Pyon Pyon Kyuu!~ Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 I've noticed that because of the play style of these guards some of the turns might be a bit boring. The map is also pretty big which doesn't help. So I hope it isn't too much of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaark Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) Eh, I don't personally mind too much. Also Strat. Looks like your opportunity to put people to sleep has come. Feel like sending a fighter to the dream realm? Edited October 19, 2016 by Zetaark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindrop Valkyrie Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Uh by the way Pyon Spear Wall should activate in both situations against that Pegasus Knight. So I should get +2 DMG and Def. Basically I should've hit for 8 twice and taken 2 less damage. I mean it's probably a moot point since the Troub anyway, but Spear Wall still would've activated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Eh, I don't personally mind too much. Also Strat. Looks like your opportunity to put people to sleep has come. Feel like sending a fighter to the dream realm? Did someone say...sleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaark Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Indeed I did. In both canons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Well hang on, my kid sister's gone and got herself sick or something... I'll see about sending this fighter to hell dream land once I get back from fetching her... hmmm... Dissonance+Sleep=??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anstane Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Erm, I missed it, but just for clarity: Start or end of enemy-phase enemy Reinforcements? Fairness would dictate it be at the end of the enemy phase, but just want confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaark Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I think its at like, the end of everything. I would have to check though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnocentSerenity Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) I think its at like, the end of everything. I would have to check though. I mean, Undead Fury was beginning of Enemy Phase, so maybe reinforcements are the same, but that's just my way of making logic. Edited October 19, 2016 by InnocentBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyon Pyon Kyuu!~ Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 Uh by the way Pyon Spear Wall should activate in both situations against that Pegasus Knight. So I should get +2 DMG and Def. Basically I should've hit for 8 twice and taken 2 less damage. I mean it's probably a moot point since the Troub anyway, but Spear Wall still would've activated. You are correct, it shall be edited. EDIT: As far as reinforcements go: start of enemy phase but they won't move on that turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Alright so... *slaps up his calcs* Fighters have base res of 0... so hypothetically...sleep has base hit of 30... Maya has 7 mag and 4 skill... {30+[(7-0)*5]+4}= base hit rate of 69...before taking into account distance factor ... ... ... ... I'm not mad. I'm just...disappointed in you maya. Very, very disappointed. My MAG stat better start getting some better rolls in the future... got all that fucking luck and res, and speed that I won't ever use, and they only have 10% more growth allocated to em, and speed has literally half the damn chance!... So... question, that axe-wielding oaf can't counter me if I hit from a range of one, right? I mean, technically I'm not actually attacking, so... he shouldn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaark Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I'm...not actually sure. Incidentally, depending on how calcs go, you MAY get +2 hit from our support. Cause that's a thing. Including the distance penalty, your hit percentages (without the potential +2 from support) are 67/65/63. So...yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnocentSerenity Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Fighters have base res of 0... so hypothetically...sleep has base hit of 30... Maya has 7 mag and 4 skill... {30+[(7-0)*5]+4}= base hit rate of 69...before taking into account distance factor ... ... ... ... I'm not mad. I'm just...disappointed in you maya. Very, very disappointed. Did you expect those things to be very accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Oh no, I came into this knowing their base hit is shit... I'm just... a bit regretful now for not pumping as much growth as I could into magic instead of concentrating on 2 stats which I now know from actual experience that I will never need so long as the rest of you play your cards smart. If you bothered quoting the rest of that post, you would've seen that. I was too damn paranoid back then, wanted to be able to survive a hit if a had too... thing is though, when I changed Maya's Character skill from Awareness to Stillness, I failed to fully account the fact that it's honestly you guys job to make sure I don't have take a hit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindrop Valkyrie Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Pretty sure they can counter you at a range of 1. SInce if you enter combat ((which is what that is counted as.)) and they have a weapon with the a range that allows them to hit they get to counter. So... if you miss he'd actually get to attack you pretty sure. I at least an pretty certain that ailment staves count as combat... thing is I'm not sure since normally you cast them from a range where you don't get hit regardless LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyon Pyon Kyuu!~ Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 Alright so... *slaps up his calcs* Fighters have base res of 0... so hypothetically...sleep has base hit of 30... Maya has 7 mag and 4 skill... {30+[(7-0)*5]+4}= base hit rate of 69...before taking into account distance factor ... ... ... ... I'm not mad. I'm just...disappointed in you maya. Very, very disappointed. My MAG stat better start getting some better rolls in the future... got all that fucking luck and res, and speed that I won't ever use, and they only have 10% more growth allocated to em, and speed has literally half the damn chance!... So... question, that axe-wielding oaf can't counter me if I hit from a range of one, right? I mean, technically I'm not actually attacking, so... he shouldn't... Well, Murloc can you do me a favor? Can you ask about this on the Bay12 peeps? I have to go sleep right now but ask what's the interactions between Charisma and Aliment staffs, Support and Aliment staffs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnocentSerenity Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Murdoc, there's no Pegasus Knight you can hit from D11. Though Hoshiko would probably point her bow to the sky in glory, even if there was no target. EDIT: Also, another thing, really, I doubt the enemies counterattack after being targeted by a status staff. Especially since they don't do so in the games, as I've been told. Edited October 20, 2016 by InnocentBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaark Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Oh boy, we got movement conflicts now boys. Hosh and Maya will have to handle that. Or do poses on the same space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnocentSerenity Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 They're adjacent, not sharing the same space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevaleresse Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 <Gaterhyme>: Since it specifies "Staff Hit" in the calculation for ailment staves' hit rate in the handbook, probably not - but as with everything, can be home ruled probably also i edited her move so she can actually shoot the pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaark Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 They're adjacent, not sharing the same space. Well if that's what two people on C11 is now then ok. Though from what it looks like, Maya moving to A11 should make things work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Murdoc, there's no Pegasus Knight you can hit from D11. Though Hoshiko would probably point her bow to the sky in glory, even if there was no target. EDIT: Also, another thing, really, I doubt the enemies counterattack after being targeted by a status staff. Especially since they don't do so in the games, as I've been told. yeah see, that's what I thought too because like you, I've never seen it happen in the games even at point blank range, so... eh, doesn't matter, the moves been made Also GDI murdoc...I'm in C11... *Picks up his shit and reluctantly moves, just like in highschool...* Screw it, I'll just go to A11 and say stuff within earshot of Klaren then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code: PIRULUK Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hm... I'm in range to wail on the Merc in the forest, but that would split me from the main group... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetaark Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I think you mean the soldier, and going there alone would probably end terribly for you. Especially when you have basically no defense. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hm... I'm in range to wail on the Merc in the forest, but that would split me from the main group... We've already been split to hell and back honey. Trust me, compared to those reinforcements coming soon, wandering a bit further is the least of our worries. But no, don't do it, like Zet said it will only end in tears unless you miraculously crit that man in the face... and Maya will have to scold you for being reckless and stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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