Why not just giving us a Mega Ring?

[MantaRed]

As the Title already says. Why don't Ame just giving us a Mega Ring?

 

People would argue with two arguments now:

1. It is too strong using amazing mega evolutions.

2. Ame wants to make us suffer.

 

But, is that really the case? In my opinion, introducing the Mega Ring right now, would make us even more suffer, wouldn't lower the game difficulty, would contribute to use more of the little weakling-pokemon and still giving us an amazing feature of pokemon. Why is that so?

 

Let's consider having a Mega Ring and being able to use all the mega evolutions with all the given mega stones as of Ep. 16.

1. The current mega stones available in the game right now are: Abomasite, Banettite, Cameruptite, Glalitite, Heracronite and Pinsirite. I hope I haven't forgotten one. The best mega evolutions out of this collection are Mega-Heracross and Mega-Pinsir, being in OverUsed tier. Besides of already having better bug types in the game right away with Durant and Crustle, these two would propably be the new best bug types in the game, but that's it. They're not uber, they're not like smashing every enemy right away. We're already having access to pkm like Greninja and Torchic, pkm of uber tier who can sweep entire teams and we have a lot of pkm in OverUsed tier like Excadrill, Gengar (with online play & trade), Weavile, Amoonguss, Breloom, Klefki and a lot more who still get the job done. With the currenty availability in pkm we have right now, I don't see any problems regarding to balance. The opposite is the case. Like currently, if you would give the users an (f.e.) ice-pkm of choice, Weavile would be the answer right away. No one bats an eye on Glalie or Abomasnow. Even WITH mega evolutions, they belong to Rarelyused or Borderline-Underused tier. But they're getting more attractive with mega evolution than without. Same goes with the others. Banette loses to Gengar and Cameruptite loses to a lot of fire-pkm. You could implement that right away, seen from a competitive base, Gengar and Blaziken are still the choice. But, as I've said, the pkm Camerupt and Banette would get more attractive to use at all. It contributes in using those other underdog pkm, while not having a great impact on the balance of the game.

 

2. But how does that make us more suffer, when we can use another feature in pkm. From this side, not. Being able to use another feature in the game is just amazing, we shouldn't be hindered using them. It brings more flexibility, more fun. Right now, we're not having this feature, but nothing in comparison to compensate that gap. Almost same story with the iPhone 7 and the missing headphone jack. People don't like that. They've been stolen with this feature and complained about it. We in Reborn, we haven't even get in pleasure using them at all. But coming back to my point: how does it still make us more suffer while we're having more fun? Because look at those god-damned mega stones! Abomasite, Cameruptite? I want to have a Blazikenite or Mega-Charizardite X! Those real badass monsters, they would still be missing, and everybody would like to have them. With implementing the Mega Ring, Ame would give us a chair to reach the lightbulb, but it still wouldn't be enough to reach it, because there is a tiny bit missing. God damn you Ame! But we have the opportunity to use the other mega-evolutions. And well, a Mega-Glalie and the others ... they don't look too shabby, do they?

And all in all. I'm sick of looking at those noob trainers using their mega evolutions, while I sit here on my ass with some stones but no chance to use them. NPCs see me ingame like: "Oh, oh. There is this trainer who recks every Meteor-gang-member and every trainer there is. But he's not able using Mega-Evolutions, even though he has some stones!? What's that noob. Let's cheer for Fern again." and I'm like "Screw you, Fern, once I get my Mega Ring I'm gonna use my Mega-Abomasite to shovel some snow into your **********".

 

You get my point.  But all that argueing with common sense ... it won't help. Because Ame is more that riddle-type of human. We've already made her publishing Ep. 16 with asking her about the release-date of Ep. 1.

 

So, please help me users. Share with me your thoughts about if implementing Mega Rings would be a good idea or not AND suggest your question to trigger Ame implementing this ring. So I'll start right off the bat with ... do you implement the Mega Ring, if I ask you about how many helioptiles does it take to change a light bulb?

[FairFamily]

Don't forget spoilers.

Spoiler

Audinite is avialable also Ame intended to give us a ring in e16 (though she was willing to retract it if OP) but she changed her mind a bit later, I think it was plot reasons.

 

About mega rings, I rather have the ring early then the stones since the stones are the balancing factor. However I'm not going to use mega evolution for the sake of mega evolution. Instead I will patiently wait for the right stone for my team. Also if you think mega's are bad let's talk tm's.
 

Spoiler

E16 is the episode you get flame charge. no ice beam, no roost,... . 

 

Edited December 27, 2016 by FairFamily

[WujiKyurem]

I have a strong inclination that we'll get the Mega Ring at the end of E17. It would only make sense given that in the real-life Reborn League, only the highest two tiers (Elite and Champion tiers) of leaders were able to use Megas. In this case: Adrienn, Ciel, and Titania (Elite); and Amaria, Hardy, and Saphira (Champion). After defeating one tier, you would be able to challenge the next. So yeah, it looks likely for E17 if you ask me -- just my headcanon.

[Strider]

Spoiler

If it hasn't been mention, I think we also get Steelixite?

 

[Alistair]

Spoiler

You forgot the Steelixite among stones available in e16, indeed.

 

While I would absolutely love to have a mega ring, it makes sense that we don't get one yet. Only a handful of trainers in the game have them so far (not counting hardcore mod) and seeing a mega is something that should be impactful. When you see one, you know shit's going down. It would lose its intimidation factor should we be able to use a mega of our own, even if it's not an OU one. Reborn is all about a young, talented newcomer overcoming the odds and cutting their way through the fearsome Reborn league. So, from a storytelling pov, it would be pretty normal to have the ring pushed back to say, just before E4.

 

Besides, your argumentation is sound but based heavily on the theoretical usefulness of megas according to the current competitive meta. While good mons will always be good and bad mons will always be bad, Reborn is still just a game where you face A.I. and doesn't exactly obey the same rules as the competitive sphere, since it gives you additional mechanics to work with (for instance field effects) and doesn't ban sleep or OHKO moves. There's also the matter of making mons obtainable depending on the game's region we get to explore (for instance, we can't have Ferrothorn yet not because it's OP but because we haven't reached the desert).

All these factors would justify not considering Reborn's meta as equivalent to Smogon's, hence megas not being specifically available in order of competitive usefulness. Or available at all, in our case.

 

Edit: actually you summed things up nicely in your second paragraph. We already have stuff to defeat of foes with. Megas would be fun to play with, but are not necessary. Not having the ring gives us at least something to look forward to for the next episodes.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Alistair

[Farnsworth]

My only issue with getting the Mega Stone in episode 17 is that it would give us access to two extremely strong pokemon: M-Heracross and M-Pinsir. You shouldn't use Smogon tiers to judge how good a pokemon is in-game, because for example Greninja is a pokemon from the Uber tier, but it's mediocre until very late game. That being said the two mega bugs are just way too strong, they hit really hard and Pinsir is fast enough to outspeed almost the entire game (except for the fast pokemons that the leaders have). If they weren't included in the list of available mega stones then I'd agree whole heartedly with your proposal, but I just can't see them not being utterly broken. That being said, I'd say to axe these two stones and give use the M-Ring next episode.

 

Also, we still don't have Gyarados, so why should we get the mega bugs? 

[MantaRed]

Let me summarize your opinions. There were some arguments, that Reborn isn't Smogon regarding to viability of a pokemon, some concerns because of the balancing (rather mega ring first, then stones for balancing; axe M-Pinsir+M-Heracross), some extra opinions, that E17 will bring it either way, uniqueness of megas and some arguments supporting my suggestion (you da real MVP).

 

Well, of course, it's true, it isn't Smogon. In Reborn, field effects play an important role and there are some new attacks as well. But imo, that isn't creating a whole different level of tiers, it's just "distorting" the smogon-tiers. And in Reborn it's also quite important which attacks the pkm naturally learn because of the lack of TMs we have. That can influence the tier as well. Maybe there is a pkm who makes the jump from UU to OU or vice versa, but the distortion isn't that huge. Pokemon like Azumarill, Blaziken etc. are still great. Ame is adjusting field effects and the learnability of attacks, but these are just two factors. If Ame really intends to create a whole different level of tiers, she had to adjust pkm abilities, natural attacks learned, pkm weaknesses/strengths etc. as well. But that won't happen. Adjusting only two rather little factors don't change tiers greatly.

The impact on having M-Pinsir or M-Heracross should be something to be tested in alpha/beta. If they're really making the cut, then Ame can axe the possibilites of getting them, as she alrdy had with plenty other pkm like Mudkip, Gastly or Bulbasaur. Even though I'm not a fan of this method, we would still have the possibility of using normal Pinsir and Heracross, which should be fine. That's the least thing I want that the game will get easy (even though it is after you get a box full of perfect IV/EVs). I expect of Ame implementing the hardest Top4 I've ever seen, like all of them fully EV and IV trained, level 100, perfectionized AI, perfect attacks, competitive tactics etc. But as I've said, this is sth which has to be tested, you can't simply give a forecast on their impact.

 

Regarding the argument of only the enemies having megas is sexy or intimidating, I don't really think so. Like I farmed a lot of the grandhall trainers, and there is a point where you simply get used to them. If you go into the tunnel of horror for several times, it just isn't as terrific as it was on the first go. It get's less exciting. And as soon as you reach the point in knowing them in and out, they're no surprise. You're just wondering yourself why you haven't gotten one of it as well.

 

If we really are the chosen one of a pkm trainer this game tries to convince me to, why not implementing a deep bond between pkm, like Ash and his Greninja, which enables us having the mega-evolution. All of the others have to use their ring, we don't. That's sexy and new! And that could be an Ame-niveau quest as well - like a guy disguised asking you what your favorite pkm is, but it's a meteor douchebag stealing that pkm afterwards to harm you and strengthen meteor, building it in a machine, you'll rescue it, etc. etc.

Which may also impact the balance, that we can only have one mega, f.e, so wouldn't completely having all of them.

 

There are a lot of things to use to make the balance perfect. And you all know that Ame could create a quest which is so god damn sexy that you all would be glad accomplishing it and get a mega for that. And you also know that she will do that, she won't just give it to you so easily. When you get it, it'll be awesome for sure.

[Commander]

Since I'm on mobile it'll be hard to type, but first off l, GF pretty much admitted that megas were broken and are trying hard to push away from the concept and countering it with z moves.

 

Secondly, megas merely add a layer of managing difficulty to the point Reborn is barely keeping together and admittedly hardcore has hit a wall. So if either Ame or I push the mega ring back, it's likely just so that we can keep scaling the difficulty until finally going all out. 

[Farnsworth]

40 minutes ago, Commander said:

Since I'm on mobile it'll be hard to type, but first off l, GF pretty much admitted that megas were broken and are trying hard to push away from the concept and countering it with z moves.

 

Secondly, megas merely add a layer of managing difficulty to the point Reborn is barely keeping together and admittedly hardcore has hit a wall. So if either Ame or I push the mega ring back, it's likely just so that we can keep scaling the difficulty until finally going all out. 

 

From what I've heard the Elite Four are supposedly getting legendary pokemon. So I feel like that would be the ideal point in the story to introduce the mega ring (while still holding off on the stronger megas like Zard, Kanga, Mawile, Lucario, Gengar, etc.). Difficulty shouldn't really be an issue in the post-game, so by then Ame can go all out with the mega stones.

[Combat]

While I understand not giving the Player a Mega Ring from a game play perspective as it would make the game stupidly easy in some cases, I do have to wonder why no one would give the player a ring from a plot perspective. Right now, the player and their friends are the only thing standing in the way of the destruction of Reborn, so why wouldn't someone work to get them a tool that would help them save innocent lives? Many of the leaders who have the mega rings could easily loan the PC one (I believe, I've kind of forgotten where everyone is at the moment) so I feel like you'd want to give them the edge they needed.

 

I hope that when we do get one, its feels like an accomplishment though. I feel like the mega ring will be a turning point in the plot so to speak. Just imagine one of your Pokemon Mega Evolving for the first time and going head to head with a Pulse abomination. 

[5hift]

I thought Mega Ring/Stones are more endgame items.

 

Yeah we're getting close but best hold off until the game starts getting real crazy.