Version 9 Status Thread

[ShadeStrider]

The Rumors did not embellish the truth.

 

He's a Leviathan.

[Gyroben]

3 hours ago, ShadeStrider said:

Their will be no mega eevee. How do I know this?

 

I hath telekinesis.

Ohhhh a mega eevee with a custom ability like "super protean" would be awesome!

 

It would change eevee forms depending on the move

[ShadeStrider]

4 minutes ago, FleetWood said:

Ohhhh a mega eevee with a custom ability like "super protean" would be awesome!

 

It would change eevee forms depending on the move

Pokemon Insurgence.

You won't be disappointed.

 

 

Make sure to pick Eevee as your starter.

Edited April 12, 2017 by ShadeStrider

[Gyroben]

Just now, ShadeStrider said:

Pokemon Insurgence.

You won't be disappointed.

Oh I remember, think I saw some art of it on the insurgence twitter or something 

[Sceptilespy]

"Protean Maxima" is what it's called and it's busted.

To put it in easy terms to understand:

Mega Eevee uses Flare Blitz

Protean Maxima activates.

Mega Eevee turns into Flareon and adapts it's stats and typing.

Flareon (Mega Eevee) uses Flare Blitz.

**Next turn**

Flareon uses thunderbolt.

Protean Maxima activates.

Flareon turns into Jolteon and adapts it's stats and typing.

Jolteon uses thunderbolt.

[lokighost]

9 hours ago, Sceptilespy said:

"Protean Maxima" is what it's called and it's busted.

To put it in easy terms to understand:

Mega Eevee uses Flare Blitz

Protean Maxima activates.

Mega Eevee turns into Flareon and adapts it's stats and typing.

Flareon (Mega Eevee) uses Flare Blitz.

**Next turn**

Flareon uses thunderbolt.

Protean Maxima activates.

Flareon turns into Jolteon and adapts it's stats and typing.

Jolteon uses thunderbolt.

that sounds sweet but limited by the 4 move set if has

 

[ShadeStrider]

Can we discuss Madame X? 

[lokighost]

7 minutes ago, ShadeStrider said:

Can we discuss Madame X? 

if you like

 

[ShadeStrider]

Before killing yancy, Madame X said that our life was "Rightfully hers" or something like that.

 

Does anyone think that she was being literal?

[lokighost]

1 hour ago, ShadeStrider said:

Before killing yancy, Madame X said that our life was "Rightfully hers" or something like that.

 

Does anyone think that she was being literal?

tbh she comfuzzled me dose she want us dead or alive?

 

on another note jan will we be getting vulpix (any one of the two) any time soon ( I donno why I just wanna try it out in this game)

Edited April 12, 2017 by lokighost

[ShadeStrider]

2 hours ago, lokighost said:

tbh she comfuzzled me dose she want us dead or alive?

 

on another note jan will we be getting vulpix (any one of the two) any time soon ( I donno why I just wanna try it out in this game)

I doubt it. Drought is too Overpowered. Not sure about Snow Warning, though. Hail isn't that good.

 

Edited April 12, 2017 by ShadeStrider

[Sceptilespy]

2 hours ago, ShadeStrider said:

Before killing yancy, Madame X said that our life was "Rightfully hers" or something like that.

 

Does anyone think that she was being literal?

Nastasia and Madelis speak to Yancy as if she's a doll.

Madame X said Yancy's life is rightfully hers.

Therefore, Yancy was in some way created by Madame x.

Just a little bit of deductive reasoning on the fly. Why she created Yancy would be a better discussion topic. But then that's going off the assumption (Since it's not confirmed yet, although implied) that Madame X created Yancy. And since the base for the discussion is already pretty thin, I don't think we CAN discuss it yet. Or at least, not get anything out of it, which we usually do out of discussions like these.

EDIT: Bout an hour later I noticed my deductive reasoning is flawed, but anyone who's played the game in its entirety should get it.

EDIT2: Regarding Ninetales. I think it's time we start getting better mons. Ninetales isn't even great, so it'd be fine to give it to the player now. Especially since the majority of things fire beats in terms of gym leader types we've passed. It's not fast. The only thing arguable is drought. And what's drought to a pathetic phys atk stat and a below average spA. Combine this with average special bulk, worthless phys bulk, and hp. Ninetales is fine. It's Alolan ninetales who you need to worry about. With above average speed with 347 max, making up for it's bulk in aurora veil, 100% accuracy blizzard and nasty plot to make up for that below average special atk, AND freeze-dry. Especially since it's likely we're facing a flying type gym leader next, Aloninetales isn't coming for a while, and it's a mistake if it does.

(I also didn't mention normal Ninetales having Nasty plot because it's not fast, or bulky enough to make use of it.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Sceptilespy

[Gyroben]

10 hours ago, Sceptilespy said:

Nastasia and Madelis speak to Yancy as if she's a doll.

Madame X said Yancy's life is rightfully hers.

Therefore, Yancy was in some way created by Madame x.

Just a little bit of deductive reasoning on the fly. Why she created Yancy would be a better discussion topic. But then that's going off the assumption (Since it's not confirmed yet, although implied) that Madame X created Yancy. And since the base for the discussion is already pretty thin, I don't think we CAN discuss it yet. Or at least, not get anything out of it, which we usually do out of discussions like these.

EDIT: Bout an hour later I noticed my deductive reasoning is flawed, but anyone who's played the game in its entirety should get it.

EDIT2: Regarding Ninetales. I think it's time we start getting better mons. Ninetales isn't even great, so it'd be fine to give it to the player now. Especially since the majority of things fire beats in terms of gym leader types we've passed. It's not fast. The only thing arguable is drought. And what's drought to a pathetic phys atk stat and a below average spA. Combine this with average special bulk, worthless phys bulk, and hp. Ninetales is fine. It's Alolan ninetales who you need to worry about. With above average speed with 347 max, making up for it's bulk in aurora veil, 100% accuracy blizzard and nasty plot to make up for that below average special atk, AND freeze-dry. Especially since it's likely we're facing a flying type gym leader next, Aloninetales isn't coming for a while, and it's a mistake if it does.

(I also didn't mention normal Ninetales having Nasty plot because it's not fast, or bulky enough to make use of it.

Yep but if a mon on the team has a decent enough speed and steel wing, that 4x weakness isn't going to hold up well 

Edited April 13, 2017 by FleetWood

[lokighost]

16 hours ago, Sceptilespy said:

Nastasia and Madelis speak to Yancy as if she's a doll.

Madame X said Yancy's life is rightfully hers.

Therefore, Yancy was in some way created by Madame x.

Just a little bit of deductive reasoning on the fly. Why she created Yancy would be a better discussion topic. But then that's going off the assumption (Since it's not confirmed yet, although implied) that Madame X created Yancy. And since the base for the discussion is already pretty thin, I don't think we CAN discuss it yet. Or at least, not get anything out of it, which we usually do out of discussions like these.

EDIT: Bout an hour later I noticed my deductive reasoning is flawed, but anyone who's played the game in its entirety should get it.

EDIT2: Regarding Ninetales. I think it's time we start getting better mons. Ninetales isn't even great, so it'd be fine to give it to the player now. Especially since the majority of things fire beats in terms of gym leader types we've passed. It's not fast. The only thing arguable is drought. And what's drought to a pathetic phys atk stat and a below average spA. Combine this with average special bulk, worthless phys bulk, and hp. Ninetales is fine. It's Alolan ninetales who you need to worry about. With above average speed with 347 max, making up for it's bulk in aurora veil, 100% accuracy blizzard and nasty plot to make up for that below average special atk, AND freeze-dry. Especially since it's likely we're facing a flying type gym leader next, Aloninetales isn't coming for a while, and it's a mistake if it does.

(I also didn't mention normal Ninetales having Nasty plot because it's not fast, or bulky enough to make use of it.

and if jan did slip up and let use get Aloninetales i'd be getting is

[Alex]

Why did you comment on Alolan Ninetales getting Nasty Plot to make up for its lowish spatk when normal Ninetales also gets Nasty plot, as well as boosted fire attacks in Sun, and access to flash fire if it is required over drought. Also, Aurora Veil is a TM move for Alolan Ninetales. It won't be getting that any time soon, I assure you.

[ShadeStrider]

18 hours ago, Sceptilespy said:

Nastasia and Madelis speak to Yancy as if she's a doll.

Madame X said Yancy's life is rightfully hers.

Therefore, Yancy was in some way created by Madame x.

Just a little bit of deductive reasoning on the fly. Why she created Yancy would be a better discussion topic. But then that's going off the assumption (Since it's not confirmed yet, although implied) that Madame X created Yancy. And since the base for the discussion is already pretty thin, I don't think we CAN discuss it yet. Or at least, not get anything out of it, which we usually do out of discussions like these.

EDIT: Bout an hour later I noticed my deductive reasoning is flawed, but anyone who's played the game in its entirety should get it.

EDIT2: Regarding Ninetales. I think it's time we start getting better mons. Ninetales isn't even great, so it'd be fine to give it to the player now. Especially since the majority of things fire beats in terms of gym leader types we've passed. It's not fast. The only thing arguable is drought. And what's drought to a pathetic phys atk stat and a below average spA. Combine this with average special bulk, worthless phys bulk, and hp. Ninetales is fine. It's Alolan ninetales who you need to worry about. With above average speed with 347 max, making up for it's bulk in aurora veil, 100% accuracy blizzard and nasty plot to make up for that below average special atk, AND freeze-dry. Especially since it's likely we're facing a flying type gym leader next, Aloninetales isn't coming for a while, and it's a mistake if it does.

(I also didn't mention normal Ninetales having Nasty plot because it's not fast, or bulky enough to make use of it.

I thought that Madame X said that The Main Character's Life was rightfully hers. Not Yancy. 

 

Leon is what Cynical named his character.

Edited April 13, 2017 by ShadeStrider

[Winter Angel]

@ShadeStrider Yup. Madame X did say that and Yancy jumped in the way so we won't die. Plot armor? Deus ex machina? (Well, I think Melia was that).

 

Madame X is an interesting character as we just assume she's human (though personality-wise not really). She and Crescent certainly have history.

 

Note: If Gen. 7 is coming in the next update, will we be able to receive the starters (I want Popplio) later or would I have to have another save file to get them? 

[Sceptilespy]

Just now, Alex said:

Why did you comment on Alolan Ninetales getting Nasty Plot to make up for its lowish spatk when normal Ninetales also gets Nasty plot, as well as boosted fire attacks in Sun, and access to flash fire if it is required over drought. Also, Aurora Veil is a TM move for Alolan Ninetales. It won't be getting that any time soon, I assure you.

I did mention normal Ninetales getting Nasty Plot....

It's not fast enough or bulky enough to make use of it. Besides for killing 1 mon if that helps.

Aurora Veil as my bad, but then again, it doesn't REALLY need that bulk. Aurora Veil is just there in case you need it. Besides, what makes Nasty Plot more useful on A. Ninetales is because A. Ninetales is fast. Whereas Normal Ninetales isn't. While Drought may add extra damage, like I said, it helps you kill one mon and then it's dead, or you're switching it out and losing the boost. Also, 81 spA plus drought is now, at BEST, a little bit above average. Besides, boosted fire attacks in Sun plus nasty plot is much less useful then 100% accurate Blizzard plus Nasty Plot.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Sceptilespy

[Alex]

Just so you know, at max satk boosted nature, when using a fire attack in drought, ninetales effectively has a stat of:

 

This is 36 more points than max invest Gengar, who hits like a truck, and also just barely more than Thundurus-Therian and Mega Camerupt, both of which have a base special attack of 145. This is much harder than "a little above average." Also, Ninetales still has 100 base speed? It's not as fast as A-Ninetales, sure, but it's not the slowest thing since sliced bread. There's still a lot it outspeeds ingame so idk why you're acting as if that 9 speed difference is going to make it dead to everything. As someone who has used a Ninetales in Reborn before, here's a hint: it won't. That 9 speed difference is not as big as a difference as you're making it out to be.

Also, Alolan Ninetales entire worth pretty much comes from Aurora Veil because 8 turns of Light Screen and Reflect in one is pretty busted, otherwise it's kinda like Jynx but without Lovely Kiss, who is also fast and gets nasty plot and is ice type, but has its differences of course.

[Sceptilespy]

Just now, Alex said:

Just so you know, at max satk boosted nature, when using a fire attack in drought, ninetales effectively has a stat of:

 

This is 36 more points than max invest Gengar, who hits like a truck, and also just barely more than Thundurus-Therian and Mega Camerupt, both of which have a base special attack of 145. This is much harder than "a little above average." Also, Ninetales still has 100 base speed? It's not as fast as A-Ninetales, sure, but it's not the slowest thing since sliced bread. There's still a lot it outspeeds ingame so idk why you're acting as if that 9 speed difference is going to make it dead to everything. As someone who has used a Ninetales in Reborn before, here's a hint: it won't. That 9 speed difference is not as big as a difference as you're making it out to be.

Also, Alolan Ninetales entire worth pretty much comes from Aurora Veil because 8 turns of Light Screen and Reflect in one is pretty busted, otherwise it's kinda like Jynx but without Lovely Kiss, who is also fast and gets nasty plot and is ice type, but has its differences of course.

Spoiler

 

1. You're not accounting for STAB when it comes to Mega Camerupt and Thunderus. Not to mention Sheer force, so Ninetales doesn't come close to hitting as hard as it.

2. Point. Way above what I said.

3. 100 base speed is 328 at level 100 with max IVs and plus speed nature. 109 speed is 347 with max IVs and plus speed nature. That's a pretty big difference. Not to mention, I wasn't acting as if it was going to die to everything. I was saying, on any well rounded team, Ninetales is likely going to be forced out, or die after it kills it's first mon. I didn't make this argument against A. Ninetales because A. Ninetales is faster then a lot of things that would switch in on Ninetales. I'm pretty sure Max spA stab blizzard hits harder then drought flamethrower which is what you typically see on both of the mons. I'm also making the argument against A. Ninetales because it's much easier to sweep.

4. Also, coming from somebody who plays competitive often, A. Ninetales entire worth doesn't come from Aurora Veil. While a lot of it's worth is contributed to aurora veil, due to A. Ninetales' speed, making it easy to get up, a lot of it comes from it's sweeping ability. Nasty plot plus 100% accurate Blizzard, freeze dry, and moonblast and 347 peed makes it easy to sweep. Whereas on Ninetales it's 328 speed gets it shut down easy. From what I'm reading, it seems you're implying I'm implying Ninetales is bad. Which it's not. My comment was referring to any well rounded team such as Gym Leaders or Rivals, in which case, Ninetales gets it's 1 kill and then it dies to something that outspeeds it. But A. Ninetales likely outspeeds the mon that would come in on normal Ninetales.

5. Jynx is nothing like A. Ninetales in terms of what they do. The only similarity they have is their Nasty plot, and the ice type. In which case, A. Ninetales is WAAAAY better then it. By the way, ingame wise, 95 is pretty fast. But in what I was referring to, a well rounded team, 95 speed isn't fast.

 

 

TL;DR:

A. Ninetales is better then Ninetales and shouldn't be given to the player. Especially since the next leader is presumably a flying type one. And all good flying types are faster then Normal Ninetales. Therefore, Ninetales has a reason to be given to the player. Jynx is nothing like A. Ninetales except for Ice type, Nasty plot, and psychic and Extrassensory. Which A. Ninetales can use to cover another one of it's weaknesses. Anyways. A. Ninetales is a better sweeper overall. Anything that switches in on Ninetales either lives it's attacks or outspeeds it. (That's the last time I'm type something that long)

[Ramiru]

3 minutes ago, Sceptilespy said:

1. You're not accounting for STAB when it comes to Mega Camerupt and Thunderus. Not to mention Sheer force, so Ninetales doesn't come close to hitting as hard as it.

Well you're not accounting for STAB when it comes to Ninetales either :] So Ninetales at max Sp Atk + Sun is still stronger than Thundurus. Mega Camerupt still comes out slightly on top but that's only because of Sheer Force.

[Alex]

For your first point I wasn't accounting for STAB for Ninetales either, so that's irrelevant. The 1.5x boost was simply from Drought. If STAB was included, that number would be higher.

Also, every flying-type that is faster than normal Ninetales but slower than Alolan ninetales: http://prnt.sc/ew6hmy - not many. Every other Flying-type outspeeds both or is outsped by both.

Wait, 95 speed ingame is fast?? Ninetales is 100 speed and I've been talking about ingame all this time so how is it not fast?? Competitive is irrelevant since this is about its discussion about performance ingame.
"I'm pretty sure Max spA stab blizzard hits harder then drought flamethrower"
252+ SpA Ninetales Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Audino in Sun: 141-166 (34.3 - 40.4%) -- 49% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Audino: 114-135 (27.8 - 32.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery

[Sceptilespy]

Just now, Alex said:

For your first point I wasn't accounting for STAB for Ninetales either, so that's irrelevant. The 1.5x boost was simply from Drought. If STAB was included, that number would be higher.

Also, every flying-type that is faster than normal Ninetales but slower than Alolan ninetales: http://prnt.sc/ew6hmy

Wait, 95 speed ingame is fast?? Ninetales is 100 speed and I've been talking about ingame all this time so how is it not fast?? Competitive is irrelevant since this is about its discussion about performance ingame.
"I'm pretty sure Max spA stab blizzard hits harder then drought flamethrower"
252+ SpA Ninetales Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Audino in Sun: 141-166 (34.3 - 40.4%) -- 49% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Audino: 114-135 (27.8 - 32.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after hail damage and Leftovers recovery

1. I never said 100 speed was slow..? I've been saying 100 speed isn't useful for any well rounded team such as gym leaders. Granted Gym leaders are in game, so my fault for referring to them as different things, but that's what I've been doing.

2. Learned something new today. (The calcs)

3. And I was mainly talking about performance against well rounded teams, not ingame in general. I only brought up 95 being fast in ingame because it is. I never said 100 was slow in ingame in general. In fact, I never said 100 was slow at all. The summary of what I've said this whole team regarding Ninetales' speed that refers to it potentially being "slow" is that it gets it's one kill on a mon and then another mon switches in on it then it dies. And this is in reference to well rounded teams. The entire time I've been trying to talk about it's performance against well rounded teams, and you kinda just brought up in game in general. And Breeder Timmy's team of Audinos isn't a well rounded team.

EDIT: Whatever. Point originally was that ninetales should be given to the player and A. Ninetales shouldn't. I'm just going to stand by that and move on.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Sceptilespy

[Alex]

Alright I see where you're coming from more, but I still think the speed difference is pretty slim since accounting for random IVs on your pokemon and such, and leaders, especially on intense, being a higher level and having perfect IVs is a thing, so their speed is going to be higher than usual. Of course, both normal ninetales and alolan ninetales do different things; alolan ninetales is faster but ninetales is stronger, but I think the strength is a much more important difference than the speed. However, when thinking about where something is going to be placed, you need to think about the game in general and not just leaders. Also, Drought provides a lot more support than Snow Warning, (although now with slush rush, this might change) and we already have snow warning providers.
I see where you're coming from, I just disagree.

[FairFamily]

You both are downplaying drought. The ability to setup weather with such a small cost is huge. Setting up the sun that way means not only don't you have to "sack" the pokemon for your weather, you can reuse him easier, you have guarntueed weather, you can put more pressure on your opponent , ... . Then don't forget what it does to some pokemon. Charizard becomes a huge monster under the sun. Under solar power it has more special attack then its mega. This makes charizard a threathening sweeper. Chlorophyl users like leafeon get monstrous speed,  moonlight and synthesis get their healing increased, ... .

 

To refer another fangame, in desolation, you get ninetales. When you as a sun team get draught, your effiency improves by a lot. I clearly noticed the difference. It is not a threathening sweeper but it is a dangerous support. It boosts my heliolisks special attack, it makes a setup clefable easier, it makes charizard a nuke, ... .