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Hello guys. I am currently playing Reborn and this is my 5-man Team so Far. I'm thinking of adding some good special sweeper for my team because 4 of my Pokemon are Physical Sweeper. I'm currently heading towards Samson so all of my Pokemon are currently Level 70. Any helps are very much appreciated.

BLAZIKEN

Nature: Adamant

Ability: Speed Boost

-Blaze Kick

-Brave Bird

-Sky Uppercut

-Bulk Up

AZUMARILL

Nature: Adamant

Ability: Huge Power

-Aqua tail

-Play rough

-Aqua jet

-Belly drum

METAGROSS

Nature: Adamant

Ability: Clear Body

-Zen headbutt

-Meteor mash

-Hammer arm

-Bullet punch

TYRANTRUM

Nature: Adamant

Ability: Rock head

-Earthquake

-Dragon dance

-Head smash

-Horn drill

Lilligant

Nature: Modest

Ability: Own Tempo

-Petal dance

-Synthesis

-Giga drain

-Sleep powder

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ok before i post a long-ish post on team advice and stuff gotta ask you are you doing any "special" runs. ie mono run only 6 pokemon team run or anything of that nature. gotta confirm because i m gonna suggest some substitute/back-up pokemon so you can swap around and not just run with 6 pokemon only. but yeah before that long post gonna tell ya what i think of your team and what you can do to some what improve your current team.

Ok your current team is physical atk heavy and can be walled out by a strong def wall. i m sure you are aware of this since you did say your are planning to add sp sweepers to your team. EV/Nature/items/moves and abilities for each of your team will be modified to what i think is the best set up.this purely my opinion and you an choose to follow them if you like or change them around as you like. The modification are below in the spoiler tag.

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so that is what i would do to improve your team once you confirm that you are not doing some "special" run or something i will give my suggestion on what are good team member to have for your team. Anyways good luck and enjoy.

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I'd be adding alakazam to your team. That will help considerably with samson as well as special attacking in one. Abra can be gotten from the 7th street pokemon vendor.

Otherwise consider a fairy such as gardevoir, florges, or if you ca be bothered grinding in the circus, there is a clefairy up for grabs.

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  On 2/27/2016 at 5:24 AM, Luna said:

ok before i post a long-ish post on team advice and stuff gotta ask you are you doing any "special" runs. ie mono run only 6 pokemon team run or anything of that nature. gotta confirm because i m gonna suggest some substitute/back-up pokemon so you can swap around and not just run with 6 pokemon only. but yeah before that long post gonna tell ya what i think of your team and what you can do to some what improve your current team.

Ok your current team is physical atk heavy and can be walled out by a strong def wall. i m sure you are aware of this since you did say your are planning to add sp sweepers to your team. EV/Nature/items/moves and abilities for each of your team will be modified to what i think is the best set up.this purely my opinion and you an choose to follow them if you like or change them around as you like. The modification are below in the spoiler tag.

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so that is what i would do to improve your team once you confirm that you are not doing some "special" run or something i will give my suggestion on what are good team member to have for your team. Anyways good luck and enjoy.

No sir. I'm not doing any special runs. I am currently playing Reborn for the first time. I want to maximize my Pokemon's damage so I'm getting Adamant/Modest nature for them. But I'm thinking of having 6 Pokemon I can call a Team and get other Pokemon for substitutions etc. All of my Pokemon have 252 Attk/Sp. Attk and 252 Speed EVs because my friend says all of Ciel's Pokemon can outspeed mine so I grind all of them to get 252 Speed EVs. I'm not really good at Pokemon because I just played Reborn a Month ago. Sorry for all the trouble :3

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well actually you do not need any EV/IV to clear reborn but speed EV on metagross and azumarill is kinda useless. Hp makes them tanky. they are bulky sweepers so they are suppose to be out speed because they can take the hits. well speed nature are more useful for those set up pokemon because you are boosting the atk stat. say for example Tyrantrum with Jolly nature can set up Dragon Dance faster than most 71 or below base speed pokemon. so if you are really worried about getting out-speed i would go for speed boosting natures (Jolly/Timid). Brave and Quiet Natures are for trick room users/slow pokemon. so not all the time modest/Adamant nature are the best but to make things easy yes they are the best nature to just smack on any pokemon.

Now with that aside time for a super long post you have been warned,this post is gonna be long and dont worry there will be a TLDR at the end.

Ok i assume you still have access to the daycare since you say that you are heading to samson. if you are reading this DO NOT go to agate yet because once you go to agate city there is no turning back and you can't change nature,breed and you have limited pokemon to work with unless you have older episodes to go back to Reborn city. But going back to older episodes is risky cause it might make your save file corrupt or something so i do not recommend doing so. Just dont go to agate yet until you prepared a decent team of 6 plus subs.Did i mention DO NOT enter agate.

well it is usually better to run with a team with 3 Special Attacker and 3 Physical Attackers so that you cant get walled so badly. I would go for duo types since having duo types in a team would be better since you can cover more without swapping around too much. so i would kinda stay away from mono types like Lilligant but Lilligant is actually a decent grass type but there are others which can do a better job and cover more since they are duo type.

Chapter 1: Starting from scratch

Ok now lets remove every single member except your starter. in order to make a team of six we need to start from the basics/fresh start so that it is easy to build your team.Ok Blaziken is weak to water,ground,flying and psychic. so getting a grass type into you team will deal with the water and ground weakness. Step 1 is to add a grass type to you team.should it be physical or special well that is up to you.so here is a list of grass types which are good just pick one a duo type grass type is better.I would go for Roserade if you want a good special atk grass type and Gourgeist/Trevenant if you choose to go for a physical atk grass type because ghost also takes care of the psychic weakness Blaziken has.

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Chapter 2: Covering Each others weakness

Okie back now let continue. Ok now we need something to counter grass which are flying,ice,poison,bug and fire. ice,fire and bug are covered by Blaziken and if you choose Gourgeist/Travenant/Roserade you will not need to worry about poison weakness which leaves us with flying and Blaziken also has a flying weakness too so the third pokemon can cover the 2 of them.I would personally go for an electric type since grass can cover electric type weakness to ground.Step 2: add a electric type into your team.I personally would go for Ampharos/Magnezone for special attack electric type and Eelektross/Raichu if you are going for physical attack electric type,Anyways the other options are below.

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Physical Attack Electric type

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Chapter 3: Crossroads

Now if you did not pick Gourgiest/Travenant as the grass type for you team you would still have psychic weakness for Blaziken and if you picked Roserade you will also have another pyschic weakness so the 4th slot of the team if for a psychic type killer if you picked roserade as a grass type if not this slot is for a fairy killer if you did not pick magnezone and if you did pic magnezone this slot if to cover up magnezone weakness. So Step 3 kinda depends on what are your first 3 pokemon of the team. so this section is gonna be kinda long cause i m gonna try to cover the 3 points i said 1)psychic killers,2)Fairy killers,3) Covering Magnezone's arse.

Chapter 3.1:Psychic type killers

Well at this point of team building you would already have 3 members in the team. If your team is still weak to a certain type you will need to cover them team members. Well if you choose blaziken+ any poison/grass type. your team will still be weak to Psychic types so we will need to add in either a ghost type, a dark type or a bug type. i personally prefer going with ghost type since most ghost types are weak to dark and blaziken can take care of the dark types. you can go with dark types here but you will need to put in a dark type which can deal with fighting a.k.a Honchkrow. Also there not many special attacking Dark types so you are kinda forced to run with a physical attack dark type. ghost type has more options and who does not like ghost type they are so cool XD. well i would go for Mismagius/Gengar/Cofagrigus/Froslass if you are going for special attack ghost types and Dirftblim/Dusknoir for physical ghost types.Bug types is also a viable choice but most of them are frail and the best bug type volcarona is a fire type yeah blaziken can cover him but yeah 2 fire in 1 team is ok but not advised.

There is also bug type which are always look down on but they are actually the hidden Oped. And i kinda forgot about bugs because hehe i rarely use them. i feel sad that i forgot them hahaha well they are alot of strong physical bug types which are available in reborn and they can pack a punch. Escavalier/Pinisir/Armaldo are good examples of physical bug type which can destroy. Well ther are also special atk bug type which can come in handy like Volcarona/vivilion/Galvantula/Butterfree/Yanmega. You can use the electric type to cover for the bug flying weakness and Blaziken can cover for the fire and rock weakness.

As for dark type Honchcrow/Drapion/Skuntank are must have if you are going for physical attack dark type.The only 3 dark types which are special attack and available in game are Houndoom,Greninja and Zoroark. i would not recomed going Houndoom because you already have a fire type in the team having 2 of the same type in a team is kinda pointless because they will share he same weakness and make your team vulnerable to that weakness. Greninja with protean is any type depending on what move he has but he is a starter and not available in any event yet.So the only special atk dark type which is viable and you can choose right now until Hydreigon becomes available is Zoroark. well i did say having 2 pokemon with the same type on team is kinda bad but it is a different case for Drapion and Skuntank as their weakness to psychic is gone due to their typing.Anyways the list of dark,bug and ghost types is below.

Physical Atk Ghost type

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Special Attack Ghost Type

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Physical Attack Dark Type

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Special Attack Dark Type

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Physical Atk Bug Type

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Special Atk Bug Type

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Chapter 3.2: Fairy Killers

If you have reached this far and you have read everything wow thx for doing so XD. Ok now your teams core 3 cover each other so you do not need any Psychic killer so what do we need hmm well something to deal with the pesky fairy type. usually i would go for a steel type since they are well the most effective at killing fairies but you have the option to go with a poison type too but poison type are kinda meh and most are paired up with grass so yeah having 2 grass in a team is a big NO NO because well grass has so many weakness. enuf yapping,here are the list of fairy killers.

Physical Atk Poison Type

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Special Atk poison Type

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Physical Atk Steel Type

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Special Atk Steel Type

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3.3 Covering Magnezone's Arse weaknesses

Ok if you choose Magnezone as an electric type woohoo magnezone is an awesome electric and steel type and it can act as gimmick pokemon too with mirror coat and sturdy. also it is gonna be AXED next episode so best grab it and hold on to it tightly. magnezone has a bunch of weakness due to its typing. It is 4X weak to ground and it is weak to fire and fighting too. balziken can deal with the fire types and for the fighting types gourgiest/travenat/roserade can body them unless it is another blaziken. which mean we need to add in a strong water type to counter them ground types and fire types.yes grass types can cover magnezone but they are also weak to fire and the only way to effectively deal with fire types is to put em out with water.Personally i prefer going with a water and ground because they only have one weakness which is grass and you can deal with them grass types with blaziken. but the problem with watre ad ground type is most of them are physical attacker and there is only 1 which is a special attacker. I would go for Gastrodon/Kingdra/Clawitzer for special atk water type and Azurmaril/Sharpedo/Crawdaunt/Barbaracle for physical atk water type.So the options for water types are below in the spoiler tags as usual.

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Chapter 4: Tie up lose ends

Ok by now you already have 4 member in your main team. woohoo you are very close to completing you Team of 6 which can take almost anything. Now all you need is to round up your team. If you choose a psychic killer go back and add in a fairy killer for your 5th member if you added a water type to your team you will have to cover the water type weaknesses and lastly if you picked a fairy killer you will need to cover that fairy killer. all fairy killers are weak to ground so just head over to Chapter 3.3 and choose 1 of them water type to add i as the 5th member.The diagram below should simplify things.

3.1 route--->Add fairy killer as 5th member

3.2 route--->Add water type as 5th member

3.3 route--->Add something to counter water weaknesses(ground types)

I will further expand on Adding something to counter water weaknesses as it is not explained in any of the section yet. So yeah water weakness is electric and grass. Grass is covered by blaziken and well electric can be walled by electric types but i rather use a ground type to do that job so if you when the 3.3 route you will need to add a ground type into the team.If you did not pick a water a ground if you did just ignore this section.so as per usual the ground type suggestion are below in the spoiler tag.

Physical Atk Ground Type

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Special Atk Ground type

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Chapter 5: Rounding things up

Woohoo we are almost done with the team building process now it time to pick the 6th and final member of the team. Now the team just need to cover up its last few weaknesses and it can take on most teams easily. i will put some sample team at the end of this section. you can follow the sample team if you want.So if you picked a water type as your 5th member and it is not a water+ground type you will need to grab a ground type so just head over to the section above for ground type recommendation. If you picked a fairy Killer as your 5th member please head over and grab a water type as your last member. I personally advice you to pick a water+ground type as your water type,so you dont need to worry about electric weakness but it is up to you. And if you pick ground type for the 5th pokemon and you do not have a psychic killer in your team head over to the psychic killer section and choose 1 psychic killer for your last member. if not add in a dragon type/dragon type killer if you do not have 1 in your team yet.The diagram below will help you pick the last member of your team.

3.1 route--->Add fairy killer as 5th member--->Add water Type as the 6th Member

3.2 route--->Add water type as 5th member--->Add ground type as the 6th Member

3.3 route--->Add something to counter water weaknesses(ground types)--->Add Pyschic killer if you do not have 1

3.3 route--->Add something to counter water weaknesses(ground types)--->Add dragon Type/dragon type killer if you have a psychic killer in your team

Ok reason why you would want to put a dragon type or a dragon type killer if you do not have 1 in you team you would have a problem because elemental atks like fire/grass/electric/water are weak against dragons.so it is always good to have a dragon killer/dragon in your team. Now as usual the list of dragons,fairy and ice types are below in the spoiler tag.

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Physical Atk Ice Type

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Sample teams:

Blaziken/Gougiest/Magnezone/Azumarill/Nidoqueen/Noivern

Blaziken/Roserade/Magnezone/Azumarill/Flygon(Physical Atk)/Zoroark(Special Atk)

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Victreebel (Mixed)
Ability: Chlorophyl

Nature: Neutral (safe) / Lonely or Naughty (risky)

EV: ~150 Atk ~102 Sp.Atk 252 Speed

-Leaf Blade / Power Whip (egg move)

-Knock Off (OP) / Venoshock (if you choose sleep powder below. If you want to keep Knock Off though, put all Sp.Atk EVs into Atk and get Adamant nature. and get walled by high def mons)

-Growth (if you set up sunny day with another pokemon holding heat rock) / Sunny Day (if you don't)

-Sleep Powder (safety) / Venoshock (extra coverage, only relevant damage after Growths) / Leaf Storm (Hello physical wall. Byebye physical wall.)

[Running Sunny Day and Growth in the same set will ensure your death before you set up almost always, or you will have only 1 Attacking move which sucks]

Alternatively you can just replace move 1 with giga drain (egg move), knock off with venoshock, and go full special but its boring.

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  On 2/27/2016 at 4:25 PM, Luna said:

well actually you do not need any EV/IV to clear reborn but speed EV on metagross and azumarill is kinda useless. Hp makes them tanky. they are bulky sweepers so they are suppose to be out speed because they can take the hits. well speed nature are more useful for those set up pokemon because you are boosting the atk stat. say for example Tyrantrum with Jolly nature can set up Dragon Dance faster than most 71 or below base speed pokemon. so if you are really worried about getting out-speed i would go for speed boosting natures (Jolly/Timid). Brave and Quiet Natures are for trick room users/slow pokemon. so not all the time modest/Adamant nature are the best but to make things easy yes they are the best nature to just smack on any pokemon.

Now with that aside time for a super long post you have been warned,this post is gonna be long and dont worry there will be a TLDR at the end.

Ok i assume you still have access to the daycare since you say that you heading to samson. if you are reading this DO NOT go to agate yet because once you go to agate city there is no turning back and you can change nature,breed and you have limited pokemon to work with unless you have older episodes to go back to Reborn city. But going back to older episodes is risky cause it might make your save file corrupt or something so i do not recommend doing so. Just dont go to agate yet until you prepared a decent team of 6 plus subs.Did i mention DO NOT enter agate.

well it is usually better to run with a team with 3 Special Attacker and 3 Physical Attackers so that you cant get walled so badly. I would go for duo types since having duo types in a team would be better since you can cover more without swapping around too much. so i would kinda stay away from mono types like Lilligant but Lilligant is actually a decent grass type but there are others which can do a better job and cover more since they are duo type.

Chapter 1: Starting from scratch

Ok now lets remove every single member except your starter. in order to make a team of six we need to start from the basics/fresh start so that it is easy to build your team.Ok Blaziken is weak to water,ground,flying and psychic. so getting a grass type into you team will deal with the water and ground weakness. Step 1 is to add a grass type to you team.should it be physical or special well that is up to you.so here is a list of grass types which are good just pick one a duo type grass type is better.I would go for Roserade if you want a good special atk grass type and Gourgeist/Trevenant if you choose to go for a physical atk grass type because ghost also takes care of the psychic weakness Blaziken has.

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Chapter 2: Covering Each others weakness

Okie back now let continue. Ok now we need something to counter grass which are flying,ice,poison,bug and fire. ice,fire and bug are covered by Blaziken and if you choose Gourgeist/Travenant/Roserade you will not need to worry about poison weakness which leaves us with flying and Blaziken also has a flying weakness too so the third pokemon can cover the 2 of them.I would personally go for an electric type since grass can cover electric type weakness to ground.Step 2: add a electric type into your team.I personally would go for Ampharos/Magnezone for special attack electric type and Eelektross/Raichu if you are going for physical attack electric type,Anyways the other options are below.

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Physical Attack Electric type

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Chapter 3: Crossroads

Now if you did not pick Gourgiest/Travenant as the grass type for you team you would still have psychic weakness for Blaziken and if you picked Roserade you will also have another pyschic weakness so the 4th slot of the team if for a psychic type killer if you picked roserade as a grass type if not this slot is for a fairy killer if you did not pick magnezone and if you did pic magnezone this slot if to cover up magnezone weakness. So Step 3 kinda depends on what are your first 3 pokemon of the team. so this section is gonna be kinda long cause i m gonna try to cover the 3 points i said 1)psychic killers,2)Fairy killers,3) Covering Magnezone's arse.

Chapter 3.1:Psychic type killers

Well at this point of team building you would already have 3 members in the team. If your team is still weak to a certain type you will need to cover them team members. Well if you choose blaziken+ any poison/grass type. your team will still be weak to Psychic types so we will need to add in either a ghost type or a dark type. i personally prefer going with ghost type since most ghost types are weak to dark and blaziken can take care of the dark types. you can go with dark types here but you will need to put in a dark type which can deal with fighting a.k.a Honchkrow. Also there not many special attacking Dark types so you are kinda forced to run with a physical attack dark type. ghost type has more options and who does not like ghost type they are so cool XD. well i would go for Mismagius/Gengar/Cofagrigus/Froslass if you are going for special attack ghost types and Dirftblim/Dusknoir for physical ghost types.

As for dark type Honchcrow/Drapion/Skuntank are must have if you are going for physical attack dark type.The only 3 dark types which are special attack and available in game are Houndoom,Greninja and Zoroark. i would not recomed going Houndoom because you already have a fire type in the team having 2 of the same type in a team is kinda pointless because they will share he same weakness and make your team vulnerable to that weakness. Greninja with protean is any type depending on what move he has but he is a starter and not available in any event yet.So the only special atk dark type which is viable and you can choose right now until Hydreigon becomes available is Zoroark. well i did say having 2 pokemon with the same type on team is kinda bad but it is a different case for Drapion and Skuntank as their weakness to psychic is gone due to their typing.Anyways the list of dark and ghost types is below.

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Physical Attack Dark Type

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Special Attack Dark Type

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OMG. I'm not expecting doing that mountain of work for an Advice for my Team. Thank you very much dude. I will be pretty much do what you said. I learned a lot of things from your Advice and it change my perspective of the word "TEAM".

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Has Everyone forgot the powerful Venomoth? She Can sweep gyma by herself once she sets up!

Venomoth

Ability: Any of them

Nature: Modest(For power) or Calm (for defense)

EV: 252SpAtk/252 Speed/ 4 SpDef

Item: Black Sludge

-Sleep Powder

-Psychic or Sludge Bomb

-Quiver Dance

- Bug Buzz

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I'd suggest running:

Nidoqueen

Sheer Force

Life Orb/Black Sludge

Modest

-Earth Power

-Sludge Wave

-Flamethrower

-Filler (Surf, Swagger, etc.)

Kingdra

Sniper

Scope Lens

Modest/Timid

-Surf

-Dragon Pulse

-Focus Energy

-Agility/Hidden Power

Galvantula

Compoundeyes

Any Item

Modest/Timid

-DIscharge

-Bug Buzz

-Sticky Web

-Sucker Punch

Any of these three would be pretty good with that squad.

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