NickCrash Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I saw a lot of confusion as to what moves pokemon get in SM and what changed in USUM. Right now Reborn uses SM content. As the title suggests, I'll be using this as a way to gather all information regarding those changes. Potentially this could help the developers if they decide to implement those changes in Reborn before E18. So far I've only checked 10% but I need to sleep so feel free to contribute. What I have found so far: 1) Venusaur gets the following moves by tutors: Bind, Block, Giga Drain, Knock Off, Outrage, Seed Bomb, Snore, Stomping Tantrum, Synthesis, Worry Seed 2) Charizard gets the following moves by tutors: Defog, Dragon Pulse, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Heat Wave, Iron Tail, Outrage, Snore, Tailwind, Thunder Punch 3) Blastoise gets the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Dragon Pulse, Focus Punch, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Defense, Iron Tail, Liquidation, Outrage, Signal Beam, Snore, Zen Headbutt 4) Butterfree gets the following moves by tutors: Bug Bite, Defog, Electroweb, Giga Drain, Signal Beam, Skill Swap, Snore, Tailwind 5) Beedrill gets the following moves by tutors: Bug Bite, Defog, Drill Run, Electroweb, Endeavor, Giga Drain, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Snore, Tailwind, Throat Chop 6) Pidgeot gets the following moves by tutors: Defog, Heat Wave, Laser Focus, Snore, Tailwind, Uproar 7) Raticate and Raticate-A get the following moves by tutors: Covet, Endeavor, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Last Resort, Shock Wave, Snore, Stomping Tantrum, Super Fang, Throat Chop, Uproar, Zen Headbutt 8) Fearow gets the following moves by tutors: Defog, Drill Run, Heat Wave, Laser Focus, Sky Attack, Snore, Tailwind, Throat Chop, Uproar 9) Arbok gets the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Bind, Gastro Acid, Giga Drain, Gunk Shot, Iron Tail, Seed Bomb, Snatch, Snore, Spite, Stomping Tantrum, Throat Chop 10) Raichu gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Electroweb, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Magnet Rise, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Thunder Punch 11) Raichu-A gets the following moves by tutors: Ally Switch, Covet, Electroweb, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Magnet Rise, Recycle, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Telekinesis, Thunder Punch 12) Sandslash and Sandslash-A get Hone Claws by breeding with Sneasel, Zangoose, Glameow, Purugly, Weavile, Purrloin, Liepard, Drillbur, Excadrill, Zoroark or Heatmor 13) Sandslash gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Earth Power, Focus Punch, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum, Super Fang 14) Sandslash-A gets the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Covet, Drill Run, Focus Punch, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Snore, Stealth Rock, Super Fang, Throat Chop 15) Nidoqueen and Nidoking get the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Dragon Pulse, Drill Run, Earth Power, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Outrage, Shock Wave, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum, Super Fang, Superpower, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Uproar, Water Pulse 16) Clefable and Wigglytuff get the following moves by tutors: After You, Bounce, Covet, Drain Punch, Endeavor, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Gravity, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Hyper Voice, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Last Resort, Magic Coat, Recycle, Role Play, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snatch, Snore, Stealth Rock, Telekinesis, Thunder Punch, Trick, Water Pulse, Wonder Room, Zen Headbutt 17) Ninetales and Ninetales-A get the following moves by tutors: Covet, Foul Play, Heat Wave, Iron Tail, Laser Focus, Pain Split, Role Play, Snore, Spite, Zen Headbutt 18) Vileplume gets Strength Sap by breeding with Morelull or Shiinotic 19) Vileplume gets the following moves by tutors: After You, Drain Punch, Gastro Acid, Giga Drain, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis, Worry Seed 20) Parasect gets Grassy Terrain by breeding with Oddish, Gloom, Tangela, Roselia, Tangrowth or Comfey 21) Parasect gets the following moves by tutors: After You, Bug Bite, Giga Drain, Knock Off, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis, Throat Chop, Worry Seed 22) Venomoth gets the following moves by tutors: Bug Bite, Defog, Giga Drain, Signal Beam, Skill Swap, Snore, Tailwind, Zen Headbutt 23) Dugtrio gets the following moves by tutors: Earth Power, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum 24) Dugtrio-A gets the following moves by tutors: Earth Power, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum 25) Persian and Persian-A gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Foul Play, Gunk Shot, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Seed Bomb, Shock Wave, Snatch, Snore, Spite, Throat Chop, Uproar, Water Pulse 26) Golduck gets the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Focus Punch, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Laser Focus, Liquidation, Low Kick, Role Play, Signal Beam, Snore, Telekinesis, Water Pulse, Wonder Room, Worry Seed, Zen Headbutt 27) Primeape gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Dual Chop, Endeavor, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Gunk Shot, Helping Hand, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Outrage, Role Play, Seed Bomb, Snore, Spite, Stomping Tantrum, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Uproar 28) Arcanine gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Dragon Pulse, Heat Wave, Helping Hand, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Laser Focus, Outrage, Snore 29) Poliwrath gets the following moves by tutors: Dual Chop, Endeavor, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Snore, Throat Chop, Water Pulse 30) Alakazam gets Psychic Terrain by breeding with Beheeyem 31) Alakazam gets the following moves by tutors: Ally Switch, Drain Punch, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Gravity, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Recycle, Role Play, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Skill Swap, Snatch, Snore, Telekinesis, Thunder Punch, Trick, Wonder Room, Zen Headbutt 32) Machamp gets the following moves by tutors: Dual Chop, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Low Kick, Role Play, Snore, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch 33) Victreebel gets Grassy Terrain by breeding with Morelull or Shiinotic 34) Victreebel gets the following moves by tutors: Bind, Gastro Acid, Giga Drain, Knock Off, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis, Worry Seed 35) Tentacruel gets the following moves by tutors: Bind, Giga Drain, Icy Wind, Knock Off, Magic Coat, Snore, Water Pulse 36) Golem gets the following moves by tutors: Block, Earth Power, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Thunder Punch 37) Golem-A gets the following moves by tutors: Ally Switch, Block, Earth Power, Electroweb, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Magnet Rise, Shock Wave, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Thunder Punch 38) Rapidash gets High Horsepower by breeding with Mudbray or Mudsdale 39) Rapidash gets the following moves by tutors: Ally Switch, Bounce, Drill Run, Heat Wave, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Snore, Throat Chop 40) Muk and Muk-A get Power-Up Punch by breeding with Phantump 41) Muk gets the following moves by tutors: Block, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Giga Drain, Gastro Acid, Ice Punch, Pain Split, Shock Wave, Snore, Thunder Punch 42) Muk-A gets the following moves by tutors: Block, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Giga Drain, Gastro Acid, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Pain Split, Recycle, Shock Wave, Snore, Spite, Thunder Punch ... 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Walpurgis Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I think it would be a good idea to separate egg and level up moves from new tutor moves as they, if I'm not mistaken, are defined in diferent files. And the egg moves can only be defined in pokemon that can be an egg, so generally the first stage of the line unless there's a baby pokemon in that line, so it would probably be helpful too if instead of listing them with the last stage you listed them with the pokemon that can come off the egg with that move. Honestly, I would personally edit the PBS files myself if I was sure that they will be used and it won't be in vain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfox Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 One the one hand I agree, but on the other, I don't. While giving us an ep 17.5 with these changes would help some mons out, it would take Ame longer to both create that separately and still work toward ep 18, which will already hold these changes in the first place. as bitchy as it may sound, just be patient and next ep you'll be 100% sure to be able to use move tutor moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargerth Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 USUM Egg moves: https://serebii.net/ultrasunultramoon/eggchange.shtml I didn't find a similar list of new tutored moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seki108 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 9:34 AM, Wolfox said: One the one hand I agree, but on the other, I don't. While giving us an ep 17.5 with these changes would help some mons out, it would take Ame longer to both create that separately and still work toward ep 18, which will already hold these changes in the first place. as bitchy as it may sound, just be patient and next ep you'll be 100% sure to be able to use move tutor moves Expand To be fair, @Ice Cream Sand Witch updated the moves to USUM in Pokemon Spork within a day of the files being leaked online, if I remember correctly. Ame could probably knock it out fairly quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpurgis Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 9:34 AM, Wolfox said: One the one hand I agree, but on the other, I don't. While giving us an ep 17.5 with these changes would help some mons out, it would take Ame longer to both create that separately and still work toward ep 18, which will already hold these changes in the first place. as bitchy as it may sound, just be patient and next ep you'll be 100% sure to be able to use move tutor moves Expand The problem would be if the new pokemon, forms and z moves were added because that would probably mean updating the online to avoid the people who haven't updated their game from experiencing errors due to some pokemon and moves not being coded in their games, but as long as it's only the same old pokemon with new old moves it shouldn't be that much trouble, if I'm not mistaken. The moveset changes could easily be separated from the rest of the content and all the extra work would basically boil down to creating the patch and posting it. If they choose not to I'll 100% undertand and support that decision, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Level up changes Reveal hidden contents Bulbasaur: 7 Vine Whip -> Leech Seed, still learns Vine Whip at 9 Magnemite: 7 Magnet Bomb -> Thunder Wave 11 Thunder Wave -> Magnet Bomb Magneton: See Magnemite Drowzee: Level 29 Headbutt -> Wake-Up Slap Hypno: See Drowzee Chansey: Fling 34->35 Heal Pulse 38->39 Egg Bomb 42->44 Light Screen 46->50 Healing Wish 50->57 Double-Edge 54->65 Mr. Mime: Pound now a level 1 move Tauros: 35 Zen Headbutt -> Take Down 41 Take Down -> Zen Headbutt Thrash 50 -> 55 63 Giga Impact -> Double-Edge 71 Giga Impact Hoppip: Absorb now a level 1 move Skiploom/Jumpluff: Tackle replaced with Absorb Dunsparce: Basically, gained Mud-Slap at 13 and everything else was pushed back a slot 13 Yawn -> Mud-Slap 16 Ancient Power -> Yawn 18 Body Slam -> Ancient Power 21 Drill Run -> Body Slam 23 Roost -> Drill Run 26 Take Down -> Roost 28 Coil -> Take Down 31 Dig -> Coil 33 Glare -> Dig 36 Double-Edge -> Glare 38 Endeavor -> Double-Edge 41 Air Slash -> Endeavor 43 Dragon Rush -> Air Slash 46 Endure -> Dragon Rush 48 Flail -> Endure 51 Flail Blissey: See Chansey Armaldo: Level 25 Slash-> Bug Bite Jirachi: Level 30 Rest -> Lucky Chant Mime Jr.: See Mr. Mime Magnezone: See Magnemite, also Thunder Wave replaces Magnet Bomb as a Level 1 move Palkia: Level 24 Aqua Tail -> Aqua Ring Venipede: 38 Venoshock -> Venom Drench Reshiram: 64 Imprison -> Noble Roar Zekrom: 64 Imprison -> Noble Roar Kyurem (all forms): 64 Imprison -> Noble Roar Avalugg: Wide Guard as level 1 move Rowlet: Razor Leaf moved from 15 to 14, +Ominous Wind at 16 Dartrix: See Rowlet Decidueye: See Rowlet, also gets Phantom Force, Leaf Storm, and Shadow Sneak as Level 1 moves Litten: Fire Fang moved from 15 to 14, +Double Kick at 16 Torracat: See Litten Incineroar: See Litten Popplio: Aqua Jet moved from 15 to 14, +Icy Wind at 16 Brionne/Primarina: See Popplio Lurantis: Night Slash a Level 1 move Bewear: Bind as a Level 1 move Tsareena: Punishment as a Level 1 move, Power Whip at 53 Hakamo-o: Close Combat at 63 Kommo-o: Close Combat at 75 Necrozma: Photon Geyser at 50 Egg move changes Reveal hidden contents Sandshrew/A-Sandshrew: Hone Claws Oddish: Strength Sap Paras: Grassy Terrain Abra: Psychic Terrain Bellsprout: Strength Sap Ponyta: High Horsepower Farfetch'd: First Impression, Final Gambit Grimer/A-Grimer: Power-Up Punch Onix: Wide Guard Drowzee: Power Split, Psychic Terrain Cubone: Curse Lickitung: Thrash Koffing: Venom Drench Tangela: Wake-Up Slap Mr. Mime: Psychic Terrain Snorlax: Power-Up Punch Sentret: Baby-Doll Eyes Hoothoot: Mean Look, Hurricane Ledyba: Endure, Counter Spinarak: Lunge Hoppip: Strength Sap Aipom: Tail Slap Wooper: Power-Up Punch Murkrow: Punishment Girafarig: Psychic Terrain, Psychic Fangs Delibird: Counter Phanpy: High Horsepower Zigzagoon: Extreme Speed Whismur: Whirlwind Mawile: Power-Up Punch Plusle: Tearful Look Minun: Tearful Look Volbeat: Lunge Illumise: Aromatherapy Roselia: Power Whip Numel: Heavy Slam Cacnea: Power-Up Punch Swablu: Play Rough Zangoose: Belly Drum Kecleon: Power-Up Punch Tropius: Dragon Hammer Chimecho: Crafty Shield, Perish Song Turtwig: Heavy Slam Chimchar: Power-Up Punch Piplup: Power Trip Bidoof: Mud Sport Pachirisu: Baby-Doll Eyes Buizel: Helping Hand Cherubi: Grassy Terrain Buneary: Power-Up Punch Mime Jr.: Psychic Terrain Spiritomb: Disable Riolu: Meteor Mash Carnivine: Acid Spray Finneon: Confuse Ray Tepig: Burn Up Oshawott: Sacred Sword Patrat: Tearful Look, Bullet Seed Pansage: Spiky Shield Pansear: Belch, Flare Blitz Blitzle: Feint Timburr: Power-Up Punch Tympole: Venom Drench Sewaddle: Grassy Terrain Cottonee: Misty Terrain Petilil: Encore Basculin: Head Smash Darumaka: Extrasensory Scraggy: Power-Up Punch, Acid Spray Yamask: Crafty Shield Trubbish: Autotomize Ducklett: Aqua Jet Deerling: Headbutt Joltik: Lunge Shelmet: Toxic Spikes Bouffalant: Cotton Guard Deino: Belch Chespin: Power-Up Punch Fennekin: Psychic Terrain Froakie: Power-Up Punch Flabebe: Tearful Look Skiddo: Grassy Terrain Spritzee: Nasty Plot Swirlix: Sticky Web Inkay: Guard Swap Hawlucha: Feint Dedenne: Tearful Look Phantump: Power-Up Punch Pumpkaboo: Curse Litten: Power Trip Yungoos: Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang Cutiefly: Powder, Sticky Web Wishiwashi: Whirlpool Dewpider: Sticky Web Sandygast: Curse Pyukumuku: Spite https://pastebin.com/uK2YREX2 lists tutor moves in a format that matches the PBS, should be fully updated for USUM. It doesn't have alternate forms (Alola, then stuff like Deoxys/Wormadam) since those are handled elsewhere. It does include the new USUM mons but those can be find and replaced out if it messes with something I don't think it'd be that hard to make a mod that updates this stuff but I'm also lazy and idk if it'd conflict with other mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salad Table Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Do you know if snorlax can learn high horsepower now or is that just in USUM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 USUM changes aren't implemented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpurgis Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) On 1/17/2018 at 10:13 AM, Salad Table said: Do you know if snorlax can learn high horsepower now or is that just in USUM? Expand On 1/17/2018 at 10:17 AM, Paperblade said: USUM changes aren't implemented Expand I'm updating the movesets to USUM right now, I just finished the level up moves. Once I'm finished with the rest and after a little bit of testing to make sure that everything works just fine I might post it in the mod market, so stay tuned. Edit: also I just checked and snorlax should already be able to learn high horsepower at level 57, it's not a usum thing. Edit 2: I don't promise anything Edited January 17, 2018 by walpurgis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salad Table Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 10:37 AM, walpurgis said: I'm updating the movesets to USUM right now, I just finished the level up moves. Once I'm finished with the rest and after a little bit of testing to make sure that everything works just fine I might post it in the mod market, so stay tuned. Edit: also I just checked and snorlax should already be able to learn high horsepower at level 57, it's not a usum thing. Edit 2: I don't promise anything Expand okay thanks, no worries if it isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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