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Is it late for sugestion? If no then!

Noibat

HP: 40-->50

Atk: 30-->40

Def: 35-->45

Sp. Atk: 45-->55

Sp. Def: 40-->50

Speed: 55-->65

BST: 245-->305

Noibat need +10 to all of his stats... for easier training

Noivern

HP: 85

Atk: 70

Def: 80-->90

Sp. Atk: 97-->107

Sp. Def: 80-->90

Speed: 123

BST: 535-->565

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  On 9/8/2016 at 3:47 PM, LeonVermillion said:

Is it late for sugestion? If no then!

Noibat

HP: 40-->50

Atk: 30-->40

Def: 35-->45

Sp. Atk: 45-->55

Sp. Def: 40-->50

Speed: 55-->65

BST: 245-->305

Noibat need +10 to all of his stats... for easier training

Noivern

HP: 85

Atk: 70

Def: 80-->90

Sp. Atk: 97-->107

Sp. Def: 80-->90

Speed: 123

BST: 535-->565

It's not too late, you can send suggestions anytime! I'll only add suggestions sent after the beta release in the V2 release, though, since otherwise they wouldn't get tested. And I definitely agree with the Noibat buff, it's weak even by first stage Pokémon standards.

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  On 9/9/2016 at 8:01 AM, LeonVermillion said:

Thank!

XD is it okay if I remade the sugestion by making Noivern a pseudo legendary? (600 BST)

It's fine if you want to remake your suggestions, but making Noivern a pseudo-legendary would just mean it'd be available really late, so I wouldn't recommend it.

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I got a few more sudgestions

Paras line
(Paras)
+25 to sp attack
+20 to speed
gets Infestation via lvl 11
(Parasect)
+ 35 to sp attack
+ 40 to speed
gets Struggle bug via lvl 24
gets Weather ball via lvl 40
gets drizzle as its hidden ability
Dunsparce
Becomes part dragon
+ 30 to attack
+ 25 to speed
gets Dragon tail via lvl 1
gets Dragon dance via lvl 40 (replaces endure)
gets Dragon rush via lvl 52
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Im making a list for this, currently i just finished Gen 2, tell me if you like these kind of changes, if you do i'll suggest more for the other gens.

- Maybe its just me, but anyone else finds Leaf Storm Serperior (contrary) kinda OP ?

- Magcargo line seems pretty weak, all it's stats getting increased by +15 wouldn't break it, or maybe adding Sturdy to compensate his x4 weaknesses?

- Why was Koffing made poison/fire ?

- Luvdisk Cute Charm ability, learn Lunar Dance/Heal Bell/Aromatherapy/Wish by leveling, maybe have a tad more Sp.Def and higher Spd. To compensate for other stats.

- Primeape: elemental punches while leveling. +15 Sp.Def. +10Hp.

Victreebel: Giga Drain, Worry Seed, Synthesis, Ingrain by lvl up. +15 Hp.

  • Golem: Gyro Ball by leveling, Sp.Atk -20, Sp.Def +20.

  • Hypno: increased Spd.
  • Venomoth: Change to Psychic/Bug (always felt like that) +10 HP, +10 Sp.Atk.
  • ButterFree: Air Cutter, Energy Ball and Shadow Ball by lvl up. +15HP, +5 Sp.Def +5 Spd.
  • Fearow: +10 HP. +5 Def. +4 Sp.Def. Slash by lvl up.
  • Raticate: Swift by lvl up. +15hp. +3 Spd.
  • Farfetched: +23HP. +20 Atk. +15Def. +13 Sp.Def. +17 SP.Atk. +20Spd. Close Combat, Feather Dance, Tailwind, Trump Card and Steel Wing by lvl up.
  • Muk: Posion/Ground. 3rd ability Regenerator. Sand Tomb While lvl up.
  • Dodrio: Outrage by lvl Up. +10 HP +5 Atk, +5 Def.
  • Weezing: Hidden ability Aftermath. +5 HP. Pain Split, Will o Wisp and Curse by lvl up..
  • Vileplume: +10HP. Can be taught Surf.
  • Bellossom: -10 Atk. +10 Sp.Def. +5 Def. +5Hp. Leech Seed by lvl up.
  • Arbok: +25 Spd. +25inHP.
  • Wigglytuff: Hidden ability: Fairy Aura (friend guard could work as secondary ability, but fur coat just seems too out of theme). Perish Song, Wish and Spikes by lvl up. +10Def. +10 Sp.Def
  • Nidoqueen: -27 Atk. +17 Sp. Atk. +10 HP
  • Parasect: Change Damp for Effect Spore. +40HP. +10Spd.
  • Dewgong: +20Hp, Horn Attack and Megahorn by lvl up.
  • Poliwrath: Sp.Atk -5, Atk +5. Superpower and Drain Punch by lvl up.
  • Golduck: -7 Atk. +5 Sp.Atk. +5 Sp.Def.
  • Electrode: Volt Absorb ability instead of Soundproof, +10 Hp. +10 Sp.Atk, Iron Head while leveling.
  • Marowak;: Sand Force ability, Spd. + 15.
  • Seaking: Sp. Atk -15, Atk +10, Def +5
  • Tauros: Megahorn by lvl up.
  • Ditto: +17 to all stats.
  • Omastar: Change Shell Armor for Sturdy.
  • Kabutops: Change Swift Swim for Hyper Cutter, Sp.Atk. -5, Spd +5. Fury Cutter, False Swipe, Clamp, Razor Shell, Rock Blast, Stealth Rock by lvl up.
  • Snorlax: Hp -10.
  • Dragonite: -30 Atk, -20sp.Atl.
  • Himonlee: +12 HP, +13Spd.
  • Hitmonchan: 20HP, +5 Atk.
  • Hitmontop: +20Def. +5 Sp.Def.
  • Ninetales: besides your changes, could learn Morning Sun/Moonlight/Wish, Destiny Bond and Hex by lvl up. Atk -3, HP +3.
  • Exeggutor: -20 Atk. +15 Spd, +5 HP.
  • Kingler: +15 HP
  • Jynx: +20Hp. Psychic, Lightscreen, Taunt, Frost Breath, Ice Beam, Energy Ball, ThunderBolt and Shadow Ball when lvl up
  • Mr. Mime: +25 HP
  • - Furret: Prankster ability.
  • Noctowl : Prothean ability instead of Keen Eye. Air Cutter, Foul Play, Thief, Pluck, Nasty Plot, when lvl up.
  • Lanturn: +4 Sp.Atk + 4Sp.Def, Swift Swim as 3rd ability
  • Xatu: +5 HP, Sp.Def, Def. , Silver Wind and Drill Peck, Topsy-Turvy, Reflect up.
  • Sudowoodo: +20/25 Sp. Def. Ingrain Seed Bomb, Horn Leech, Leech Seed when lvl up.
  • Jumpluff: Current abilities replaced by: Chlorophyll as hidden ability, Drought and Drizzle as abilities. HP +5. Cotton Guard, Wish, Aromatherapy and Baton Pass. by lvl up.
  • Rapidash: -25 Sp.Atk. +10Spd. +10Hp +5Atk.
  • Quagsire: Change Damp for Contrary and Water Absorb for Dry Skin. Spd +10, HP +15. Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Aqua Ring, Curse, Seismic Toss by lvl up.
  • Unown: All stats changed to 90.
  • Wobbufet: -20 HP
  • Girafarig: Head Charge, Flame Charge, Wild Charge, Confuse Ray, Hypnosis, Wish while lvl up. HP +10. Def +3, Sp. Def. +3
  • Forretress: U-Turn while leveling up.
  • Qwilfish: +5 Sp.Def +5 HP, + Aftermath ability,
  • Corsola: Spikes, Amnesia, Wish, Trump Card, Magical Leaf, Disarming Voice while leveling up. +15 Def. +15 Sp. Def +15 Spd.
  • Octillery: +5 HP, +5 Def, Headbutt, SmokeScreen, White Smore, Gyro Ball when lvl up.
  • Donphan: Spd +5.
  • Dunsparce: +15 to all stats. Sand Stream as hidden ability, Sand Veil, Headbutt, Protect, ThunderWave, Charge Beam, Amnesia, Secret Power, Fire Blast, Aerial Ace while lvl up.
  • Tyranitar: -20 HP, -20 Sp. Atk. -5 Spd
  • Stantler: Change Frisk for Quick Feet, Hp +7, Defense +8, Sp.Def +5. Headbutt, Wild Charge, Feint Attack, Megahorn when leveling up.
  • Miltank: +10 HP +5 Def, +5 Sp.Def Curse, Iron Tail, Dizzy Punch, Gyro Ball when level up.
  • Smeargle: +25 to all stats.
  • Delibird: +205 Hp, +55 Atk, -55 SpAtk.
  • Mantine: Make Water Absorb hidden (so stacks with Swift Swim )+15 HP, +5 Sp Atk, Rain Dance, Muddy Water, Tailwing, Gust, Ice Beam, Iron Head, Take Down, Amnesia while leveling.
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I have no idea if this would be good or not but the idea of mischievous fairies/pixies was something I always found cool, as such I was wondering what would happen if Zoroark became Fairy Dark considering fairies weren't all sweet and playful. It can't learn any fairy moves though but I always thought that would make Zoroark more "lore friendly". :P

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  On 8/27/2016 at 3:14 PM, Lagspike said:

So, I have never seen anybody giving Druddigon some love. Probably because it's speed is abysmal. It has some neat abilities with Rough Skin and Sheer Force, though. The secret ability is Mold Breaker, which is arguably useful.

Anyway, with a few tweaks, one might be able to make the thing viable. I've always been interested in using it, but since the Bulbapedia stat-chart makes me cringe everytime I look at it, I haven't done so already. Keep in mind that I'm not really an expert when it comes to competitive movesets and stuff like that. It's merely an opinion, after all.

1.) HP: 77 》80

ATK: 120, good enough.. really. It just can't use it.

DEF: 90 》100

Sp. ATK: 60 》40

Sp. DEF: 90

SpD: That's it's biggest problem. 48 》70.

BST: 485 》500

2.) - Dragon Dance is available as an Egg Move.. or through a level up. I think the latter one would make Druddigon a little too powerful if you can set it up. Though, it should be a good Pokèmon in the late-game when you have decent breeding assets available. Sure, stuff like Dragonite and RAWRchomp still are better.. but at least the thing is somewhat viable with those changes. The speed-stat actually allows it to outspeed quite a few Pokèmon.. it shares it's speed-stat with Magneton, btw. I deem that good enough. (If you want to make DD available through a level-up, I'd suggest you put it near the mid 50's or the early 60's. Perhaps inbetween Superpower and Outrage at Lv. 58.. maybe even after Outrage at Lv. 70, even if that's a little ridiculous.)

3.) Make the elemental bites available from the start so you can get neat coverage when you visit the move relearner.. namely Poison Fang, Fire Fang, Thunder Fang and Ice Fang. Or scratch Poison Fang, just a suggestion.

4.) Make the typing a little more useful; Maybe Dragon-Dark, Dragon-Rock (Wouldn't recommend. Makes this thing weaker as it is. Or Dragon-Fighting.) My personal favorites are Dragon-Dark and Dragon-Fighting. Solely because a Pokémon with this fighting doesn't exist yet and would make Druddigon a little more unique between all those other powerful Dragon types.

Anyway, before I start making this thing overpowered, I better quit. Hope you like it.

These buffs look pretty interesting! I'm still having some doubts about its type, since its moveset is so weird and a Dragon/Fighting type Pokémon actually exists now. I'm probably not going to buff it too much, since it's going to be even more outclassed if it's only available at the late-game, but I'll see what I can do about it!

  On 9/13/2016 at 5:15 AM, WSGreen said:

I got a few more sudgestions

Paras line
(Paras)
+25 to sp attack
+20 to speed
gets Infestation via lvl 11
(Parasect)
+ 35 to sp attack
+ 40 to speed
gets Struggle bug via lvl 24
gets Weather ball via lvl 40
gets drizzle as its hidden ability
Dunsparce
Becomes part dragon
+ 30 to attack
+ 25 to speed
gets Dragon tail via lvl 1
gets Dragon dance via lvl 40 (replaces endure)
gets Dragon rush via lvl 52

Some of your suggestions from the first post already got added, like the Onix one! I don't get the Parasect buff, though. I get that its 4x Fire weakness makes it pretty unviable and that, as a fungus, it likes humid places, but summoning rain is a bit weird.

  On 10/24/2016 at 6:11 AM, iskelion said:
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I like these buffs! Pokémon like Luvdisc and Magcargo need all the help they can get and I totally missed things that make perfect sense, like giving Ninetales Morning Sun. I gave the Koffing line the Fire type because their gases are very flammable, which is why they have the whole explosion theme. Wigglytuff got Fur Coat since most of its Pokédex entries mention its fur, and I'm contemplating replacing it with Fluffy once Gen 7 gets released. Also, while it's nice that most of your buffs are small and sensible, some of them are too small, like the +5 Speed boost on Donphan.

I don't think Venomoth works as a Bug/Psychic type, since learning Psychic moves is kind of a butterfly thing in Pokémon and it's all about venomous scales, and, while Serperior can be quite game-breaking with Contrary Leaf Storm, without it it's probably one of the worst starters, so I don't know what to do about it.

By the way, was the Delibird buff supposed to be +25 HP or is it actually +205 HP? It's a junk rare Pokémon, so it does need very large buffs. Giving it Chansey's HP stat seems a bit... radical, though.

  On 10/24/2016 at 10:38 PM, Okami said:

I have no idea if this would be good or not but the idea of mischievous fairies/pixies was something I always found cool, as such I was wondering what would happen if Zoroark became Fairy Dark considering fairies weren't all sweet and playful. It can't learn any fairy moves though but I always thought that would make Zoroark more "lore friendly". :P

I considered Dark/Fairy Zoroark too, actually! But, since I gave the same type to Absol (and by extension Mega Absol), I thought that Zoroark would get outclassed pretty badly. So, I gave it the Fighting-type, since it has ninja elements and is meant to be a Lucario counterpart. The other Dark/Fighting types are all slow, bulky physical attackers, so it's pretty unique when compared to them!

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  On 11/1/2016 at 2:42 AM, Amanojaku said:

I like these buffs! Pokémon like Luvdisc and Magcargo need all the help they can get and I totally missed things that make perfect sense, like giving Ninetales Morning Sun. I gave the Koffing line the Fire type because their gases are very flammable, which is why they have the whole explosion theme. Wigglytuff got Fur Coat since most of its Pokédex entries mention its fur, and I'm contemplating replacing it with Fluffy once Gen 7 gets released. Also, while it's nice that most of your buffs are small and sensible, some of them are too small, like the +5 Speed boost on Donphan.

I don't think Venomoth works as a Bug/Psychic type, since learning Psychic moves is kind of a butterfly thing in Pokémon and it's all about venomous scales, and, while Serperior can be quite game-breaking with Contrary Leaf Storm, without it it's probably one of the worst starters, so I don't know what to do about it.

By the way, was the Delibird buff supposed to be +25 HP or is it actually +205 HP? It's a junk rare Pokémon, so it does need very large buffs. Giving it Chansey's HP stat seems a bit... radical, though.

Thanks!, i'll write suggestions for other gens then.

About Delibird, it was the way of making it less bad without breaking it's identity, i thought of 2 changed for it:

The said buffs and making it unable to learn any other move but "Present", so it would be kinda usable but still a sort of "joke" pokemon.

Or just adjusting it's HP, and making it a Rain Dance/Hail /Substitute /Spikes / (Etc) setter, with swift swim, snow cloak or healer.

So support or normal combat pokemon is what i thought.

I see the point about Blissey HP, but she also has a extremely good movepool and is more focused into Sp.Def.

I agree that some buffs might be too subtle, i focused bigger buffs in the least used (weaker) pokemon.

Were you thinking about changing the level in which pokemon evolve?, i think buffs to pokemon like Butterfree could be bigger if the evolved latter, unless you want to keep them slightly weaker to give a reason to change pokemon later on (besides personal prefference)

Venomoth already does learn psychic moves though, it could be made into Poison/Psychic, and Butterfree could additionally learn Draining Kiss and/or Moonblast, maybe with Cute Charm as an ability.

About Serperior, some options could be:

Leaf Storm only changing 1 stage (instead of 2)

Give Serperior "Defeatist" but buff it's hp.

Change Contrary with Regenerator (which is also a neat ability)

Remove Leaf Storm from its set and boost its speed (so it need less speed EVs)

EDIT: while doing Gen3 i was looking at some stats and changed Dragonite to -30 Atk, -20 Sp.Atk.

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Oooh, I never thought of a fighting dark Zoroark. That's really cool. I'm happy Absol's getting fairy though, when I first learned about new typings for Pokemon I was really hoping Absol would get it along with Zoroark alas, Nintendo didn't.

I am getting super excited for this game.

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  On 11/2/2016 at 7:21 AM, iskelion said:

Thanks!, i'll write suggestions for other gens then.

About Delibird, it was the way of making it less bad without breaking it's identity, i thought of 2 changed for it:

The said buffs and making it unable to learn any other move but "Present", so it would be kinda usable but still a sort of "joke" pokemon.

Or just adjusting it's HP, and making it a Rain Dance/Hail /Substitute /Spikes / (Etc) setter, with swift swim, snow cloak or healer.

So support or normal combat pokemon is what i thought.

I see the point about Blissey HP, but she also has a extremely good movepool and is more focused into Sp.Def.

I agree that some buffs might be too subtle, i focused bigger buffs in the least used (weaker) pokemon.

Were you thinking about changing the level in which pokemon evolve?, i think buffs to pokemon like Butterfree could be bigger if the evolved latter, unless you want to keep them slightly weaker to give a reason to change pokemon later on (besides personal prefference)

Venomoth already does learn psychic moves though, it could be made into Poison/Psychic, and Butterfree could additionally learn Draining Kiss and/or Moonblast, maybe with Cute Charm as an ability.

About Serperior, some options could be:

Leaf Storm only changing 1 stage (instead of 2)

Give Serperior "Defeatist" but buff it's hp.

Change Contrary with Regenerator (which is also a neat ability)

Remove Leaf Storm from its set and boost its speed (so it need less speed EVs)

EDIT: while doing Gen3 i was looking at some stats and changed Dragonite to -30 Atk, -20 Sp.Atk.

Yes, I was considering changing some Pokémon's evolution methods! I kinda did that with Shuppet, but it was just to make the Normal type more flavorful. I had something in mind for Butterfree and Beedrill, but since I didn't plan anything specific I didn't talk about it. I've added my ideas for them to the list, if you're interested! (Delibird's also there, I thought that it'd be quite interesting as a support Pokémon and Fighting-type check for Monoice teams.)

Swapping Venomoth's Bug type makes even less sense, in my opinion. I think that it's more flavorful as it currently is, since both of its types fit perfectly. Besides, Bug/Psychic is a downgrade defensively. I really hope that we get a Poison/Psychic type some day, though, it just sounds cool.

Also, about Serperior, I don't really know what to do with it. With Contrary, it's one of the strongest starters (after it gets Leaf Storm, that is). Without it, though, it's at the bottom of the barrel since even Meganium has better offenses. Abilities can't stack and changing Leaf Storm's effect would have a far bigger effect than just nerfing Serperior, so these are not viable choices. Removing Leaf Storm from its moveset would render Contrary completely useless, especially since its semi-signature move, Coil, just doesn't work with it, and changing its ability to Regenerator would make it a bad Tangrowth. I considered making it learn Leaf Storm later and making it more of a physical attacker until it can start abusing Contrary, since its physical moveset is awesome, but I can't play around too much with its stats since it's a starter, so it'd be stuck with base 75 Attack. I think that it might be better to watch how it adapts to the game, since its niche is incredibly unique.

Also, I'm looking forward to seeing your complete list!

  On 11/6/2016 at 12:27 AM, Okami said:

Oooh, I never thought of a fighting dark Zoroark. That's really cool. I'm happy Absol's getting fairy though, when I first learned about new typings for Pokemon I was really hoping Absol would get it along with Zoroark alas, Nintendo didn't.

I am getting super excited for this game.

Thanks! If you have any other ideas for Pokémon changes, feel free to tell me!

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Yes, I was considering changing some Pokémon's evolution methods! I kinda did that with Shuppet, but it was just to make the Normal type more flavorful. I had something in mind for Butterfree and Beedrill, but since I didn't plan anything specific I didn't talk about it. I've added my ideas for them to the list, if you're interested! (Delibird's also there, I thought that it'd be quite interesting as a support Pokémon and Fighting-type check for Monoice teams.)

Swapping Venomoth's Bug type makes even less sense, in my opinion. I think that it's more flavorful as it currently is, since both of its types fit perfectly. Besides, Bug/Psychic is a downgrade defensively. I really hope that we get a Poison/Psychic type some day, though, it just sounds cool.

Also, about Serperior, I don't really know what to do with it. With Contrary, it's one of the strongest starters (after it gets Leaf Storm, that is). Without it, though, it's at the bottom of the barrel since even Meganium has better offenses. Abilities can't stack and changing Leaf Storm's effect would have a far bigger effect than just nerfing Serperior, so these are not viable choices. Removing Leaf Storm from its moveset would render Contrary completely useless, especially since its semi-signature move, Coil, just doesn't work with it, and changing its ability to Regenerator would make it a bad Tangrowth. I considered making it learn Leaf Storm later and making it more of a physical attacker until it can start abusing Contrary, since its physical moveset is awesome, but I can't play around too much with its stats since it's a starter, so it'd be stuck with base 75 Attack. I think that it might be better to watch how it adapts to the game, since its niche is incredibly unique.

Also, I'm looking forward to seeing your complete list!

Thanks! If you have any other ideas for Pokémon changes, feel free to tell me!

Im making a test file for the suggested changes (since i just finished Gen 6)

Im looking at some pokemon:

Banette: I think your idea of using the Doll to evolve it is really neat, but i don't know if it fits with the Normal type, the changes i thought for it are basically transform it into a physical Gengar.

Blaziken: I think Moxie will still make it broken, so.. i dk about it, maybe Defiant or Justified?

Serperior : Either Regenerator, Wonder Skin, Shed Skin or Unaware would fit its style i think.

EDIT: Finished the list, want me to PM or post it here ?

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Im making a test file for the suggested changes (since i just finished Gen 6)

Im looking at some pokemon:

Banette: I think your idea of using the Doll to evolve it is really neat, but i don't know if it fits with the Normal type, the changes i thought for it are basically transform it into a physical Gengar.

Blaziken: I think Moxie will still make it broken, so.. i dk about it, maybe Defiant or Justified?

Serperior : Either Regenerator, Wonder Skin, Shed Skin or Unaware would fit its style i think.

EDIT: Finished the list, want me to PM or post it here ?

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Feel free to send me the list, if you're still interested! Either option is fine.

 

Hello, everyone! I've been through some Extra Rough Times, so I haven't had time to make a status update until now.

Now that Gen 7 has been released, the new Pokémon can be added to the list. They haven't been properly tested, though, so I'll be extra careful with the buffs. Spoilers below!

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Feel free to send me the list, if you're still interested! Either option is fine.

 

Hello, everyone! I've been through some Extra Rough Times, so I haven't had time to make a status update until now.

Now that Gen 7 has been released, the new Pokémon can be added to the list. They haven't been properly tested, though, so I'll be extra careful with the buffs. Spoilers below!

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sent it by pm, just in case ill post it here too :)

 

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