Masquerain Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Realistically speaking this episode was sorta disappointing, in more than one reason. First lets bring up the fact that a salking was used and for the first time ever they actually used his ability in the anime, which was random because most abilities are never used aside from special episodes and starters. Second: the no switching. I didn't see it in sub (need to wait) so im hoping that they said that their are no switches allowed, if they didn't say that, im just upset at this whole thing. Third: The battle sequence. The main point of this episode started almost halfway through it. I know that it just starts, but past tournaments battles against rivals started almost immediately (like 5 - 10 minutes in) The battle itself made me think I was watching a pokemon battle from a game on my screen. It was just an exchange of attacks until someone fell. Fourth: the "expected" cliff-hanger. Im pretty sure some people expected something like the ending of this episode spoiler alert: Sawyer did an ash move. He did the unexpected by cutting down the trees so that ash couldn't use them to his advantage I already knew something like "do something like ash" after he looked at his notebook, basically copying ash in battle. Hopefully the next episode will better along with the alain battle. If the battle with alain is not 6v6 it proves that they want this anime done to start on sun/moon This my opinion. Im not saying I didn't enjoy it, I was just disappointed. If you enjoyed it that's good too. There was something about there being a recess when one trainer loses 3 of their pokemon and is outnumbered or something, people say like the johto league where the field changes when that happens, and Shouta loses 3, so if this is true for the Kalos league, I expect what Aegislash did was exclusively to stop Pikachu (and as seen by the preview, it doesn't help because you can see on the battle board that Shouta lost his sword while Pikachu got switched out and is still fit for battle) Whether or not Pikachu gets switched out normally or due to the recess is unknown, but either way, I am positive that they are allowed to switch. Believe me, I wanna think otherwise as well, but in previous fights, Tierno switched out Raichu when it got hit by attract and so on, so they're allowed. I don't think there's been a league where they aren't allowed to switch, so you can simply be disappointed that both of them forgot that the concept exists. I did not like the fact that this battle is as rushed as can get. They're going to squeeze in a 3v4 in a 20min episode next time and that will mean that either everything up till Megatile vs Frog will be rushed and boring, or that there will be very little time left for Megatile vs Frog ( or 3rd option: leave it an obvious cliffhanger and finish the fight in the episode after that) As for the abilities, they're actually used a bunch of times, there has been static, flame body, blaze, rock head , snow cloak.... (funny all of that is in Sinnoh, I have no memory of anything about BW except that the league was bad) In Kalos we saw snow warning and ice body during the fight vs Wulfric, Idon't recall other gym leaders but it's apparently a common-ish thing to show them. Aeglislash will also have stance change shown, crab had mega launcher and so on Edited July 22, 2016 by Masquerain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I believe that it will be option 3. Things will be rushed leaving a cliff-hanger between mega-sceptile and ash-greninja after a few minutes a fighting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmoredGuardian Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 I think It will be a tie between Mega Sceptile and Ash-Greninja. Notice how Ash calls Pikachu back and sends Noivern out to battle Salamence? Then Goodra vs Slurpuff? After Salamence and Slurpuff gets defeated, Shota will have 1 pokemon left which is Mega Sceptile and Greninja will battle it. Ash will have 2, which is Pikachu and Greninja. So far this is how the matches went. Slaking vs Hawlucha ---- Slaking vs Talonflame---- Talonflame vs Clawitzer---- Clawitzer vs Pikachu---- Pikachu vs Aegislash---- Pikachu(switched out) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 but ash makes it to the finals to fight alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquerain Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Yeah, it's either gonna be a wintrade between Ash and Shota until they're left with Megatile and Frog or Megatile is gonna solo Ash's remaining pokemon since there's a high chance his Goodra wins against slurpuff and possibly might finish off salamence if bat loses. And then mega sceptile can finish off goodra, shut down pikachu's electricity with lightningrod to show it off again and beat everything down to the frog. Then it will proceed to lose to frog, sending Ash tot he finals. That's just my prediction, or well one of the possible ones. The other is as I said, wintrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 its most likely gonna be where mega-sceptile sweeps the rest of the team, but will take some damage from the others before the greninja comes out. It does need to fight 2-3 before the final fight. But im betting that how ash will win is from the giant water shuriken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquerain Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 its most likely gonna be where mega-sceptile sweeps the rest of the team, but will take some damage from the others before the greninja comes out. It does need to fight 2-3 before the final fight. But im betting that how ash will win is from the giant water shuriken Well at this point, he always wins that way. And what's sad is that mega sceptile resists water 4x <.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 type resistances don't matter to ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquerain Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 And that's one reason I dislike the anime. It only matters if it's his opponent on the receiving end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I guess. But still what would you expect? they need to him against almost impossible odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquerain Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I expect them to retire him after Kalos xD Seriously. Tis the time for change <.< .. probably won't happen but doesn't hurt to hope. I also won't be watching the anime anymore if they don't retire him as a mainchar, cause I'm bored of watching him win via gimmicks and bullsh*t and invented anime stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I don't see them retiring their main character at all. Looks like ash is staying for a little bit longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquerain Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 so the conclusion of Ash vs Shouta is out... I gotta say, it makes me sad. First of all, logs staying suspended in mid-air for centuries, conventiently enough for pikachu to have his mobility back for the entire match..and THEN ...launch a log into aegislash's shield so it cant do stancechange?... Really? .. I mean?... How about no. The field then changed apparently. They rushed the hell out of the noivern salamence fight. It was a double KO . The slurpuff didn't even use fairy attacks vs Goodra, and then a double KO with bide. TLDR, Goodra only knows how to get rekt and bide. Pikachu gets rekt in 5seconds by sceptile. Nobody switched of course because rushed battle. As we all know, Ash wins. The finisher is a giant water shuriken which was somehow faster than Megatile launching its tail into a leaf storm.. I'm trying really hard to ignore the 4x water resistance but.... Oh well. Overall this battle had too much bs in favor of Ash to be considered "good" outside of the animation quality. Next week is apparently a Lysandre and Mairin filler. Mairin will meet Ash's friends while Ash meets Lysandre and apparently thinks he's a good guy.. And it seems around the end of the ep Ash is gonna give his team the usual WE'LL DEFINITELY WIN talk, it's possible the final battle starts at the end, or maybe it will just start the ep after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmoredGuardian Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 Jesus Christ. Okay this battle had a load of BS all over it. Most of the battles was rushed, but DAMN that animation for Greninja and Sceptile was WAY too good. I was literally shouting at my laptop saying "OMG SO GOOD". Ok, back to the main topic. I liked how Ash used the logs to prevent stance change, it was really smart to use what Shota did against him. Noivern vs Salamence. Ooooh boy. It was rushed, but I LOVE Noivern's battle expression. I remember when it was a cute little cry baby. Ok BS alert!!! Goodra vs Slurpuff. All KINDS of BS during this fight, but let me comment on Dazzling Gleam's animation. It was GODLY. Almost like a mini Judgement. Anyways, I really expected Goodra to win this round an dnot end up in ANOTHER TIE. This just adds on to the battle being rush and just pushing BS out. Pikachu vs Sceptile. Can't really say anything about it because it was like 5 seconds. Pikachu got overwhelmed by Sceptile and that's it. Greninja/Ash-Greninja vs Sceptile/Mega Sceptile. Okay, so this battle was amaizng tbh. I'd have to agree with the 4x resistance to water type attacks and I was hoping Ash would learn a move or something, but it was still a pretty good rival battle. Also, the fact that Shota was CRYING during that last scene before Sceptile lost was just too much for me and just left me speechless. He knew he was going to lose and he still gave it his all. Sinnoh's rival battle still wins so far in strategy and pokemon, but in animation, Kalos def. wins. Overall, this episode was amazing and threw a good amoutn of BS at us, but hey, good animation almost makes up the BS for me. ALMOST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquerain Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Jesus Christ. Okay this battle had a load of BS all over it. Most of the battles was rushed, but DAMN that animation for Greninja and Sceptile was WAY too good. I was literally shouting at my laptop saying "OMG SO GOOD". Ok, back to the main topic. I liked how Ash used the logs to prevent stance change, it was really smart to use what Shota did against him. Noivern vs Salamence. Ooooh boy. It was rushed, but I LOVE Noivern's battle expression. I remember when it was a cute little cry baby. Ok BS alert!!! Goodra vs Slurpuff. All KINDS of BS during this fight, but let me comment on Dazzling Gleam's animation. It was GODLY. Almost like a mini Judgement. Anyways, I really expected Goodra to win this round an dnot end up in ANOTHER TIE. This just adds on to the battle being rush and just pushing BS out. Pikachu vs Sceptile. Can't really say anything about it because it was like 5 seconds. Pikachu got overwhelmed by Sceptile and that's it. Greninja/Ash-Greninja vs Sceptile/Mega Sceptile. Okay, so this battle was amaizng tbh. I'd have to agree with the 4x resistance to water type attacks and I was hoping Ash would learn a move or something, but it was still a pretty good rival battle. Also, the fact that Shota was CRYING during that last scene before Sceptile lost was just too much for me and just left me speechless. He knew he was going to lose and he still gave it his all. Sinnoh's rival battle still wins so far in strategy and pokemon, but in animation, Kalos def. wins. Overall, this episode was amazing and threw a good amoutn of BS at us, but hey, good animation almost makes up the BS for me. ALMOST. I would accept that log thing as a good strategy/battle only if it didn't conveniently have logs suspended in mid-air for the entire duration of the battle.. Like, say, if Pikachu used Irontail specifically to launch a pice of a log into the shield.. But like this? F*ck that. It was nothing but plot convenience. Let's not forget the fact that pikachu ate 2 hits from offensive Aegislash which has monstrous attack. It should have been rekt long ago given it was its second battle in a row..and then Aegislash got 1shot by the only attack that managed to hit it.. That's utter bs. TBH, Salamence vs Noivern was bs too, rushed bs. Noivern ate a bunch of dragon attacks, it didn't even land a proper hit on Salamence at all,and then during a final clash of dragon rush vs some flying attack, it's a double KO? ..Ehh... Come on. Complete agreement about Slurpuff vs Goodra. It did little to nothing , slurpuff launched dazzling gleam, fairywinds, flamethrowers (most of those flamethrowers got "countered" by ice beam ..yeah, sure, that's how it works), slurpuff even used cotton guard, but still got 1shot by bide? That's too much. I find it hard to accept the frog vs megatile battle still. As cool as the animation was, it's just sad. Ash mostly spammed water shurikens and the almighty cut. Only once or so did he actually land a SE aerial ace on megatile. There was really 0 reason for megatile to get KO'd by that water shuriken, especially since the launched leafstorm tail collided with the shuriken and then suddenly, the frog was not even dmged, but megatile got KOd. Only when the frog reverted back to normal, it was bruised and tired? Yea, logic... It's really sad, during a small yellow sparkles frame, Shouta is having a monologue with himself how he's been chasing after Ash's back all this time, never surpassing him. He really wanted to win and had the conviction for it, but only lost to plotarmor. I feel really bad for Shouta. The only league Ash deserved to win was Sinnoh, but this one? Hell no. I honestly fear for the battle vs Alain. Now that we know it's just 2 eps, it's going to be plotarmor rushed stuff again, and if the apparently obvious "Kalos victory" title means Ash is going to win that league with that anime-invented giant orange doughnut, wellp. I can only say I understand why the japanese fanbase apparently hates the entire XY&Z season . The superb animation is not enough to make up for all the bs for them, and it's not enough for me either Edited July 28, 2016 by Masquerain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURIE Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Even slow Pokemon (and humans, really) have consistently hypersonic feats so fighting while things are suspended in the air isn't exactly out there. Anyway, good news is that the giant orange shuriken didn't show up, meaning it'll show up during his fight against Alan, meaning his chances of winning against Alan are greatly increased! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquerain Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) How exactly is that good news? Or well, I suppose it's good news to some. Personally, I don't think he deserves to win at this point, with the amount of bs they're pulling out for Ash to win his fights. And it's not even that things were suspended in the air, it's that they were suspended in the air for the entire duration of that fight, as if merely to serve for bs. That frog hardly seemed to have broken a sweat after that fight vs megatile, and yet even though the only hits either of them took were aerial ace and leafstorm respectively, megatile died to a single water hit. I don't like rushed plotarmor battles at all. I wish Ash would have fights that he actually deserves to win, like the Sinnoh league ones. But anyway, the chances of Ash winning the Kalos league have always been over 50% what with the "Kalos victory!" title, the fact Ash has never won vs Alain before, even though he might've if he hadn't collpased, and the fact that he's pulling out giant orange doughnut. Also the fact that Alain has seemingly "lost his way" and become obsessed with proving he's stronger. How plots usually go is that those chars need to lose a fight to "get back to reality". As sad as that is gonna be, chances of Ash winning via plotarmor bs are already around 80%. IF y'all are content with seeing the mc win in these ways, then wellp, enjoy I guess, but I'd rather watch sinnoh-quality battles even if the mc loses Just my 2cents Edited July 28, 2016 by Masquerain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURIE Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 It's good news because most normal people who aren't complete grouches actually DO want Ash to finally win a league, they just never believed it would actually happen. Now it may actually happen. That's why this generation of anime is unequivocally the fan favorite. People (well, other than you) didn't actually hate Ash because of his incompetence as a trainer, but rather they hated that he was written as an incompetent trainer. And that's gone this generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 battle seemed a bit rushed to me. I somewhat enjoyed it, I guess. Really like how sceptile took a few hits than fainted. Well it looks like team flare will try something, because the boss is their. I guessing two scenario's: 1. Team flare will watch the fight then interfere to capture greninja, because it close to the mega evolution energy their looking for 2. They will interfere by attacking revealing their plot and activate the weapon. either way it seems that team flare will try something in next episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masquerain Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) I want Ash to win a league (He won the orange islands anyway), but I want him to win a league without plotarmor and excessive bs. Sinnoh is the one league he was competent enough to, and deserved to win. But then they pulled that random Tobias guy there and blew it. If you think disliking the uber anime-invented-moves frog bs is just me alone being grouchy, wellp, so be it. I sure as hell am not alone in thinking Ash's team is winning 1v1 fights in ways that should have played out differently without the plotarmor+rushing. It was also statistically said that japanese fans overall dislike the XY&Z season, so if unequivocally fan favorite means in the west, sure. Even then, many people prefer Sinnoh to this. The only thing standing out here is the animation, which naturally comes with digital advancement.But anyways, Team Flare is not going to openly attack until their episode, most likely because Lysandre is only getting introduced to Ash in the next ep, then they'll probably plot what to do and when to move. And the ep title of "Kalos Victory" indicates that a verdict will be reached before they attack, so I'm gonna bet on them attacking during the award ceremony or something of the like Edited July 28, 2016 by Masquerain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 your not alone. The sinnoh saga in the league was way better things were planned, battle weren't rushed, there was strategy. I enjoyed every moment in ash v paul. This league feels rushed just to finish it and start the sun/moon saga. Everything seems rushed, dumb. Even one thing points this out. Ash's noivern. All of ashs pokemon that hatched from eggs didn't rush in growing. They took time to mature, learn moves, get experience in battle. Ash's noivern has little experience (reason I haven't said zero is because of a few fights) this is the reason it gets knocked out so quickly. Im just think this anime had so much potential but they rushed it and relied too much on geninja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monochrome_Complex Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) I liked the sawyer fight but pikachu vs aegislash was okay actually. That was pretty cool, the air suspension thing was totally fine for anime physics + the fact pikachu really is quick enough to make it believable. salamence and noivern was just okay, they're both dragons so eh. Goodra vs slurpuff was straight up BS and the worst part of the fight. First of all, I know the show doesn't care about types but I never liked this as I feel it takes away from one of the series' defining mechanics, and this fight had it in spades. Goodra really should've lost and it felt like BS that it actually drew in what was basically a beam/blizzard spamfest. Idk I thought this was the moment in the fight where ash put on the plot armor and didn't look back. Sceptile wrecking pikachu was a highlight, as pika got one of the biggest beatdowns I've seen. The greninja fight was animated wonderfully.It was high kinetic and fun to watch, but yeah it is perhaps the most GLARING example of the anime completely disregarding the type relationship in favor of hero mongering. It's getting a bit annoying how Superninja is becoming an instant win button for ash who has to put in FAR less work than his opponents to win as shown by eating a leaf storm and then winning off water shruikens of all things,the sort of attack that Megatile should be laughing off. I almost want ash to win, but i feel like he needs to earn it and not cheese battles that he didn't earn. Edited July 28, 2016 by Monochrome_Complex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 i didn't see any fairy moves on slurpuff. If it had fairy moves and goodra won by a dragon type move then its bs. but goodra won by bide, which is half acceptable I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monochrome_Complex Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Oh it used bide? Didn't realize. Didn't slurpuff use dazzling gleam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 yeah it looked different from what I expected, but I realized after it was dazzling gleam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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