CheddarSouffle Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I don't know why, but Rejuvenation's story/plot just seems a lot more enticing than Reborn's. However, I feel that the Gym Battles in Reborn are so much more innovative because they abuse the fields they're on like hell. Many of the fields that you fight the leaders on can easily be used against them (most notably 2nd Keta, Narcissa, Valarie), and they really don't have any answers to them. So I thought I would throw some suggestions together to make these battles a little more memorable (in a "wtf how am I supposed to win" kind of way). This is for Normal Mode, since I don't really want to delve into Easy mode or legendary mons in Gym Battles. Not going to go into EVs/Natures either since I'm not really sure where in the game the Pokemon get EV trained (if at all). Poison Leader: Venam Spoiler ----PUNK GIRL VENAM: CORRUPTED FIELD---- I'm not really sure what field you fight her on, whether it be the old Poison Field or the Corrupted Field from Reborn. But this field gives Venam so many more options. Trubbish L12 @ Oran Berry Ability: Aftermath - Toxic Spikes - Acid Spray - Spikes - Thief Salandit L12 @ Oran Berry Ability: Corrosion - Thief - Ember - Venam's Kiss - Fake Out Grimer-Alola L13 @ Muscle Band Ability: Poison Touch - Shadow Sneak - Payback - Venam's Kiss - Acid Armor Mareanie L13 @ Mystic Water Ability: Merciless - Water Gun - Venoshock - Recover - Venom Drench Whirlipede L14 @ Eviolite Ability: Poison Point - Venom Drench - Struggle Bug - Venam's Kiss - Infestation Seviper L15 @ Telluric Seed Ability: Shed Skin - Venam's Kiss - Payback - Glare - Rock Smash The thing that urked me most about this fight was the fact that you could obtain the TM for Work Up before this fight, set up on Trubbish, and proceed to sweep half her team. Trubbish plays about the same role, with Toxic Spikes and Spikes, but Acid Spray allows it to weaken the player enough for Salandit to do some serious damage. It has Fake Out to do some cheap damage, and then it's ability on this field makes this thing scary strong, so I gave it some weak moves to make up for it. Thief on both these Pokemon lets them take your item after eating their berries. Next, Grimer is really there to just do damage, but can also get very strong with Acid Armor. Mareanie's Merciless comes into play as this Pokemon will be critting your mons every turn due to the field, and can get HP back with Recover, and has Venom Drench you to weaken you. Whirlipede's Eviolite and moves set up for Seviper to come in and absolutely crush your Pokemon. With the Telluric Seed, it can get one free turn with Baneful Bunker and can smash holes in your team with it's decent coverage. Tried to not make this fight too hard, but I'm sure the levels could be adjusted. Fighting Leader: Keta Spoiler ----SENSEI KETA: FOREST FIELD---- Unfortunately, Keta really can't abuse this field as much as I'd like him too, but at least his signature move gives him a boost on this field. Also, he's disgustingly under leveled, even for not being the "real leader", so to say. Really the strategy with him was brawns over brains. Scraggy L23 @ Telluric Seed Ability: Moxie - Gale Strike - Bulk Up - Headbutt - Smack Down Heracross L23 @ King's Rock Ability: Swarm - Bullet Seed - Rock Blast - Gale Strike - Pin Missile Hawlucha L24 @ Wide Lens Ability: Limber - Aerial Ace - Gale Strike - Work Up - Rock Tomb Breloom L24 @ Focus Sash Ability: Effect Spore - Spore - Mach Punch - Rock Tomb - Wake-Up-Slap Medicham L25 @ Muscle Band Ability: Pure Power - Ice Punch - Gale Strike - Confusion - Hidden Power Rock Lucario L26 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Inner Focus - Hidden Power Rock - Metal Claw - Gale Strike - Calm Mind Not really much to say about his entire team, other than I tried to give him as much power as possible without making him broken. Scraggy leads to surprise any Psychic types, and has one free turn so it can Smack Down any birds. Heracross is there to do damage with field boosted Bullet Seed, Swarm Pin Missile, and knock down Flying types with Rock Blast and of course Gale Strike. I opted to give Hawlucha Limber instead of Unburden, as otherwise it would be too fast. Breloom is there to put your mons to sleep and slap them to death, while sporting the ever so annoying Effect Spore. Medicham is just there to be a mixed attacker, and Lucario can shut down the ever so popular Xatu/Swoobat with CM/HP Dark, and then it's STABs. ----REVENANT KETA: CRYSTAL CAVERN---- The Blessed Field does absolutely nothing for Keta. If anything, a Psychic Type can easily just sweep his entire team with the field boost. I don't know if it's a bug in V9, but normal Revenant Keta only has 4 Pokemon. Heracross's job is basically to just turn the Crystal Cavern into a Cave. The Cave Field heavily nerfs that nasty Air Slash from the psychic birds, and gives Keta a way to deal with birds in general. Also, I don't really know why his team changes so dramatically, so I kept his team pretty much the same with tweaks to accommodate for the field change. Heracross L26 @ Focus Sash Ability: Moxie - Bulldoze - Rock Blast - Gale Strike - Pin Missile Scraggy L25 @ Hard Stone Ability: Moxie - Gale Strike - Bulk Up - Smack Down - Headbutt Hawlucha L26 @ Berry Juice Ability: Unburden - Aerial Ace - Gale Strike - Work Up - Rock Tomb Breloom L26 @ Miracle Seed Ability: Technician - Spore - Mach Punch - Rock Tomb - Bullet Seed Medicham L27 @ Muscle Band Ability: Pure Power - Ice Punch - Gale Strike - Round - Hidden Power Rock Lucario L28 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Inner Focus - Hidden Power Rock - Round - Gale Strike - Calm Mind Basically the same. Heracross now has Bulldoze to change Amethyst Cave into a Cave. Changed Scraggy's item to reflect the field. Hawlucha is basically the same. Breloom now has Technician and a more offensive movepool. Medicham now has Round added to it's arsenal in favor of Confusion to get power from the field. Lucario also got Round, and HP Rock to defend against Fire and Flying types. Normal Leader: Marianette Spoiler Honestly, I actually really liked how difficult she was. Her Porygon2 was a pain, and so was her Cincinno and Bewear. I just wanted her team to work with the field, as Pyroar was often a joke and just spammed Snarl even though it got a huge nerf. ----CHILD OF LIGHT MARIANETTE: HOLY FIELD---- Delcatty L31 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Wonder Skin - Cosmic Power - Wish - Charge Beam - Multipulse Cinccino L31 @ King's Rock Ability: Skill Link - Tail Slap - Rock Blast - Bullet Seed - Dazzling Gleam Chatot L31 @ Wise Glasses Ability: Tangled Feet - Chatter - Uproar - Hidden Power Ground - Nasty Plot Porygon2 L32 @ Leftovers Ability: Trace - Psyshock - Shock Wave - Recover - Tri Attack Wigglytuff L32 @ Lum Berry Ability: Competitive - Wish - Dazzling Gleam - Multipulse - Thunder Wave Bewear L33 @ Muscle Band Ability: Fluffy - Bulldoze - Brutal Swing - Multipulse - Brick Break This Marianette makes use of more buffs in the Holy Field. Delcatty is up first to just set up with Cosmic Power and Charge Beam, then Multipulse to hit like a truck. Cincinno looks about the same, but now instead of U-Turn has Dazzling Gleam to deal with the annoying Fighting types, and gets a big boost from the field. Chatot is there to set up and tear through Pokemon with Uproar. Porygon2 looks the same. Wigglytuff is there to shut down Fighting Types and be annoying with Thunder Wave. Finally, Bewear and it's disgusting coverage is there to clean up. Rejuvenation is a really enjoyable game. Like it's nearly flawless. Like amazingly flawless. But, the Gym Battles could be molded more towards the field, instead of Narcissa just Ghostly Wailing every to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhandrake Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, TheWaddleDee said: I don't know why, but Rejuvenation's story/plot just seems a lot more enticing than Reborn's. However, I feel that the Gym Battles in Reborn are so much more innovative because they abuse the fields they're on like hell. Many of the fields that you fight the leaders on can easily be used against them (most notably 2nd Keta, Narcissa, Valarie), and they really don't have any answers to them. So I thought I would throw some suggestions together to make these battles a little more memorable (in a "wtf how am I supposed to win" kind of way). This is for Normal Mode, since I don't really want to delve into Easy mode or legendary mons in Gym Battles. Not going to go into EVs/Natures either since I'm not really sure where in the game the Pokemon get EV trained (if at all). Poison Leader: Venam Reveal hidden contents ----PUNK GIRL VENAM: CORRUPTED FIELD---- I'm not really sure what field you fight her on, whether it be the old Poison Field or the Corrupted Field from Reborn. But this field gives Venam so many more options. Trubbish L12 @ Oran Berry Ability: Aftermath - Toxic Spikes - Acid Spray - Spikes - Thief Salandit L12 @ Oran Berry Ability: Corrosion - Thief - Ember - Venam's Kiss - Fake Out Grimer-Alola L13 @ Muscle Band Ability: Poison Touch - Shadow Sneak - Payback - Venam's Kiss - Acid Armor Mareanie L13 @ Mystic Water Ability: Merciless - Water Gun - Venoshock - Recover - Venom Drench Whirlipede L14 @ Eviolite Ability: Poison Point - Venom Drench - Struggle Bug - Venam's Kiss - Infestation Seviper L15 @ Telluric Seed Ability: Shed Skin - Venam's Kiss - Payback - Glare - Rock Smash The thing that urked me most about this fight was the fact that you could obtain the TM for Work Up before this fight, set up on Trubbish, and proceed to sweep half her team. Trubbish plays about the same role, with Toxic Spikes and Spikes, but Acid Spray allows it to weaken the player enough for Salandit to do some serious damage. It has Fake Out to do some cheap damage, and then it's ability on this field makes this thing scary strong, so I gave it some weak moves to make up for it. Thief on both these Pokemon lets them take your item after eating their berries. Next, Grimer is really there to just do damage, but can also get very strong with Acid Armor. Mareanie's Merciless comes into play as this Pokemon will be critting your mons every turn due to the field, and can get HP back with Recover, and has Venom Drench you to weaken you. Whirlipede's Eviolite and moves set up for Seviper to come in and absolutely crush your Pokemon. With the Telluric Seed, it can get one free turn with Baneful Bunker and can smash holes in your team with it's decent coverage. Tried to not make this fight too hard, but I'm sure the levels could be adjusted. Fighting Leader: Keta Reveal hidden contents ----SENSEI KETA: FOREST FIELD---- Unfortunately, Keta really can't abuse this field as much as I'd like him too, but at least his signature move gives him a boost on this field. Also, he's disgustingly under leveled, even for not being the "real leader", so to say. Really the strategy with him was brawns over brains. Scraggy L23 @ Telluric Seed Ability: Moxie - Gale Strike - Bulk Up - Headbutt - Smack Down Heracross L23 @ King's Rock Ability: Swarm - Bullet Seed - Rock Blast - Gale Strike - Pin Missile Hawlucha L24 @ Wide Lens Ability: Limber - Aerial Ace - Gale Strike - Work Up - Rock Tomb Breloom L24 @ Focus Sash Ability: Effect Spore - Spore - Mach Punch - Rock Tomb - Wake-Up-Slap Medicham L25 @ Muscle Band Ability: Pure Power - Ice Punch - Gale Strike - Confusion - Hidden Power Rock Lucario L26 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Inner Focus - Hidden Power Rock - Metal Claw - Gale Strike - Calm Mind Not really much to say about his entire team, other than I tried to give him as much power as possible without making him broken. Scraggy leads to surprise any Psychic types, and has one free turn so it can Smack Down any birds. Heracross is there to do damage with field boosted Bullet Seed, Swarm Pin Missile, and knock down Flying types with Rock Blast and of course Gale Strike. I opted to give Hawlucha Limber instead of Unburden, as otherwise it would be too fast. Breloom is there to put your mons to sleep and slap them to death, while sporting the ever so annoying Effect Spore. Medicham is just there to be a mixed attacker, and Lucario can shut down the ever so popular Xatu/Swoobat with CM/HP Dark, and then it's STABs. ----REVENANT KETA: CRYSTAL CAVERN---- The Blessed Field does absolutely nothing for Keta. If anything, a Psychic Type can easily just sweep his entire team with the field boost. I don't know if it's a bug in V9, but normal Revenant Keta only has 4 Pokemon. Heracross's job is basically to just turn the Crystal Cavern into a Cave. The Cave Field heavily nerfs that nasty Air Slash from the psychic birds, and gives Keta a way to deal with birds in general. Also, I don't really know why his team changes so dramatically, so I kept his team pretty much the same with tweaks to accommodate for the field change. Heracross L26 @ Focus Sash Ability: Moxie - Bulldoze - Rock Blast - Gale Strike - Pin Missile Scraggy L25 @ Hard Stone Ability: Moxie - Gale Strike - Bulk Up - Smack Down - Headbutt Hawlucha L26 @ Berry Juice Ability: Unburden - Aerial Ace - Gale Strike - Work Up - Rock Tomb Breloom L26 @ Miracle Seed Ability: Technician - Spore - Mach Punch - Rock Tomb - Bullet Seed Medicham L27 @ Muscle Band Ability: Pure Power - Ice Punch - Gale Strike - Round - Hidden Power Rock Lucario L28 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Inner Focus - Hidden Power Rock - Round - Gale Strike - Calm Mind Basically the same. Heracross now has Bulldoze to change Amethyst Cave into a Cave. Changed Scraggy's item to reflect the field. Hawlucha is basically the same. Breloom now has Technician and a more offensive movepool. Medicham now has Round added to it's arsenal in favor of Confusion to get power from the field. Lucario also got Round, and HP Rock to defend against Fire and Flying types. Normal Leader: Marianette Reveal hidden contents Honestly, I actually really liked how difficult she was. Her Porygon2 was a pain, and so was her Cincinno and Bewear. I just wanted her team to work with the field, as Pyroar was often a joke and just spammed Snarl even though it got a huge nerf. ----CHILD OF LIGHT MARIANETTE: HOLY FIELD---- Delcatty L31 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Wonder Skin - Cosmic Power - Wish - Charge Beam - Multipulse Cinccino L31 @ King's Rock Ability: Skill Link - Tail Slap - Rock Blast - Bullet Seed - Dazzling Gleam Chatot L31 @ Wise Glasses Ability: Tangled Feet - Chatter - Uproar - Hidden Power Ground - Nasty Plot Porygon2 L32 @ Leftovers Ability: Trace - Psyshock - Shock Wave - Recover - Tri Attack Wigglytuff L32 @ Lum Berry Ability: Competitive - Wish - Dazzling Gleam - Multipulse - Thunder Wave Bewear L33 @ Muscle Band Ability: Fluffy - Bulldoze - Brutal Swing - Multipulse - Brick Break This Marianette makes use of more buffs in the Holy Field. Delcatty is up first to just set up with Cosmic Power and Charge Beam, then Multipulse to hit like a truck. Cincinno looks about the same, but now instead of U-Turn has Dazzling Gleam to deal with the annoying Fighting types, and gets a big boost from the field. Chatot is there to set up and tear through Pokemon with Uproar. Porygon2 looks the same. Wigglytuff is there to shut down Fighting Types and be annoying with Thunder Wave. Finally, Bewear and it's disgusting coverage is there to clean up. Rejuvenation is a really enjoyable game. Like it's nearly flawless. Like amazingly flawless. But, the Gym Battles could be molded more towards the field, instead of Narcissa just Ghostly Wailing every to death. Personally, i disagree, even tho Rejuvenation has more plot twists and some details better than Reborn, is still very raw and fails alot when it comes to delivery or commitment to character's personalities... Yet again, it's just my opinion. 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Ocho Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 hour ago, TheWaddleDee said: I don't know why, but Rejuvenation's story/plot just seems a lot more enticing than Reborn's. However, I feel that the Gym Battles in Reborn are so much more innovative because they abuse the fields they're on like hell. Many of the fields that you fight the leaders on can easily be used against them (most notably 2nd Keta, Narcissa, Valarie), and they really don't have any answers to them. So I thought I would throw some suggestions together to make these battles a little more memorable (in a "wtf how am I supposed to win" kind of way). This is for Normal Mode, since I don't really want to delve into Easy mode or legendary mons in Gym Battles. Not going to go into EVs/Natures either since I'm not really sure where in the game the Pokemon get EV trained (if at all). Poison Leader: Venam Hide contents ----PUNK GIRL VENAM: CORRUPTED FIELD---- I'm not really sure what field you fight her on, whether it be the old Poison Field or the Corrupted Field from Reborn. But this field gives Venam so many more options. Trubbish L12 @ Oran Berry Ability: Aftermath - Toxic Spikes - Acid Spray - Spikes - Thief Salandit L12 @ Oran Berry Ability: Corrosion - Thief - Ember - Venam's Kiss - Fake Out Grimer-Alola L13 @ Muscle Band Ability: Poison Touch - Shadow Sneak - Payback - Venam's Kiss - Acid Armor Mareanie L13 @ Mystic Water Ability: Merciless - Water Gun - Venoshock - Recover - Venom Drench Whirlipede L14 @ Eviolite Ability: Poison Point - Venom Drench - Struggle Bug - Venam's Kiss - Infestation Seviper L15 @ Telluric Seed Ability: Shed Skin - Venam's Kiss - Payback - Glare - Rock Smash The thing that urked me most about this fight was the fact that you could obtain the TM for Work Up before this fight, set up on Trubbish, and proceed to sweep half her team. Trubbish plays about the same role, with Toxic Spikes and Spikes, but Acid Spray allows it to weaken the player enough for Salandit to do some serious damage. It has Fake Out to do some cheap damage, and then it's ability on this field makes this thing scary strong, so I gave it some weak moves to make up for it. Thief on both these Pokemon lets them take your item after eating their berries. Next, Grimer is really there to just do damage, but can also get very strong with Acid Armor. Mareanie's Merciless comes into play as this Pokemon will be critting your mons every turn due to the field, and can get HP back with Recover, and has Venom Drench you to weaken you. Whirlipede's Eviolite and moves set up for Seviper to come in and absolutely crush your Pokemon. With the Telluric Seed, it can get one free turn with Baneful Bunker and can smash holes in your team with it's decent coverage. Tried to not make this fight too hard, but I'm sure the levels could be adjusted. Fighting Leader: Keta Reveal hidden contents ----SENSEI KETA: FOREST FIELD---- Unfortunately, Keta really can't abuse this field as much as I'd like him too, but at least his signature move gives him a boost on this field. Also, he's disgustingly under leveled, even for not being the "real leader", so to say. Really the strategy with him was brawns over brains. Scraggy L23 @ Telluric Seed Ability: Moxie - Gale Strike - Bulk Up - Headbutt - Smack Down Heracross L23 @ King's Rock Ability: Swarm - Bullet Seed - Rock Blast - Gale Strike - Pin Missile Hawlucha L24 @ Wide Lens Ability: Limber - Aerial Ace - Gale Strike - Work Up - Rock Tomb Breloom L24 @ Focus Sash Ability: Effect Spore - Spore - Mach Punch - Rock Tomb - Wake-Up-Slap Medicham L25 @ Muscle Band Ability: Pure Power - Ice Punch - Gale Strike - Confusion - Hidden Power Rock Lucario L26 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Inner Focus - Hidden Power Rock - Metal Claw - Gale Strike - Calm Mind Not really much to say about his entire team, other than I tried to give him as much power as possible without making him broken. Scraggy leads to surprise any Psychic types, and has one free turn so it can Smack Down any birds. Heracross is there to do damage with field boosted Bullet Seed, Swarm Pin Missile, and knock down Flying types with Rock Blast and of course Gale Strike. I opted to give Hawlucha Limber instead of Unburden, as otherwise it would be too fast. Breloom is there to put your mons to sleep and slap them to death, while sporting the ever so annoying Effect Spore. Medicham is just there to be a mixed attacker, and Lucario can shut down the ever so popular Xatu/Swoobat with CM/HP Dark, and then it's STABs. ----REVENANT KETA: CRYSTAL CAVERN---- The Blessed Field does absolutely nothing for Keta. If anything, a Psychic Type can easily just sweep his entire team with the field boost. I don't know if it's a bug in V9, but normal Revenant Keta only has 4 Pokemon. Heracross's job is basically to just turn the Crystal Cavern into a Cave. The Cave Field heavily nerfs that nasty Air Slash from the psychic birds, and gives Keta a way to deal with birds in general. Also, I don't really know why his team changes so dramatically, so I kept his team pretty much the same with tweaks to accommodate for the field change. Heracross L26 @ Focus Sash Ability: Moxie - Bulldoze - Rock Blast - Gale Strike - Pin Missile Scraggy L25 @ Hard Stone Ability: Moxie - Gale Strike - Bulk Up - Smack Down - Headbutt Hawlucha L26 @ Berry Juice Ability: Unburden - Aerial Ace - Gale Strike - Work Up - Rock Tomb Breloom L26 @ Miracle Seed Ability: Technician - Spore - Mach Punch - Rock Tomb - Bullet Seed Medicham L27 @ Muscle Band Ability: Pure Power - Ice Punch - Gale Strike - Round - Hidden Power Rock Lucario L28 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Inner Focus - Hidden Power Rock - Round - Gale Strike - Calm Mind Basically the same. Heracross now has Bulldoze to change Amethyst Cave into a Cave. Changed Scraggy's item to reflect the field. Hawlucha is basically the same. Breloom now has Technician and a more offensive movepool. Medicham now has Round added to it's arsenal in favor of Confusion to get power from the field. Lucario also got Round, and HP Rock to defend against Fire and Flying types. Normal Leader: Marianette Hide contents Honestly, I actually really liked how difficult she was. Her Porygon2 was a pain, and so was her Cincinno and Bewear. I just wanted her team to work with the field, as Pyroar was often a joke and just spammed Snarl even though it got a huge nerf. ----CHILD OF LIGHT MARIANETTE: HOLY FIELD---- Delcatty L31 @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Wonder Skin - Cosmic Power - Wish - Charge Beam - Multipulse Cinccino L31 @ King's Rock Ability: Skill Link - Tail Slap - Rock Blast - Bullet Seed - Dazzling Gleam Chatot L31 @ Wise Glasses Ability: Tangled Feet - Chatter - Uproar - Hidden Power Ground - Nasty Plot Porygon2 L32 @ Leftovers Ability: Trace - Psyshock - Shock Wave - Recover - Tri Attack Wigglytuff L32 @ Lum Berry Ability: Competitive - Wish - Dazzling Gleam - Multipulse - Thunder Wave Bewear L33 @ Muscle Band Ability: Fluffy - Bulldoze - Brutal Swing - Multipulse - Brick Break This Marianette makes use of more buffs in the Holy Field. Delcatty is up first to just set up with Cosmic Power and Charge Beam, then Multipulse to hit like a truck. Cincinno looks about the same, but now instead of U-Turn has Dazzling Gleam to deal with the annoying Fighting types, and gets a big boost from the field. Chatot is there to set up and tear through Pokemon with Uproar. Porygon2 looks the same. Wigglytuff is there to shut down Fighting Types and be annoying with Thunder Wave. Finally, Bewear and it's disgusting coverage is there to clean up. Rejuvenation is a really enjoyable game. Like it's nearly flawless. Like amazingly flawless. But, the Gym Battles could be molded more towards the field, instead of Narcissa just Ghostly Wailing every to death. Just a few thing: Porygon2 should be holding "eviolite" to make thins a bit harder, and yes, while delcatty is a good option, is just not that good. Is better to stay with her Heliolisk IMO. Great analisis you made there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAlert Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 2 hours ago, TheWaddleDee said: The thing that urked me most about this fight was the fact that you could obtain the TM for Work Up before this fight, set up on Trubbish, and proceed to sweep half her team. Trubbish plays about the same role, with Toxic Spikes and Spikes, but Acid Spray allows it to weaken the player enough for Salandit to do some serious damage. It has Fake Out to do some cheap damage, and then it's ability on this field makes this thing scary strong, so I gave it some weak moves to make up for it. Thief on both these Pokemon lets them take your item after eating their berries. You could say the same about Skrelp on Corey's gym in Reborn. The thing's so weak, I set up 4 growths on Roselia and swept her entire team except for Crobat, thanks to it outspeeding. Skrelp doesn't even know Acid Spray, which makes it so much easier to set up and sweep against it. I completely disagree with your first statement about Reborn/Rejuvenation though, Reborn's plot makes me want more, more, more while Rejuvenation kinda goes on the "meh" side. It's probably because of the multitude of characters in Rejuv, and it ended up with me not caring for any of their motivations. I couldn't even get myself to play on after Eric's badge, it got seriously boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomek Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I like Rejuvenation much better than Reborn :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 2 hours ago, TheWaddleDee said: Rejuvenation is a really enjoyable game. Like it's nearly flawless. Like amazingly flawless. Sorry to unintentionally advertise my own run, but uhhh...if the game was so flawless, what have I spent the last I don't know 12 logs posting? But uhh we're not here to talk about Rejuv's faults in story (or Reborn's) but uhh as someone with writing experience for a long while, Reborn's story is much better WRITTEN and DESIGNED than Rejuv's. That isn't an opinion, but a fact as it stands right now. Of course this is also like comparing FF7 to Xenogears so let's not get too into it. As for battles, I can at least tell you the problem with Reborn's battles. They rely too much on their gimmicks to win or do strategy. While it is a very unique concept to use field effects and all their crazy, if not ingenious, designs, but that's not everything that goes into a battle. That just my thoughts, but Rejuv is a whole different kind of mess. But if you guys really want team ideas or how to team design I suppose I can at least give you how I'd revamp Venam: Venam Required Pokemon: Seviper, "Whirlpede", Trubbish Trubbish Item: Eviolite -Stockpile -Toxic Spikes -Acid Spray -Giga Drain Roselia (Guns 'n Roses reference) Item: Miracle Seed -Sleep Powder -Growth -Poison Jab -Petal Blizzard Qwilfish Item: Black Sludge -Toxic Spikes -Spikes -Brine -Venam's Kiss Zubat Item: Muscle Band -Leech Life -Bite -Wing Attack -Poison Fang Whirlpede (Rock 'N Roll Strat) Item: Eviolite -Defense Curl -Rollout -Bug Bite -Baton Pass/Protect Seviper Item: Lum Berry Ability: Shed Skin -Bite -Glare -Venam's Kiss -Rest Now before y'all say, "Woobat can easily set up on this team" that's kind of the point. There's an easy way out, but beyond that, this team is meant to test a players skill and if they rely on one single Pokemon, they may end up costing the game with a Batton Pass Speed boost possibly onto seviper. Jan kind of forced Venam to have Trubbish and Seviper, but Venpide is kind of a shove in due to the whole gym thing, but uhh...I'd rather give her a beedrill. Those things are scary if designed well. NOT mega Beedrill but just Beedrill. On a different note, I'm really disappointed in the designs for the Keta fight you made. You literally just slapped him with what's considered some of the best fighting types (Hawlucha is literally a staple for high level fighting monos in team design) and called it a day. The Hitmons, Sawk and Throh, Gallade, and Hariyama all thrive here with the ability to easily adjust their difficulty. Poliwrath is also another interesting choice if you don't have ideas. And heck, Crabominable is a thing. Yes, I would use Crabominable on Keta's team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemICE Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) I don't know about normal, both my runs are on Intense difficulty, and i can say that the major fights were very easy this time around, with only Angie needing some more attempts than normal because she relies on evasion hax .... Then again im someone who has a roster of over 12 mons so i may or may not be the best example for measuring difficulty Edited July 11, 2017 by DemICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fumble Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 i actually really like this idea, but i do feel like these teams could get a bit of a touch up, though im not that great of a teambuilder so for venam i honestly don't like the idea of having salandit when its only special attack is ember (especially because trubbish's job was to acid spray). salandit's attack is already really bad anyway, so... venoshock > venam's kiss, though that might make it a bit too broken? idk. whirlipede should probably speed boost + baton pass rather than totally being offensive imo, though i have no idea if the AI is smart enough to actually do that bite > payback on seviper, especially bc glare will probably let you outspeed most things the player could have actually huh maybe you could put a grass/poison type on her team since powder moves have 100% accuracy and grass knot gets boosted on the corrupted field? nice to deal with ground types, and i think almost all of them learn some kind of set up move (growth or work up?) for keta uhhhh yeah agree with commander here. i feel like there really wasn't much creativity going on? there's a lot of other fighting types to choose from (like the aforementioned hariyama and poliwrath). crabominable is a pretty neato idea i would probably never have come up with, kudos to commander. heracross/breloom are pretty nifty on the forest field though, but don't they sorta have similar typed moves (grass/fighting/rock)? but honestly im not sure how to build a team on the blessed field for him, since i agree that the pokemon on the two teams should be the same :/ for marianette i actually appreciate her normal difficulty, but i accidentally cheesed the fight by using curse, changing the field to a haunted one. so i def like her having dazzling gleam, even if it just was for the fighting types, since that changes her field back to normal (though the field effects guide doesn't state it; i discovered it when i just used dazzling gleam against narcissa's haunted field and it changed to a blessed one) i know you chose delcatty because of cosmic power, but delcatty honestly isn't a very good pokemon. it'll probably die before it can even set up, unfortunately. imo change it back to heliolisk? or drampa, with its dragon moves? or girafarig? honestly idk anw look forward to your next ones! especially valarie bc that fight is pretty easy to sweep once lanturn goes down, if you have an electric type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarSouffle Posted July 11, 2017 Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 11 hours ago, Commander said: Sorry to unintentionally advertise my own run, but uhhh...if the game was so flawless, what have I spent the last I don't know 12 logs posting? But uhh we're not here to talk about Rejuv's faults in story (or Reborn's) but uhh as someone with writing experience for a long while, Reborn's story is much better WRITTEN and DESIGNED than Rejuv's. That isn't an opinion, but a fact as it stands right now. Of course this is also like comparing FF7 to Xenogears so let's not get too into it. As for battles, I can at least tell you the problem with Reborn's battles. They rely too much on their gimmicks to win or do strategy. While it is a very unique concept to use field effects and all their crazy, if not ingenious, designs, but that's not everything that goes into a battle. That just my thoughts, but Rejuv is a whole different kind of mess. But if you guys really want team ideas or how to team design I suppose I can at least give you how I'd revamp Venam: Hide contents Venam Required Pokemon: Seviper, "Whirlpede", Trubbish Trubbish Item: Eviolite -Stockpile -Toxic Spikes -Acid Spray -Giga Drain Roselia (Guns 'n Roses reference) Item: Miracle Seed -Sleep Powder -Growth -Poison Jab -Petal Blizzard Qwilfish Item: Black Sludge -Toxic Spikes -Spikes -Brine -Venam's Kiss Zubat Item: Muscle Band -Leech Life -Bite -Wing Attack -Poison Fang Whirlpede (Rock 'N Roll Strat) Item: Eviolite -Defense Curl -Rollout -Bug Bite -Baton Pass/Protect Seviper Item: Lum Berry Ability: Shed Skin -Bite -Glare -Venam's Kiss -Rest Now before y'all say, "Woobat can easily set up on this team" that's kind of the point. There's an easy way out, but beyond that, this team is meant to test a players skill and if they rely on one single Pokemon, they may end up costing the game with a Batton Pass Speed boost possibly onto seviper. Jan kind of forced Venam to have Trubbish and Seviper, but Venpide is kind of a shove in due to the whole gym thing, but uhh...I'd rather give her a beedrill. Those things are scary if designed well. NOT mega Beedrill but just Beedrill. On a different note, I'm really disappointed in the designs for the Keta fight you made. You literally just slapped him with what's considered some of the best fighting types (Hawlucha is literally a staple for high level fighting monos in team design) and called it a day. The Hitmons, Sawk and Throh, Gallade, and Hariyama all thrive here with the ability to easily adjust their difficulty. Poliwrath is also another interesting choice if you don't have ideas. And heck, Crabominable is a thing. Yes, I would use Crabominable on Keta's team. Honestly, I feel like the gimmicks are actually really more interesting than just raw power. I mean, that's really what I loved about all of Reborn's gym battles bar a few (like old Charlotte where none of my mons could survive an Eruption from Typhlosion). I guess I'll try to explain what I did with Keta. Lucario, Medicham, and Hawlucha were all on his team originally, and I kept their movesets pretty similar (I think.) Scraggy is there to deal with the Xatus and Swoobats that can easily sweep him, and Heracross as well as Breloom are really just there to abuse the field. I can see where your criticisms come from, I just really focused on the gimmicks, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan20000 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I feel like the best approach for this would be for the gym leaders to play more to their fields' gimmicks and have the encounters with the villainous team admins take a more traditional teambuilding approach to their rosters. That way you have a mix of both, with the gym leaders sort of serving as soft-puzzle bosses. There'd be a variety of ways you can beat them, but there'd always be a couple easy outs (such as Swoobat vs Commander's draft of Venam). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 tfw giving marianette king's rock cinccino when she used to have it and it was removed because of complaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 On 7/11/2017 at 2:39 PM, TheWaddleDee said: Honestly, I feel like the gimmicks are actually really more interesting than just raw power. I mean, that's really what I loved about all of Reborn's gym battles bar a few (like old Charlotte where none of my mons could survive an Eruption from Typhlosion). The most gimmicky fight I designed had absolutely nothing to do with a field even so saying you like gimmicks over raw power when you design teams to fight...with raw power is a little...contradictory. Field effects in a nutshell let a certain type hit harder and take less damage. And I mean the hardest fights in Reborn and the ones people remember are the fights where fields work with the Pokemon instead of teams designed for that field. Reg Reborn's Corey, HC Julia, and Charlotte. Florinia is the best example of a team designed to for that specific field and her only really good Pokemon is Maractus due to that. In other words, use the gimmick, but don't rely on it. As for Keta, I uhh...don't know how the forest field works (I assume the same as in Reg Reborn) so I guess I'd do something like this: Throh -Gale Strike -Bulldoze -Rock Slide -Payback Passimian -Fling -Gale Strike -Smack Down -U-turn Croagunk -Poison Jab -Sucker Punch -Revenge -Bullet Punch Hariyama (Z-move user) -Belly Drum -Bullet Punch -Brick Break -Knock Off Combusken -Cut -Overheat -Aerial Ace -Double Kick Lucario (could make Hawlucha tbh) -Metal Claw/Bone Club -Grass Knot -Gale Strike -Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball Yeah, yeah I know I removed Medicham and Hawlucha, but quite honestly, Hawlucha is one of the most threatening fighting types to choose from and Medicham is not really a pushover mon either. Not great, but certainly not bad. Of course in Intense he has a bloody Mienshao to boot. This team is kind of designed to match Keta's power from before except not using stereotypical Pokemon. Cut on Combusken is probably one the scariest moves as it covers two of its weaknesses. He's the second gym leader and this is kind of a mid-boss so I wouldn't want to make him too difficult. That's all the sample team leader designs I'm willing to do right now as I haven't seen the adjusted new teams for gen vii. I do know Revenant Keta got nerfed hard which saddens me. I'd have to think how to approach that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan20000 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Wait, the second Keta fight was overnerfed? That explains a lot. My first experience with Rejuv was with V9 Extreme, and that fight felt extremely underwhelming (Only 4 mons?!) compared to everything that had come prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibbles Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I can see why some people might not like the field gimmicks. It's one thing to have a field effect boost type power, it's another thing to have them change the type coverage charts. With that said though, I definitely think the first 2-3 gym leaders were by far the hardest. Imo if any gym leader needs buffs, it's the latter ones. I accidentally beat the lastest gym fight even while 7-8 lvs under. It's not so much the gym leader pkmn being weak, it's more that in late game, player team comps finally get fleshed out which is a way bigger deal imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargerth Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Normal mode doesn't count. Intense is where it's at, although Intense mode certainly has it's own bs like Shaymin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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