The Dual Prophecies

[ShadeStrider]

Passage 1:

With death there is also life

With life there is also death

 

On the Darkest Day, on the Darkest Night, Tragedy shall befall the Earth.

 

All those caught in the Lord's Shadow, shall be drained and destroyed.

 

The World can be brought to peace again

with Four Lights not born of Man

 

They shall preserve and save the land

and break down the establishment to single layers of sand

 

Light shall once again be restored to the world.

Prosperity and Peace shall mesh in one giant swirl.

 

And the light shall be guided by a new light, 

the strongest of the four lights.

 

To rid this world of everlasting evil and blight.

 

 

Passage 2:

With life there is also death

With death there also light

 

On the Darkest Day of humanity, the world shall shake; houses will burn, people will be killed.

 

The Land shall shift, and innocent beings shall fall between the crevices.

 

Four darknesses born from man shall reign supreme and create a world in their own likeness.

 

The balance of Life and Death shall be shattered.

The balance between Light and Dark shall tip.

 

Snuffed out and destroyed forever. A world Born out of hatred, evil, jealousy, and prejudice.

 

Disaster shall be the only known hope in creation of yet another World.

 

 

 

What do you make of these?

[FairFamily]

I think for now the light prophecy is more informative.

 

Well Madame's X Yveltal if I recall correctly holds the soulstone.

Which combined with it's nature/dex entry makes it the most likely candidate for the lord's shadow.

 

Well the four lights not of man are people who are not born by humans .

Melia is probably one of thel as is the MC.  The mother of the MC is a doll after all.

 

Breaking down the establishment however can mean many things: is it on a political level and remove cassandra from office,

is it religious and do we remove Arceus and/or his cult OR do we break the world order and remove Tiempa and Spatia from the picture?

 

The strongest of light however can mean battle prowess and therefore the MC

but I doubt it after all the MC does not lead in this story. So it's probably Melia. 

 

and that's the end of the light propheecy.

 

For the dark prophecy 

 

Well the four darknesses are people with human parents like Ren.

Given their are four people and four emotions it is logically to assume that each person embodies said emotion. 

 

If they succeed the world is doomed.

 

And that is all I could find in the dark prophecy.

Both prophecies seem to indicate a clash between good and evil, light and dark, blah blah we all know the drill.

 

However the puppet master has a prophecy of his own:

 

Eight souls shine like gold ...

 

To create a grim future they must behold.

 

One soul of the eight shall slice down their destiny in two, creating a new path.

 

A path that already has been decided.

 

A future I've only seen once before.

 

A path that will lead the world in a new era of destruction.

 

Now this is the interesting prophecy because it seems to be the origin of these dual prophecies.

So my interpretation on this is:

So there are 8 special souls (4+4 = 8). These souls all shine brightly (light perhaps?). However they are powerless to do any good after all they must behold.

One of these souls however was strong enough to slice their destiny (is this the strongest light?) in two, creating the dual prophecies. These split destinies create a new path full of conflict  (light and dark) and following destruction.

 

Edited July 28, 2017 by FairFamily

[Filthy Casual]

Here's the thing with the light prophecy: there are four characters that possibly have no souls we know of: ourselves, Melia (because of the sacrifice), Yancy, and Nim (as she was resurrected by Crescent and is now someone else). As for the people of darkness, I have an idea...

 

The traitor is definitely Ren. He's an idiot for it, but he's clearly the traitor.

There is also supposed to be a figure of obsession. That's either going to be Kanon (because he won't stop staring at Melia) or Huey (because he will grieve too much about Lavender and make a deal with Madame X to bring her back). I still think Kanon's going to be involved in the prophecy somehow, because there's no way Madame X would save him without any ulterior motives.

 

[ShadeStrider]

I also found this in Blacksteeple:

 

The Shadows that shade the earth shall be known in the end.

 

The One of Raw Evil, the One of Obsession, The one of betrayal, and the one of Greed.

 

These Four shall see the world be lost forever.

 

 

These are the traits we are looking for.

 

Just now, FactoryofSadness said:

Here's the thing with the light prophecy: there are four characters that possibly have no souls we know of: ourselves, Melia (because of the sacrifice), Yancy, and Nim (as she was resurrected by Crescent and is now someone else). As for the people of darkness, I have an idea...

 

The traitor is definitely Ren. He's an idiot for it, but he's clearly the traitor.

There is also supposed to be a figure of obsession. That's either going to be Kanon (because he won't stop staring at Melia) or Huey (because he will grieve too much about Lavender and make a deal with Madame X to bring her back). I still think Kanon's going to be involved in the prophecy somehow, because there's no way Madame X would save him without any ulterior motives.

 

 

But who is the one of Pure Evil? Or the one of Greed?

[Filthy Casual]

9 minutes ago, ShadeStrider said:

But who is the one of Pure Evil? Or the one of Greed?

My guess? Kanon is greed, Huey is obsession (because he's otherwise pointless), and Indriad's pure evil. I think Kanon may be greed because he will get really strong from the Dragon trials, letting that power corrupt him. Huey gets obsessed over Lavender, and it's possible Indriad hypnotized Anju over religion. It also doesn't help that in that apartment in the past, it's "that old fool" who ruins the world, particularly at the town next to Indriad's old house (although that last sentence is me just reaching).

[seki108]

44 minutes ago, FactoryofSadness said:

Huey

Did I miss something in the story (like some secret cutscene), because I don't remember this character at all (unless he was the guy hinted to be the old Ice Leader), much less anyone named Lavender?  I know I probably forgot a few points, but forgetting a character that may be part of the overarching prophecy is pretty big.

[FairFamily]

Just now, seki108 said:

Did I miss something in the story (like some secret cutscene), because I don't remember this character at all (unless he was the guy hinted to be the old Ice Leader), much less anyone named Lavender?  I know I probably forgot a few points, but forgetting a character that may be part of the overarching prophecy is pretty big.

Huey is the one in GDC with the flareon and Lavender is the psychic gym leader.

[seki108]

2 minutes ago, FairFamily said:

Huey is the one in GDC with the flareon and Lavender is the psychic gym leader.

You can tell they made a big impression on me, considering I completely forgot about them two weeks after finishing V9 story.................

 

@FairFamily  PS.  Thank you very much for the reminder!

Edited July 28, 2017 by seki108

[Filthy Casual]

8 minutes ago, seki108 said:

You can tell they made a big impression on me, considering I completely forgot about them two weeks after finishing V9 story.................

Don't blame you for forgetting. Still, they seem to make a bit more sense than Rhodea...

[FairFamily]

Ouch. Cold Seki.

 

Well back to the prophecies. I think Ren is betrayal, Angi pure evil, Indrad obsession and Kanon is most likely greed. 

 

56 minutes ago, FactoryofSadness said:

Here's the thing with the light prophecy: there are four characters that possibly have no souls we know of: ourselves, Melia (because of the sacrifice), Yancy, and Nim (as she was resurrected by Crescent and is now someone else). As for the people of darkness, I have an idea...

 

 How does Melia have no soul? Isn't reincarnation the ultilmate proof of having a soul? Also I doubt that because Nim and the MC are saved by Crescent have no soul. Also the people in the prophecy have to be "not born of man" which means they don't have to be soulless. If (one of) their parents are not human they could perfectly be "not born of man".

[Filthy Casual]

24 minutes ago, FairFamily said:

How does Melia have no soul? Isn't reincarnation the ultilmate proof of having a soul?

She was reincarnated? When was that brought up? I think I missed a big plot point if that's the case.

[FairFamily]

35 minutes ago, FactoryofSadness said:

She was reincarnated? When was that brought up? I think I missed a big plot point if that's the case.

Melia flashes between herself and Maria (sacrificed girl at the start) when 'sacrificed' in Angi's ritual a,d says she experienced this before. So basically she is the sacrificed soul of Maria in a new body (which  is basically reincarnation).

Edited July 28, 2017 by FairFamily

[Filthy Casual]

Just now, FairFamily said:

Melia flashes between herself and Maria when 'sacrificed' in Angi's ritual? So is she is the sacrificed soul of Maria in a new body (which  is basically reincarnation).

I kind of assumed that was a creative nod of the creator saying "Look! Melia's Maria!" That actually does make sense, though.

[Cataline]

9 minutes ago, FairFamily said:

Melia flashes between herself and Maria when 'sacrificed' in Angi's ritual? So is she is the sacrificed soul of Maria in a new body (which  is basically reincarnation).

Hmmm... but then what would you say for the occurrences in the mansion? Where Marianette realizes she is Maria and she takes control of the situation in the very end?

in one place she is sacrificed. While another she fights back.

just curious about theories. 

Edited July 28, 2017 by Cataline

[FairFamily]

4 minutes ago, Cataline said:

Hmmm... but then what would you say for the occurrences in the mansion? Where Marianette realizes she is Maria and she takes control of the situation in the very end?

in one place she is sacrificed. While another she fights back.

just curious about theories. 

Well assuming the puppet master speaks of the dual prophecies which is something I believe, we know one of the eight soul has the power to change fate.

 

So what if pull the history repeats itelf a bit more litterally and some events are bound to happen again and again over time with the same souls. The MC is according to Marianette a past acquantaince. However if either the MC, interceptor or Melia is actually one of the souls to change fate? Well you get different scenarios.

[Filthy Casual]

1 minute ago, FairFamily said:

Well assuming the puppet master speaks of the dual prophecies which is something I believe, we know one of the eight soul has the power to change fate.

 

So what if pull the history repeats itelf a bit more litterally and some events are bound to happen again and again over time with the same souls. The MC is according to Marianette a past acquantaince. However if either the MC, interceptor or Melia is actually one of the souls to change fate? Well you get different scenarios.

To be fair, I think it's the MC who can change fate. For example, if you get the Weird Diary from the past, it literally says "The timeline has been changed."

[FairFamily]

1 minute ago, FactoryofSadness said:

To be fair, I think it's the MC who can change fate. For example, if you get the Weird Diary from the past, it literally says "The timeline has been changed."

Good point so Melia can be scrapped. However it could be the interceptor (which coould be the being that controls the MC for a long time) though: a being that can inhabit minds seems a good choice for a fate changer.

[Cataline]

Ok ok.. but would that mean that Gym Leader Maria has failed? Because to triumph over her father would have changed things. It'd make sense if every Marianette was doomed but you see Maria strike back. I only imagine she recalls her other timelines but.. unless she eventually lost due to unknown reasons..

 

and also why don't I remember the weird diary?? Where was this....?

[Filthy Casual]

3 minutes ago, Cataline said:

Ok ok.. but would that mean that Gym Leader Maria has failed? Because to triumph over her father would have changed things. It'd make sense if every Marianette was doomed but you see Maria strike back. I only imagine she recalls her other timelines but.. unless she eventually lost due to unknown reasons..

 

and also why don't I remember the weird diary?? Where was this....?

After Gardevoir promises the cops infinite nuggets for destroying Indriad's house, you can pick up an item called the Apartment Key. It takes you to a basement, where you find a the Weird Diary. You give it to Melia to save Garbodor.

[Cataline]

6 minutes ago, FactoryofSadness said:

After Gardevoir promises the cops infinite nuggets for destroying Indriad's house, you can pick up an item called the Apartment Key. It takes you to a basement, where you find a the Weird Diary. You give it to Melia to save Garbodor.

Ok well I read that (twice) and somehow I literally forgot it's contents. I was worried it was the one you can't access in Kanon's room.

[Lucifer]

What role do you guys think Gardevoir will have in all of this? She is easily the most obscure antagonist in the whole story. I recall a Gardevoir being on the prophecy statue in the Hidden Library, which leads me to believe she may very well have a huge impact on things to come. I don't have any evidence, but I am somewhat curious as to whether or not Gardevoir somehow posessed Angie's body. 

[Glynda]

Replaying through V9, i actually believe that Thomas Blakeory is a solid candidate for Greed. He fits the bill, being the "Rich kid who's a douche to everyone" character and all.

[bakanobaka]

9 hours ago, ShadeStrider said:

I also found this in Blacksteeple:

 

The Shadows that shade the earth shall be known in the end.

 

The One of Raw Evil, the One of Obsession, The one of betrayal, and the one of Greed.

 

These Four shall see the world be lost forever.

 

 

 

Karen could be obsession cause of remade in your their image shit on four darknesses, she's pretty obsessed on hidden library.

Geara could be the raw evil cause he killed Jenner, Madame X could be neutral.

 

Edited July 29, 2017 by bakanobaka

[seki108]

Texan is a very unlikely candidate, but he might be able to fit Hatred or Greed if he's brought up more (aside from the hinted future revenge attempt at the resort club).  Probably too minor of a character to be on the radar, but Jan might surprise us.  Just want to include all possibilities, no matter how remote.

[FairFamily]

8 hours ago, Cataline said:

Ok ok.. but would that mean that Gym Leader Maria has failed? Because to triumph over her father would have changed things. It'd make sense if every Marianette was doomed but you see Maria strike back. I only imagine she recalls her other timelines but.. unless she eventually lost due to unknown reasons..

 

and also why don't I remember the weird diary?? Where was this....?

Well it could be that the change of fate does not stop the history from repeating itself. She could have lived , not be sacrificed, died of old age and she reincarnates into a new cycle anyway. I mean the MC repeats the cycle as well.

 

19 minutes ago, bakanobaka said:

 

Karen could be obsession cause of remade in your their image shit on four darknesses, she's pretty obsessed on hidden library.

Geara could be the raw evil cause he killed Jenner, Madame X could be neutral.

 

Karen is insane, not really obsessed. I mean she tried getting the library location and almost gave up when the library didn't spawn. I don't think she is that obsessed.

 

7 hours ago, Lucifer said:

What role do you guys think Gardevoir will have in all of this? She is easily the most obscure antagonist in the whole story. I recall a Gardevoir being on the prophecy statue in the Hidden Library, which leads me to believe she may very well have a huge impact on things to come. I don't have any evidence, but I am somewhat curious as to whether or not Gardevoir somehow posessed Angie's body. 

Gardevoir might be a candidate for pure evil in place of angie. She also could be a guiding force for the prophecy like Spatia, Tiempa and Madame X. But with how little she appeared it's hard to say.