biboo195 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Anyone knows how to deal with AD Varus mid as a Nautilus support ? My mid laner couldn't handle him enough in the early and mid game, while i couldn't properly dive him without getting my carries killed in the process. Everytime i saw a Varus mid on the other side, it was almost a 90% lost for me. Maybe i'll try Thesh, but i like Nautilus the most out of the hook brothers. Edited June 26, 2015 by biboo195 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Anyone knows how to deal with AD Varus mid as a Nautilus support ? My mid laner couldn't handle him enough in the early and mid game, while i couldn't properly dive him without getting my carries killed in the process. Everytime i saw a Varus mid on the other side, it was almost a 90% lost for me. Maybe i'll try Thesh, but i like Nautilus the most out of the hook brothers. Thresh would probably do you better in this situation, considering you don't have to come to Varus once you hook him, as well as the fact that you have 3 instances to pull him out of the tower and towards your carry (two tugs of Death Sentence and one pull from Flay). Additionally, you can hook him through the tower instead of just hooking the tower as he kites you around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Anyone knows how to deal with AD Varus mid as a Nautilus support ? My mid laner couldn't handle him enough in the early and mid game, while i couldn't properly dive him without getting my carries killed in the process. Everytime i saw a Varus mid on the other side, it was almost a 90% lost for me. Maybe i'll try Thesh, but i like Nautilus the most out of the hook brothers. A jungler with good cc and bring high damage instaburst champs like Talon to deal with Varus mid. Naut support bring something like Morgana or Sivir to negate his ult and pull. Other than that not much I can say about Varus mid... he is hard to counter.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Anyone knows how to deal with AD Varus mid as a Nautilus support ? My mid laner couldn't handle him enough in the early and mid game, while i couldn't properly dive him without getting my carries killed in the process. Everytime i saw a Varus mid on the other side, it was almost a 90% lost for me. Maybe i'll try Thesh, but i like Nautilus the most out of the hook brothers. Teemo /shot But seriously, just cc him where he can't attack to give your carries time to kill him. Thresh hook and flay should do nicely assuming you can land them. If you can't get Thresh, Leona is also an option and she's easier to play as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biboo195 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Naut support bring something like Morgana or Sivir to negate his ult and pull. I'm talking about me using Nautilus, but it's still nice to know my counters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I'm talking about me using Nautilus, but it's still nice to know my counters. Happy to help. As Naut just ult the Varus in team fights if your team has some form of intellectual capabilities they should follow up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I actually played a Nautilus against a mid Varus the other day. I forget what role I was tho. Basically, he's gonna site back and poke, so either your carries need to dodge that (yeah right) or you need to lock him down long enough for your hopefully more mobile carries to get to him. The best way to do this is to Flash Ulti>Hook>E(for damage)>AA>W (cancels animation)>AA>E (for slow and damage). So basically your normal combo. You'll most likely get his Flash and/or ulti and he'll be out of position and thus out of the fight. Or possibly he'll try to stay put in which case all you have to do is keep him focused on you so your teammates can cut through his team and clean him up after the fight In other news, more people need to see this and then become unable to un-see it owo http://prntscr.com/7ltl5z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I actually played a Nautilus against a mid Varus the other day. I forget what role I was tho. Basically, he's gonna site back and poke, so either your carries need to dodge that (yeah right) or you need to lock him down long enough for your hopefully more mobile carries to get to him. The best way to do this is to Flash Ulti>Hook>E(for damage)>AA>W (cancels animation)>AA>E (for slow and damage). So basically your normal combo. You'll most likely get his Flash and/or ulti and he'll be out of position and thus out of the fight. Or possibly he'll try to stay put in which case all you have to do is keep him focused on you so your teammates can cut through his team and clean him up after the fight In other news, more people need to see this and then become unable to un-see it owo http://prntscr.com/7ltl5z At least Taric isn't there ._. May end up getting backdoored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Also, people forgot bout them, so Chromizzle Packizzles on the P B Izzle. Bardizzle: Yellow / Orange, Green / Teal, Blue / Purple Dreadknizzle Nasizzle: Grey / Red, Green / Purple, White / Blue Grim Rizzle Karthizzle: Black / Red, Green / Purple, White / Blue Shockblizzle Zedizzle: Red / Silver, Purple / Gold, Yellow / Bronze EDIT: Fixed Shockblade Zed's youtube link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Erm, Matsurika, you did Karthus twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Also, people forgot bout them, so Chromizzle Packizzles on the P B Izzle. Bardizzle: Yellow / Orange, Green / Teal, Blue / Purple Dreadknizzle Nasizzle: Grey / Red, Green / Purple, White / Blue Grim Rizzle Karthizzle: Black / Red, Green / Purple, White / Blue Shockblizzle Zedizzle: Red / Silver, Purple / Gold, Yellow / Bronze Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why dizzle talk died out after 5 minutes. That being said, I love the Bard Chroma pack. Definitely gonna pick that one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why dizzle talk died out after 5 minutes. That being said, I love the Bard Chroma pack. Definitely gonna pick that one up. zed link is just karthus again on mine :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Neo quoted before Matsurika edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Still Zed looks like a power ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Still Zed looks like a power ranger Can not unsee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Can not unsee... is very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Desire Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 so is runeglaive rush on mid fizz going to be standard now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 so is runeglaive rush on mid fizz going to be standard now? smite mid fizz???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Probably yes, DD I'm starting to get annoyed at how OP Smite is outside the jungle. Like, I like diversity, but instead of diversity we're just getting Smite everywhere They should nerf Challenging Smite, that'd help a lot imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Runeglaive Ezreal is rather strong right now too. I wonder if Riot is going to nerf the jungle items like they did last season.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Probably yes, DD I'm starting to get annoyed at how OP Smite is outside the jungle. Like, I like diversity, but instead of diversity we're just getting Smite everywhere They should nerf Challenging Smite, that'd help a lot imo I agree the damage reduction is a little insane.... plus you get true damage.... a wee bit to strong imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Felix Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 So I've been playing around with Twitch lately (One of the few costumes I want to get is the Sly Cooper one for him). A lot of build guides say to get Blade of the Ruined King first. It may just be me sucking, but I don't like this item. Anyone think going for Static Shiv and then Infinity Edge or Bloodthirster may be a decent alternative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Bork is almost definitely the way to go first It helps you a ton in early skirmishes (which you would otherwise lose painfully because Twitch) and since Twitch scales so well with attack speed, it stays relevant throughout the game. In addition, with the current tank meta, Bork's passive really helps you cut through the enemy team I'm pretty sure that Bloodthirster is bad on Twitch, but I honestly don't play him much so I don't know for certain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Bork is almost definitely the way to go first It helps you a ton in early skirmishes (which you would otherwise lose painfully because Twitch) and since Twitch scales so well with attack speed, it stays relevant throughout the game. In addition, with the current tank meta, Bork's passive really helps you cut through the enemy team I'm pretty sure that Bloodthirster is bad on Twitch, but I honestly don't play him much so I don't know for certain Bloodthirster isn't that great on Twitch because of his passive. You want the attack speed to spread poison faster. Normally Bork into PD and attack speed boots should be the first 3. it's almost like building Vayne... normal adc build on Twitch just doesn't give you the chance to effectively use your passive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 So I've been playing around with Twitch lately (One of the few costumes I want to get is the Sly Cooper one for him). A lot of build guides say to get Blade of the Ruined King first. It may just be me sucking, but I don't like this item. Anyone think going for Static Shiv and then Infinity Edge or Bloodthirster may be a decent alternative? Well, first of all, Statikk Shiv has never really been a viable start on any AD Carry. I've seen it a few times on Tristana and maybe Vayne, but that's generally if you're very behind and need the gold from the early avarice as well as the waveclear Statikk Shiv provides. Twitch doesn't exactly have an oppressive laning phase, but he's far from having the worst, so unless you're playing poorly, you shouldn't be too behind in lane. Additionally, W, and auto here and there, and then E is decent waveclear for twitch. I can give you a few reasons as to why Bork is an effective rush on him. First of all, the attack speed just synergizes excellently with him. You generally won't have an optimal item, especially Infinity Edge, completed before level 6. Twitch also, scales incredibly well with attack speed, being able to apply many stacks of his passive, and also being able to get more attacks in while his ult is activated, thus effectively, hitting more enemies. Add this onto the fact that the more stacks he gets, the more amplified his E becomes, and attack speed just seems to make sense. Twitch is far from a caster ADC, focusing more on his auto attacks to do damage than anything else, so the percent health damage on each auto attack in addition to the true damage from his passive, makes shredding tanks a breeze. (Plus, a little life steal in early skirmishes never hurt anyone except the enemy). To add on to the tank shredding capabilities, a second item, Youmuu's Ghostblade is also effective. Early on, when it's a bit more difficult to secure CS, an avarice blade is effective for making every Creep kill count, increasing your gold income. In addition, the Brutalizer's armor penetration helps also in fighting tanks. After that, Infinity Edge, Bloodthirster or PD, and a Mercurial Scimitar should be good to round out your build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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