nepeta100 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) random theory dont take this that seriously we saw the ultimate homeroom in the first despair side episode say :"aw I died" what if everyone is without even knowing it is using a machine that lets them control a really humanoid looking robot version of themselves and that Is why they didn't have a heartbeat on the people when they checked the people that died in the game and why when Seiko tried to give the medicine it seemed to have no effect I'm a genius tbh I agree that youre theory is definitely possible authorreborn also heres a more explained version of the dead people can still come back theory Edited September 7, 2016 by nepeta100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 ok but why is this me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tacos Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Ok so for a while, everyone's thought that Munakata's NG code is opening doors. But I'm starting to think that after he killed Juzo, his NG code is that he must witness a death between every sleeping period, and that's why he seemed to be refgretful when killing Juzo. To keep this NG code hidden, he could be tossing a lot of hints that he can't open doors. Between 1 and 2 - Bandai Between 2 and 3 - Tengan Between 3 and 4 - Juzo Or you know his NG code could be hearing "sore wa chigau yo" but that would just be for the memes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted September 8, 2016 Author Support Squad Share Posted September 8, 2016 Ok so for a while, everyone's thought that Munakata's NG code is opening doors. But I'm starting to think that after he killed Juzo, his NG code is that he must witness a death between every sleeping period, and that's why he seemed to be refgretful when killing Juzo. To keep this NG code hidden, he could be tossing a lot of hints that he can't open doors. Between 1 and 2 - Bandai Between 2 and 3 - Tengan Between 3 and 4 - Juzo Or you know his NG code could be hearing "sore wa chigau yo" but that would just be for the memes but like he's on the war path anyway, why do that when he's gunning, or swording I suppose, for someone else already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Because if Makoto was locked in the room and the time period was approaching, Munakata had to kill the closest person so he wouldn't die. He obviously believes his hope is capable of overcoming despair so he feels it's justified. He obviously showed at least small signs of regret. Also this theory is pretty neat if you ask me and I don't find it to be too unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted September 8, 2016 Author Support Squad Share Posted September 8, 2016 By all fuckin' rights sakakura should utterly curbstomp junko and to be frank it's utter bollocks that he won't. We rarely see people who are specialised in fights during action scenes. The characters are always stronk as fuck because they leverage their talents or are just inexplicably strong, see munakata. Sakakura was held back in side future but now he can use his fists AND he is older and more experienced than anyone else. He is veritably an order of magnitude stronger than any character in the series bar fuckin' Tengan. We saw a snapshot of Sakakura laid flat on his back in a crater in side future though, so they're about to pull some shit out of their ass and I know i'm not gonna be happy. My biggest issue with this series is how oxymoronic it is. The mysteries are nice and well thought out, details are paid attention to... but those details are fuckin' stupid and insane and there's many moments of Deus ex machina even without the luck talents. Like the main course students deciding "yo let's kill these guys so we take their places." That is the stupidest fuckin' reason for them to attack, especially when at first it seemed like a regular protest with signs 'n all. There wasn't even an inciting incident to set them off, the students just appeared and some insane fucker suggested to kill them, as though there were no legal issues with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I'm just saying now that Chisa's despair, I still think it's quite likely she's the mastermind. Also someone save my baby Ryota he's gone through too much. Also how the hell can Mukuro just casually give a lobotomy to her that actually works????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted September 8, 2016 Author Support Squad Share Posted September 8, 2016 I'm just saying now that Chisa's despair, I still think it's quite likely she's the mastermind. Also someone save my baby Ryota he's gone through too much. Also how the hell can Mukuro just casually give a lobotomy to her that actually works????? EXACTLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I don't think that chisa is the mastermind in the future arc. although danganronpa does indeed twist things up more than a lot so it is possible. But that still leaves an open option on the traitor. unless you think shes the traitor too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I've begun to agree with the theory that there is no killer, and that the monitors in the rooms where each character dies is able to brainwash them to despair, in which they then kill themselves, just as our reserve course pal did in this episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted September 8, 2016 Author Support Squad Share Posted September 8, 2016 I've begun to agree with the theory that there is no killer, and that the monitors in the rooms where each character dies is able to brainwash them to despair, in which they then kill themselves, just as our reserve course pal did in this episode. THE DUDE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANT TO THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD MAKE A CONSCIOUS PERSON DO THAT WITHOUT THEM WANTING TO DO IT FUCK ME THIS EPISODE IRKS ME SO MUCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FraRPetO Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 After watching episode 9 of despair arc: chisa is most likely the mastermind, yes. I don't think the dead body of chisa from the future arc is the actual body of hers. Especially since we saw in the first episode she saw herself dead while eating popcorn. And it seems like she got influenced by despair in this episode. Also how did I miss this whole thread? I feel left out ;( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepeta100 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 poor royta i feel so sorry for him this episode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuthorReborn Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 And you guys were insisting that poor Ryota was the attacker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 the only time I ever considered him as suspicious was the very first episode but that was with zero evidence and no knowledge of his character. But it feels good to know that my thoughts about Chisa as the mastermind are quite possibly correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Chisa's smile at the end though, damn. I was hoping not but if it ain't Ryota, then it's gotta be Chisa. Speaking of Ryota THAT POOR BABY! Someone help him and get him some hot chocolate good lord he needs a hug. I have a whole new respect for Ryota now. To know that you're specific talent caused, well, the end of the civilized world, and have the strength to try and fix takes balls. However something occured to me that really should've occurred to me early on. Yes, Junko manages to brainwash most (if not all) the reserve course students and yes she'll successfully brainwash Chiaki's class. But it's hard to picture the combined forces of a gymnast, a team coach, an animal breeder and a mechanic take over the world with the help of a few disgruntled high school students. I say those few because a paper fan dance, a few sad pictures and a guitar solo ain't doin nothin. It honestly sounds like the beginning to a bad joke (a priest, a rabbi, and a horse walk into bar etc). I'm looking forward to seeing just how they do it. Up till now, the "Most despair inducing event in human history" has felt a mystery to me. PSA: Remember kids, anime destroys lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbood2 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I have to give props to DR3 creators for making a scary looking girl/woman into such a likable character because as far as I know, a lot of people like Seiko and feel bad for her whole life events including me. I would hate to just be used by someone and think we were truly friends like it is with Ruruka and Seiko. That's the worst ugh. According to what we see in episode 9 of despair, Chisa watches the despair video but we don't know that she is now brainwashed by it because other than smiling at chiaki when they meet in the secret hallway, Chisa doesn't look evil. Also Mikan can go die somewhere in a ditch for being mean to Chiaki at the end there ugh. If Chisa like some have hypothesized, is the mastermind, traitor etc for the future arc, I'm going to be very interested and curious about the circumstances surrounding her plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Chisa didn't turn to despair solely by the video, it also was due to Mukuro's lobotomy. Also the episode ends with Chisa smiling identically to Junko. The title of the episode is also something along the lines of "Chisa Yukizome doesn't smile," indicating that it's no longer the Chisa we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuthorReborn Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Chisa's smile at the end though, damn. I was hoping not but if it ain't Ryota, then it's gotta be Chisa. Speaking of Ryota THAT POOR BABY! Someone help him and get him some hot chocolate good lord he needs a hug. I have a whole new respect for Ryota now. To know that you're specific talent caused, well, the end of the civilized world, and have the strength to try and fix takes balls. However something occured to me that really should've occurred to me early on. Yes, Junko manages to brainwash most (if not all) the reserve course students and yes she'll successfully brainwash Chiaki's class. But it's hard to picture the combined forces of a gymnast, a team coach, an animal breeder and a mechanic take over the world with the help of a few disgruntled high school students. I say those few because a paper fan dance, a few sad pictures and a guitar solo ain't doin nothin. It honestly sounds like the beginning to a bad joke (a priest, a rabbi, and a horse walk into bar etc). I'm looking forward to seeing just how they do it. Up till now, the "Most despair inducing event in human history" has felt a mystery to me. PSA: Remember kids, anime destroys lives. I mean, Nekomaru's power is no joke. He can fully revitalize those who were otherwise not able to continue, making him effectively the best buff-bot in history. Not the mention the combined forces of Fuyuhiko and Sonia, a crime lord and the Princess and heir to a nation, nor Nagito's absolutely bonkers luck, nor Peko's skill with a blade or the Imposter's ability to dismantle organizations from the inside through infiltration. And that's not even taking into account Junko's analytical skills, Mukuro's combat skills, as well as Fenrir connections, or Izuru's possession of every talent known to Hope's Peak. Gunham is able to completely tame otherwise rowdy animals and use them for his own purposes, which sounds simple and innocent when you look at it as they are often portrayed (hamsters), but he also low-key brought in a bear that was fully under his control. At first glance, their powers seem fairly useless, but the combined power of the majority of them lends them the power to dismantle civilizations. And on the subject of Chisa, I don't believe there can be any true doubt that she was not herself at the end of the episode. The name of the episode and her smile at the end, as Tacos already mentioned, basically confirms it, but also the last image she sees as Mukuro lobotomizes her is Munakata's image burning up. And since we know she is entirely dedicated to Munakata, the burning of his image in her mind would likely be symbolic of the dissolution of her own being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 There's a theory I saw that suggested that Tengen, Chisa, and Ryota formed the killing game plan together to not bring despair, but strengthen hope. I forgot most of the details because it was a while back when I read it. It would explain how Tengen knew who the attacker was. He was in on it. It also explains how everyone ended up in an exact replica of the FF HQ underground. A Tengen/Chisa/Ryota alliance sounds pretty cool and makes things add up. I'd much prefer that to Chisa being some despair junkie who faked her death by using a body double exactly like Junko did. However, there's still the question of who that extra participant is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I still refuse to believe Ryota truly turns to despair. Yes he hasn't revealed too much about himself in mirai hen, and we don't know his NG code, and he happened to show up just before things went to shit, but he hasn't shown any signs to really indicate that he's been truly turned to despair. The only involvement I can see him having is manipulating the victims into dying through the video he didn't voluntarily work on. Especially after the most recent despair episode, for him to be evil seems way too farfetched at this point. He was just a big red herring for a while, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmanultrax1 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Munakata was the only one aware of the fake HQ as he was in charge of building it in the first place. Although my suspicions on ryota have decreased a little there is still some as some previous actions. But the evidence for chica is now starting to increase. So it starting to look like that chisa is the mastermind behind the event. Although we wont know until its conformed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanojaku Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I was right, after all. The reason why Chisa set up so many death flags in EP8 is because she would get brainwashed by Junko. I, for one, welcome our new Chisa overlord. That episode was horrifying, but it's good to know that Zetsubou-hen is keeping up the pace, unlike Mirai-hen. We only have, like, 2 episodes left, right? I think that's enough to show the class 77 kids getting brainwashed. The revelation that the brainwashed people are very much conscious and aware of what they're doing, but unable to control themselves, is by far the creepiest part to me. Just imagine the possibilities: Teruteru loves his mother, right? Boom, Junko orders him to kill her. He can't stop himself, but he's aware of what he's doing. He would be effectively trapped in his own body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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