Farnsworth Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 So I've been recently doing a Ground type mono run and during my playthrough I came across a very interesting piece of dialogue coming from Radomus: Spoiler I didn't remember seeing this dialogue before on my previous playthrough, so I searched on youtube to see if I could find it there. And it seems like this has been added in episode 16, which has some interesting implications. This dialogue is important because this is the first time there is any mention of a reserve Fairy Leader in the league. The question is who could this leader be? Ame has confirmed that as of episode 14 we have met all of the characters, so this mystery leader has to be someone we know. I did some research on the online Reborn League, and Adrienn was the only fairy type leader in the history of the league. Not to mention that every other leader already seems to have a role in the game and the in-game league, whether it be being E4 (ex Heather, Laura), a gym leader (ex Shelly, Luna, Charlotte), a challenger (ex Cain, Fern, Victoria) or just not having any connections to the league (ex Arclight, Sigmund, Lin). All except for one that is. Apparently Gossip Gardevoir was a leader in the online Reborn League, she even had her own trainer card. However, I'm still not sure if she was a serious Leader or a troll one (kind of like Sandy) since she listed Radomus as her ace in her trainer card. Another problem is that she was a Psychic Leader and not a Fairy one. That being said, in Gen VI Gardevoir gained an additional typing, and that typing was Fairy. So that could be used as a justification to make her into a Fairy type trainer in-game. Moreover, Gardevoir was quite aware about Adrienn being the fairy leader: Spoiler She was aware of Adrienn without even meeting xem. The only reasonable explanation to that is that she is in fact the reserve Fairy Leader and because of that Ame explained Adrienn's situation to Gardevoir. So, if Gardevoir is actually the reserve Fairy Leader there could be some interesting implications for the story, especially since this was (maybe) added in E16. I don't really know what could come out from this (if anything). But it is an interesting discussion if anything. Though it could also just be a cop-out from the whole Adrienn being gone for 10+ years plot hole and I'm just reading too much into things. So, TL;DR There's a reserve fairy leader, and that might be Gossip Gardevoir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGoodCabinet2 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I read it as "reverse" fairy type gym leader....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WujiKyurem Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) I haven't played that far into my E16-native save file, but I know for a fact that the game mentioned a reserve Fairy leader in E15 -- the dialogue may have just changed a bit. Before, it used to say that the Fairy leader appointed by Ame after xyr disappearance was killed by the PULSE Tangrowth in Jasper. Edited January 2, 2017 by WujiKyurem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 I just double checked that same cutscene in E15, and there is no mention whatsoever of the reserve Fairy Leader. At the very least that piece of dialogue is brand new to E16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyaagisa The Maid Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Most likely the Fairy-type reserve leader is Anna. How can G.Gardevoir be a Leader if she is Radomus' Ace ? (She's a pokemon too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WujiKyurem Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Really? So the thing about the dead leader must've been from an older Episode. I'll see if I can find a screenshot of that line anywhere. But yeah, it looks to me like Ame is cleverly altering dialogue to set the stage for GG to be a gym leader like she was in Season 1. And with regards to Anna, she's almost guaranteed to be E4 at this point. Edited January 2, 2017 by WujiKyurem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEL Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Nagisa_Hideyoshi said: Most likely the Fairy-type reserve leader is Anna. How can G.Gardevoir be a Leader if she is Radomus' Ace ? (She's a pokemon too). Anna is shown to use a Gothitelle in Sigmund's Orphanage as we rescue Heather. That, and her Jirachi plushie, make me think that if she is a type specialist, it'll be Psychic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 Expanding on Anna it has been heavily hinted that she is one of the E4. Not to mention that her ace is (most likely) Nostra, and Jirachi is a Psychic/Steel type pokemon meaning she couldn't possibly be the reserve fairy leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enkhidu Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 If memory serves me right, Adrienn asked Ame about this and she said that there used to be another Fairy type gym leader that took xyr place but disappeared after the problems with the city started happening. I think it was in E16 but I may be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyaagisa The Maid Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Don't tell me .... IT'S LIN ???!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods Ice Cream Sand Witch Posted January 2, 2017 Global Mods Share Posted January 2, 2017 It was in E16 that Adrienn asked Ame why she didn't appoint a reserve and Ame explains it. In addition to what's been said about Nostra and Anna's Gothitelle, she was also a Psychic leader in Reborn's online league. EDIT: @Nagisa_Hideyoshi Lin is a Dragon type trainer; she was the season 1 Dragon leader (and season 1 champion) of Reborn's online league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyaagisa The Maid Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 The reserve Leader disappeared when the disaster fell on reborn. The disaster fell decades ago. Radomus daughter and wife lost long ago. Is it Radomus' wife ? (since we never seen the reserve fairy leader anyway, maybe it's a nonexistent character) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ice Cream Sand Witch said: It was in E16 that Adrienn asked Ame why she didn't appoint a reserve and Ame explains it. In addition to what's been said about Nostra and Anna's Gothitelle, she was also a Psychic leader in Reborn's online league. EDIT: @Nagisa_Hideyoshi Lin is a Dragon type trainer; she was the season 1 Dragon leader (and season 1 champion) of Reborn's online league. Hmmm I guess that shoots down the theory of Gardevoir being the reserve fairy leader. But who could possibly be this fairy leader? We will ever find out who this mysterious person is? Do you know more or less the point of the story when Ame explains this? I'd like to take a look at the dialogue and I don't really know how to mess with RPG Maker. At this point it does seem this reserve leader is just a cop-out for the plot hole involving Adrienn. But there might be more than meets the eye to this story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods Ice Cream Sand Witch Posted January 2, 2017 Global Mods Share Posted January 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Farnsworth said: Hmmm I guess that shoots down the theory of Gardevoir being the reserve fairy leader. But who could possibly be this fairy leader? We will ever find out who this mysterious person is? Do you know more or less the point of the story when Ame explains this? I'd like to take a look at the dialogue and I don't really know how to mess with RPG Maker. At this point it does seem this reserve leader is just a cop-out for the plot hole involving Adrienn. But there might be more than meets the eye to this story. This is in the Grand Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I wonder if he will ever appear in the game. If he was last seen before the incidents with PULSE Tangrowth, maybe he was taken by Team Meteor and is being kept in Labradorra? But I still doubt that we'll ever hear of him again, since we have met all characters as of E14 and no one - aside from Adrienn - has any connection with Fairy Types or fits the roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampellow Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 From what ive heard around, we have met all of the major characters in the game that will appear, so it is most likely that he dead :c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyaagisa The Maid Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 IT'S ORDERLY JOHN !!! Or not ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combat Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 While I lack any theories on any potential suspects, we need to remember that this is Reborn where we literally have a ghost as a gym leader. I think we can set the standard pretty low at this point. This does beg the question on how there are so many trainers who appear to be at the Player's level, all while gym leaders are dying and disappearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 In terms of the actual league, there was nobody publicly announced to be a backup leader since Adrienn followed through until the end. It is possible Ame had somebody who she was going to pick or use just in case it happened, but not likely. She just added that dialogue in to explain the plothole that ICSW brought up. I highly doubt we're ever going to really meet this person since again, it's not a real character...just a plot tool. The only character who team wise uses Fairy types other than Adrienn would be Ame though she tends to like cute Pokemon so...that's mostly just a coincidence. Sadly there just really isn't that much for Fairies since even the Reborn storyline was being worked on before Fairy was a thing. Like even character wise I can't really name a fairy leader unless you want to say one of the cultists is secretly one since nobody really uses fairies on their teams. Sure they might have one, but...that's not enough to even be considered leader material. And PS Gardevoir was actually the Psychic Gym Leader in Season 1 who shared the spot with Radomus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenica Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Going back to Ana, she isnt't shown to have gothitelle anymore In orphanage event In E16, she probably Has diffrent ace now or use diffrent type Edited January 2, 2017 by phoenica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 2, 2017 Author Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Commander said: In terms of the actual league, there was nobody publicly announced to be a backup leader since Adrienn followed through until the end. It is possible Ame had somebody who she was going to pick or use just in case it happened, but not likely. She just added that dialogue in to explain the plothole that ICSW brought up. I highly doubt we're ever going to really meet this person since again, it's not a real character...just a plot tool. The only character who team wise uses Fairy types other than Adrienn would be Ame though she tends to like cute Pokemon so...that's mostly just a coincidence. Sadly there just really isn't that much for Fairies since even the Reborn storyline was being worked on before Fairy was a thing. Like even character wise I can't really name a fairy leader unless you want to say one of the cultists is secretly one since nobody really uses fairies on their teams. Sure they might have one, but...that's not enough to even be considered leader material. And PS Gardevoir was actually the Psychic Gym Leader in Season 1 who shared the spot with Radomus. So it seems that Gardevoir was a serious leader in the online League. The entire premise of my theory was that because Gardevoir gained the fairy typing in Gen VI, which was something that happened after her time at the League, she could be a fairy trainer in-game (as opposed to being a psychic type trainer like in the League). But it seems that the reserve fairy leader was some guy that died during the PULSE attacks in Jasper. So yeah, he is definitely just a plot device and nothing else. But still, considering we got to battle (or will eventually battle) every Leader from the online League there has to be a point in the game where we face off against Gardevoir. And I just can't figure out a situation where this would happen. So having her as the reserve fairy leader would help with that issue. But now I'm starting to think that maybe GG will be the one to give us the Mega Ring and teach us about Mega Evolution. That would make some sense and would give us an excuse to battle her. 4 minutes ago, phoenica said: Going back to Ana, she isnt't shown to have gothitelle anymore In orphanage event In E16, she probably Has diffrent ace nowe oryginalne use diffrent type Ame did mention that she was considering making Nostra Anna's ace. So I'm guessing that this is the reason Gothitelle is gone. Edited January 2, 2017 by Farnsworth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enerotreintiuno Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I thought that the reserve Fairy Gym Leader would be either Zero, Eve or Lumi. Since after the creation of the Pulses they just vanished and fused into one person and joined Team Meteor. Since Tangrowth is the first pulse, that person reserved as a Fairy Leader just vanished/fused after the events of Jasper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarun Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 36 minutes ago, kingjrcasanova said: I thought that the reserve Fairy Gym Leader would be either Zero, Eve or Lumi. Since after the creation of the Pulses they just vanished and fused into one person and joined Team Meteor. Since Tangrowth is the first pulse, that person reserved as a Fairy Leader just vanished/fused after the events of Jasper. Not exactly. The first PULSE machines were for Magnezone and there was also a prototype for Garbodor. Plus, before ZEL was fused, Eve and Lumi lived in Ametrine, not Jasper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enerotreintiuno Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Actually after I read this post from IRL Saphira and Gossip Gardevoir: I think that the reserve Fairy leader is none other than Gossip Gardevoir itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods Ice Cream Sand Witch Posted January 4, 2017 Global Mods Share Posted January 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, kingjrcasanova said: Actually after I read this post from IRL Saphira and Gossip Gardevoir: I think that the reserve Fairy leader is none other than Gossip Gardevoir itself. According to in-game Ame the reserve Fairy leader was a he. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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