Ironbound]

I'm just glad there finally is an actual tiger, besides Raikou which is not even really a tiger.

But the name is lazy and it sucks. Especially since Pyroar exists. Couldn't they have made a more creative pun? Tigristle? Sabrawl? Roguier? Anything but Incineroar.

Sigh.

Also it's seven generations in and we still don't have anything close to a dolphin, besides Kyogre by technicality. Wth, GF.

[Phi-Bi]

I'm just glad there finally is an actual tiger, besides Raikou which is not even really a tiger.

But the name is lazy and it sucks. Especially since Pyroar exists. Couldn't they have made a more creative pun? Tigristle? Sabrawl? Roguier? Anything but Incineroar.

Sigh.

That's why you nicknamed them. Perhaps it is GF's intention. I like Incineroar especially after the trailer, its personality is cool. However, Decidueye win me already so sorry buff cat.

[NickCrash]

A better original name beats nicknames every time. Personally I would rather own a member of a species with a cool name and choose to give it a nickname (usually a punny one) than feel forced to name it, after seeing how horrible the species name is.

I'm hoping for a Fire type UB with a close connection to space travel, named Arsonaut.

[Chase]

I like Beltigre and Yungoos!

I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and own BOTH copies of the game this time. I like Litten -and- Rowlet equally, and I really want to see how the 12 hour difference works in Moon come Christmas time.

I'm getting Sun first because I want to use Midday Lycanroc on my team. That team looks as follows as of right now

- Incineroar

- Tsareena

- Wishiwashi

- Lycanroc

- Kommo-o

- Vikavolt (I have indeed succumbed.)/ Pikipek

I wanted to of course core-up with Litten first, and it's seemingly pretty likely we could find Wishiwashi -and- Bounsweet fairly early (the former because it's first form is potentially pretty weak, and the latter because three-stage grass types tend to be found quite early.)

Rockruff > Lycanroc became the next pretty neat Pokemon, but I'm not exactly coring up and synergizing because I also like Kommo-o and want to use both here. This has left me in a pretty big bind when deciding what my six-spot Pokemon should be. Because of PokeRide seemingly doing away with HMs, I figured I wouldn't -need- to go with a Flying type here - giving Vikavolt the inside track on Pikipek. However, if Fly is still necessary, the Alolan bird Pokemon might see that spot instead.

For my Moon Team, here's what I'm thinking about.

- Decidueye

- Crabrawler (PLEASE get a water typing when you evolve...you're a friggin' crab, for Pete's sake)

- Mudsdale

- Turtonator

- Alolan Exeggutor/Wimpod (depending on if Crabrawler DOESN'T get a water typing)

- Alolan Raticate

Coring up this time, I wanted to get the Fighting/Dark/Psychic core in some fashion, while still having a FWG core intact as well. This team might provide a bit of difficulty in my run too, so that's always nice.

[Azeria]

FYI,Crabrawler PROBABLY won't get it, it's based off of a Coconut Crab, those drown in water.

[WanderingCorvus]

Honestly, I like Incineroar's design. At first, I was dissapointed it was another bipedal fire type. Then, I realized that it looked like the Garmraid from Super Robot Wars. Heck, its Darkest Lariat even looks the the strongest move you can use with Garmraid...minus the spinning. That's when it won me over.

The attack in question:

https://youtu.be/F8X_CwDGN4k?t=1m29s

[pyrromanis]

Crabrawler might probably evolve into a water type, cause there were various footage showing it using water moves like Bubble.

[pbood2]

I'm just glad there finally is an actual tiger, besides Raikou which is not even really a tiger.

But the name is lazy and it sucks. Especially since Pyroar exists. Couldn't they have made a more creative pun? Tigristle? Sabrawl? Roguier? Anything but Incineroar.

Sigh.

Also it's seven generations in and we still don't have anything close to a dolphin, besides Kyogre by technicality. Wth, GF.

Tapu Fini when it closes completely is a dolphin looking thing so there you go.

[NickCrash]

Remember how the genies were palette-swapped and then the Therian formes had different designs? I hope the same happens to the Tapus, since Fini does not resemble a dolphin at its current state. And no, Viri, Kyogre is an orca and common dolphins are still nowhere to be found in the pokemon world.

Unless they have a Mediterranian country in mind for their next games (the seas are filled with dolphins there), I cannot justify them for not giving one to Hawaii. Even something weird like a Rock dolphin living on a lake atop a mountain would do.

[Azeria]

Remember how the genies were palette-swapped and then the Therian formes had different designs? I hope the same happens to the Tapus, since Fini does not resemble a dolphin at its current state. And no, Viri, Kyogre is an orca and common dolphins are still nowhere to be found in the pokemon world.

Unless they have a Mediterranian country in mind for their next games (the seas are filled with dolphins there), I cannot justify them for not giving one to Hawaii. Even something weird like a Rock dolphin living on a lake atop a mountain would do.

Considering I'm pretty sure S/M are getting proper sequels ala BW2, alternate forms aren't that unlikely though I don't see the tapus getting them tbh. I don't really care for dolphins so it doesn't matter -that- much to me though.

[Character OS]

Am I the only one who likes:

Incineroar

Yungoos

Pyukumuku

and

Cosmog?

I see so much hatred for Incineroar and it makes me sad.

The only thing I don't like on this list is Yungoos tbh. While I agree the name isn't very inspired, I do like the design of Incineroar itself. Just not compared to the other starters

I'm still holding off on planning a team because I have no idea about Pokemon availability but...I'm fairly sure that Mimikyu, Alolan Vulpix, and Bounsweet are going in my party as soon as possible, no matter what else I have. I don't even care if Mimikyu sucks gameplay-wise (though I hope it doesn't), I just feel compelled to use it at some point. Jangmo-O's line, Oranguru, the anchor thing, Wimpish, that sand castle, etc. and a lot more Pokemon all look cool too, so we'll see what I do with those...

[Monochrome_Complex]

I've seen a lot of praise for Incineroar since the trailer so he's divisive at worst. Personally I think he's awesome.

I preordered my copy today, paid the whole thing too. Now for the hardest part: the wait.