Developers Jan Posted September 30, 2017 Developers Share Posted September 30, 2017 Secret inside 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀 Status 👀👀👀👀 Spoiler ==Archive== Spoiler Post #1 | Level Caps and Balancing - 10/1/2017 | 1/10/2017 Spoiler Post #1 | Level Caps and Balancing === Okay, first thing! I'm sure it's no secret that the level 100 cap is slowly creeping up on us. It's something I've been concerned about for quite a while. However, the Dev Team and I have come up with solutions to this problem. The Level Cap has new mechanics and I'd like to talk about them! Passing the cap in the old system just made your Pokemon disobedient. This was something that didn't even work well because half the time Pokemon would do what it was told anyway. There was basically no reason for the level cap to exist. In this new system, passing the level cap is not possible. The Level Cap is 20? No matter how many battles you do before breaking this cap, no Pokemon will exceed level 20. Huh? What's that? You've seen past my lie? Alright, fine. I don't want to limit people within the cap -too much-. Truth is, it's only half-impossible. Passing the level cap isn't possible... with Exp. You'll still be able to pass the cap through other means like Rare Candies. However, like before, Pokemon that go pass the cap will become disobedient. The only way to fix this is to de-level them with Reverse Candies, or breaking the cap by obtaining a new badge. So that much hasn't changed. That's pretty much it when it comes to the Level Cap, though. Muy simple. Game balance time!! === Ah, game balance... I don't particularly like doing this (At least for Pokemon games). I actually don't really care for it either. That's why two of my lovely Dev members, @Alex and @Azeria will be in charge of that from now on. Good. Take it. I don't want it. Probably for the best anyway. (I'll still be supervising things, of course.) Because of the Level Cap's new mechanics, we're able to do things that were not possible before. Previously I had to increase the cap from level 20 to level 30 after Venam because of the crazy amounts of gameplay between the first and second badge. However, since exp no longer matters after the cap is reached, I can bring the cap from level 30 to level 25. What does that mean? Well, it means all the levels after the second badge shall decrease by 5. As a result, most players will most likely be overleveled by the time V10 rolls around. Don't worry, I will always look out and care for each and every one of you!! I will be handing out 5 free Reverse Candies to compensate for the level decrease. Whether you actually want to use them or not is up to you. And finally!! Last thing! Because of all this... I can finally give trainers substance. I don't need to give trainers 1 or 2 Pokemon all the time. The possibilities are endless. More fun for me, probably means less fun for you. So I'll probably have to control what I actually do. Heh. Teams will change. Chaos shall ensue. Rosters will rise in number. And the suffering shall continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Zumi Posted September 30, 2017 Veterans Share Posted September 30, 2017 bincho noobo you're stealing from jan's v9 thread aren't you. with the status bar and everything. smh ://// (good luck my dude) ((also you guys, please don't repeat the V9 thread and actually stay on topic this time and don't post for the sake of posting to keep the thread alive, thanks)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted September 30, 2017 Veterans Share Posted September 30, 2017 Dev team represent!!!!!! We'll try our best!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightySceptile Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 YAAAAAAASSSSS!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheist Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I'm kinda conflicted on the status bar thing. On one hand I do enjoy glancing at it every now and then to see how far development has come but on the other hand, the people complaining about the bar not moving and slow development are extremely annoying. I might prefer just *POOF* new version out whenever it's done. Especially if it would lessen pressure on you and help you work better. Still, I respect your decision and am glad to see development is that far in already. Also that you have a dev team now, congrats. I assume that ??? bar is the new thing you're going to talk about? I'll keep an eye out for it and good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokighost Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 ohh all new fun and that to come anyways i'll say don't rush yourself jan and co remember tho we all looking for and update your health and lifes are more important then rushing to get v 10 done as zumi knows with her beautiful art work rush it and you'll mess up but take your time and you'll make good art (or games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRS swag Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 @Jan Never expected you to open up the thread with such great statistics. Don't rush up anything man. Take all the time you need. That way we all will definitely see a masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyarth Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Woah, woah, woah. The Reborn E17 blog just wrapped up, and today was going to be my procrastination-free day since I had no more fangames to obsessively check on. Now you're hitting me with this? I-I'll be fine. I've learned from my past mistakes and blunders of development blogs, and that people would be very nervous if they saw that this was 80% of my search history. I'm a strong, independent-- 👀👀homework is for plebs and good students anyways👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 nice to see a thread for this as im curious, but anyway what is the bar under story for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developers Jan Posted October 1, 2017 Author Developers Share Posted October 1, 2017 Quote nice to see a thread for this as im curious, but anyway what is the bar under story for? Now, now... If I wanted everyone to know so soon, I wouldn't have marked it as "???". :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadeStrider Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, Nyarth said: Woah, woah, woah. The Reborn E17 blog just wrapped up, and today was going to be my procrastination-free day since I had no more fangames to obsessively check on. Now you're hitting me with this? I-I'll be fine. I've learned from my past mistakes and blunders of development blogs, and that people would be very nervous if they saw that this was 80% of my search history. I'm a strong, independent-- 👀👀homework is for plebs and good students anyways👀 So am I a pleb? Or a good Student? Edited October 1, 2017 by ShadeStrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hycrox Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I've got it. Madame X is actually three interrogation points in a disguise. And that's at 0% because she dies in this episode. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonza11 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 damn 44%, and you said you would be gone for a bit but seriously though, good luck and i hope the stress wont be to much now you got some more people on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developers Jan Posted October 2, 2017 Author Developers Share Posted October 2, 2017 Post #1 | Level Caps and Balancing === Okay, first thing! I'm sure it's no secret that the level 100 cap is slowly creeping up on us. It's something I've been concerned about for quite a while. However, the Dev Team and I have come up with solutions to this problem. The Level Cap has new mechanics and I'd like to talk about them! Passing the cap in the old system just made your Pokemon disobedient. This was something that didn't even work well because half the time Pokemon would do what it was told anyway. There was basically no reason for the level cap to exist. In this new system, passing the level cap is not possible. The Level Cap is 20? No matter how many battles you do before breaking this cap, no Pokemon will exceed level 20. Huh? What's that? You've seen past my lie? Alright, fine. I don't want to limit people within the cap -too much-. Truth is, it's only half-impossible. Passing the level cap isn't possible... with Exp. You'll still be able to pass the cap through other means like Rare Candies. However, like before, Pokemon that go pass the cap will become disobedient. The only way to fix this is to de-level them with Reverse Candies, or breaking the cap by obtaining a new badge. So that much hasn't changed. That's pretty much it when it comes to the Level Cap, though. Muy simple. Game balance time!! === Ah, game balance... I don't particularly like doing this (At least for Pokemon games). I actually don't really care for it either. That's why two of my lovely Dev members, @Alex and @Azeria will be in charge of that from now on. Good. Take it. I don't want it. Probably for the best anyway. (I'll still be supervising things, of course.) Because of the Level Cap's new mechanics, we're able to do things that were not possible before. Previously I had to increase the cap from level 20 to level 30 after Venam because of the crazy amounts of gameplay between the first and second badge. However, since exp no longer matters after the cap is reached, I can bring the cap from level 30 to level 25. What does that mean? Well, it means all the levels after the second badge shall decrease by 5. As a result, most players will most likely be overleveled by the time V10 rolls around. Don't worry, I will always look out and care for each and every one of you!! I will be handing out 5 free Reverse Candies to compensate for the level decrease. Whether you actually want to use them or not is up to you. And finally!! Last thing! Because of all this... I can finally give trainers substance. I don't need to give trainers 1 or 2 Pokemon all the time. The possibilities are endless. More fun for me, probably means less fun for you. So I'll probably have to control what I actually do. Heh. Teams will change. Chaos shall ensue. Rosters will rise in number. And the suffering shall continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheist Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 "In this new system, passing the level cap is not possible. The Level Cap is 20? No matter how many battles you do before breaking this cap, no Pokemon will exceed level 20." YES. THIS. I've been wondering for years why nobody has implemented this instead of the annoying Pokemon not listening to you bullshit. If all my mons are at the cap before I battle a gym leader, it's almost guaranteed that at least one will pass the cap and start disobeying me in the MIDDLE OF THE BATTLE. What sense does that make? And no more spamming reverse candies after every trainer battle either. Just yes. I just assumed that since none of the fan games had this extremely obvious feature, it was just really difficult to implement but i'm glad someone is finally doing it. I hope the developers of other fan games will follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyarth Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Thank you for this! I still have nightmares of how many tries it took me for the mansion boss-rush battle in Reborn, since it ended up coming down to whether I wanted to start the battle underlevelled and get pummeled, or be at your usual level and lose turns due to the Pokemon not obeying you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felcatty Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Didn't expect it but nice to see a status thread for v10, take your time and have breaks. @Gheist Don't know if you've played it but Pokémon Apex (currently on build 6) uses that level cap system if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seki108 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 @Gheist Reborn Hardcore also uses this kind of level cap system, so it's not wholly new. Well, I already can't quote people in this thread, which might make things a little trickier to reply to (assuming it's not just me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJRA Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Love the best of both worlds mentality to the level cap -- On one hand, it's a lot easier to level more than 6 mon's up to the level cap especially if Jan is indeed upping the amount of trainers / pkmn per trainer, so overall it's a good thing. Yet, it still has a solution for cases like the annoying Level 35 dilemma (I'm mainly thinking about Reborn Monotypes here because of Shelly), but basically when your starter (not named Ivysaur/Bayleef/Croconaw/Grotle) is sitting pretty at level 35 and you're stuck with it in second stage for a hard fight. Since the rare candy is, well, rare, it makes you really consider whether using it is necessary for the fight or whether you can workaround somehow. Anyways, love this change a ton :] As for the blog, I mean, Insurgence and Uranium churned out without percent bars and people still love them, so don't feel super pressured Jan. Your content continues to be amazing regardless so don't let that bit tie you up too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods Dreamy Posted October 2, 2017 Global Mods Share Posted October 2, 2017 Imo this cap system works much better. Also in regards to balance, I felt as if some significant fights were made easier in V9 compared to V8. Is this intentional, with normal becoming more forgiving and the proper challenge moving to intense, or was it somewhat unintentional and they'll be picked up again in future if they're a bit soft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gheist Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 @Felcatty I don't know how this quote system works or whether it's still broken but whatever. I tend to stay away from fan games not on the Reborn forums since this is my quality check and they tend to be pretty bad from my experience. But Apex does look somewhat interesting so I might check it out regardless. On a different, I had no idea that Reborn hardcore had this level cap system already implemented. If you ask me, this feature actually makes the game easier since my mons won't level up mid battle so I'd suggest either implementing it globally or perhaps make it a toggleable option like the battle set/switch. Or at least something you can select at the start of the game. The current system is mostly annoying rather than an actual hindrance. While we're at it, I also want max repels in the first shop and they should cost 1$ because absolutely nothing is added to the game by making you run from 50000 wild Pokemon when you have no interest in battling them anyway. Or even better, a nice key item that you can turn on/off and it's just a permanent repel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnDy Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 omg didn.t expect to see this i am so hyped and alerady at 44% omg Jan i hope you won.t rush yourself with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) so jan if we cant go over the cap dose that mean you will reajust the caps for each badge? and will that also mean that those that have completed the current episode will have a higher cap to work with? either that or all out mon's will be about 25-30 levels too high Edited October 2, 2017 by sandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRS swag Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I believe the level nerf could be as low as 5 (very rarely 10). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) the level difference between venam and ketta is 20 and our current cap is 80 so the drop in the cap next episode will be bigger than 10 i believe. Edited October 3, 2017 by sandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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