It's always the Flying Types (Team Help)

[FennekMaster]

So I am here again... I have finished V7 which I got to say was awesome but now I decided to prep my team for the upcoming V8. So when I looked at my team I decided that the 2 pokemon that I should change is Mamoswine and Crobat. I decided to go with Tyrantrum over Mamo which did nothing but good for my team but then replacing Crobat with Vivillon happened. While it on its own is a good pokemon, it really makes my team weak to fire which is annoying. I have went through a lot to try to make this work and going as far as to change other mons but you can guess how that worked out. My original plan was to add Archeops but it turns out to not even exist (Just like Murkrow). So I am in a pickle right now. Should I keep Vivillon and replace something else, replace Vivillon for something else or just go screw it with the whole flying type thing? Here is the default team:

Breloom Lvl. 65 @ Miracle Seed

Technician

Jolly Nature

-Force Palm

-Bullet Seed

-Spore

-Leech Seed

I am so glad that I went trough the trouble to get this guy because he has proven to be a great offensive support mon he is basically like my Sawsbuck but much better in every way.

Crobat Lvl. 60 @ No Item

Infiltrator

Rash Nature

-Acrobatics

-Haze

-Cross Poison

-Bite

Well, there is a reason I want to replace this guy and that is because all he really does is spam Acro and faint and I think I could get another mon who can do that and much more. The key word being "I think" because this thread wouldn't exist if I didn't have trouble trying to find another flying type that has good synergy with my team.

Mamoswine Lvl. 65 @ NeverMeltIce

Thick Fat

Lonely Nature

-Earthquake

-Blizzard

-Mist

-Thrash

While Mamo isn't bad, I think that Tyrantrum is just much better. It has been useful in the past 2 gym battles but I would like to replace it for something else that isn't just spam EQ.

Mawile Lvl. 66 @ Life Orb

Sheer Force

Brave Nature

-Play Rough

-Iron Head

-Baton Pass

-Sucker Punch

To be honest, I like using Mawile and it has been my MVP for a lot of battles and I would like to hang on to it for long enough to get a Mega. I also want to hang on to it cause it is my wai... I mean, one of my favorite pokemon. In all seriousness though, I am just waiting for this thing to get its mega cause its mega is cool.

Delphox Lvl. 66 @ No Item

Magician

Timid Nature

-Psyshock

-Will-O-Wisp

-Magma Drift

-Light Screen

I like to think of Delphox as a supportive tank because that is how I seem to use it and it doesn't disappoint and commonly the reason why I win battles.

Bibarel Lvl. 39 @ No Item

Moody

Brave Nature

-Rock Smash

-Cut

-Rock Climb

-Surf

It's an HM Slave and maybe sometimes a sacrifice.

The Recruits:

Tyrunt Lvl. 20 @ No Item

Sturdy

Relaxed Nature

-Bide

-Stealth Rock

-Bite

-Charm

Still haven't trained him yet but he seems to be really good and does more than just spam EQ.

Vivillon Lvl. 66 @ No Item

Compound Eyes

Serious Nature

-Quiver Dance

-Hurricane

-Sleep Powder

-Bug Buzz

Seem to be good by itself but I really don't think adding him is a good idea cause he makes me venerable to fire types and is why I need help with this team.

TL;DR: Want to replace Crobat with Vivillon but can't cause I don't want 3 weaknesses to Fire and I have no idea what to do about it.

[TimTim]

Zumi will fite you for the statement Vivillon >Crobat lol Anyhow, would you be willing to breed for new mons tho? If it is the case, i would breed a new Swinub if i were in your shoes, Mamoswine is very good only if you breed Icicle Crash into it, Blizzard being special move(only for removing field, given you already defeated Amber rendered Blizzard useless) does not suit him well as its special attack is pitiful compared to its massive physical stats(130 base attack is much impressive) and keep the priority move Ice Shard(priority is important in case of slow mons even if the base power isn't great), also slap an everstone to one of the parents with Jolly nature in daycare, the off spring will inherit the nature, Jolly nature is best nature for Mamoswine in game(Adamant is next best if you don't have jolly). 80 base speed for Mamoswine isn't bad in contrary to Tyrantrum's 70(but then again Tyrantrum has Dragon Dance breedable to it, somehow amending its poor speed). In any case, i would advocate breeding Tyrantrum and Mamoswine for a better nature and movepool, and i don't see any reason why you shouldn't keep both of them in your party, perhaps for reserve team or rotation? After all, we still have a lot of gyms to go, both of them have different counter and checks for those gyms.

Follow up: Yanmega > Vivillon with same typing in my opinion, Speed Boost Yanmega can wreck houses when given chance to set up with Protect/Substitute.

Edited March 26, 2016 by TimTim

[fshenry94]

Slap your crobat some confuse ray or rain dance as support :3
I love crobat enormous speed, use it to your advantage.

Edited March 26, 2016 by fshenry94

[Shad_]

Drop Crobat and get that awesome mon called Noivern, no Fire Type weakness (also, a 1/2x resistance to Fire) and the possibility of using it multiple ways

[laggless01]

Yeah, Noivern helped me out a lot, too. Tailwind and Super Fang are a great support to beat some nasty things (CoughChandelureCough), while Air Slash does quite some damage. Still divided over choosing Boomburst/Dragon Pulse, though.
Crobat really doesn't enjoy its Rash nature, no wonder it dies so fast. Adamant or Jolly would be a lot better (it's 130 base speed, not a lot is faster than that).
Do keep Mist on Mamo, 'cause that can be a lifesaver. But yeah, get a Beartic (learns IciCrash at evolution level, 37) and give them some private time.

[jameslfc]

change your bug buzz to irritation. bugbuzz only 90 BP but irritation 140 BP with sleep status.

[BanananaK]

What everyone else in this thread is very viable, but if you want to keep Crobat and you're willing to do some breeding, it's incredible. Acrobatics and Cross Poison are both good to keep, but it gets multiple other good moves. You can get Confuse Ray as well Hypnosis, though Hypnosis is an egg move. And for better physical moves you can give it X-Scissor (TM in the Sheridan Badlands / Wetlands / Wastelands), Zen Headbutt (Egg move) and Brave bird (egg). Brave Bird is something that is only arguably better than acrobatics though, as while it does let Crobat have an item and has more power, it has recoil, so yeah. But I bred like half a box of Zubats to get one with Adamant (Definitely preferable to Jolly since it already has outstanding speed) and some good IVs and then EV trained it up, and it can absolutely annihilate everything. Tl;dr I have to agree with Zumi about how good Crobat is with some work put in to it.