Avatar of Grima Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 He doesn't die as easily as someone like Koggles or Xerath, thanks to his E which doubles his movement speed, as well as his ultimate which can easily restore all of his health. His main problem is the reliability of his damage and CC on his teammates. ^this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I wasn't saying that Zilean is specifically support or anything, just that for someone who doesn't want to spend too much money, he can be played as a support, since he was looking for champs to play bot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foovy10 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Really? But he only has one damage ability and he gets blown up almost instantly by literally anything He's got plenty of utility, but there's mids like Lulu and Orianna who have plenty of utility as well and don't get instagibbed by the world And even if he is viable as midlaner, he's still perfectly good as a support Excuse me but i am a zilean mid main no but its really fun if you can hit your q. and i just named the ones that aren't good at all at support cuz it would be good if he started getting good at the good champs(like alistar) instead of the unreliable champs that u dont usually have fun playing. Out of the supports tacos pointed out i suggest annie, janna, and soraka. All of them besides maybe janna are very easy and can be very good. and all the adcs that taco pointed out are top tier atm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Excuse me but i am a zilean mid main no but its really fun if you can hit your q. and i just named the ones that aren't good at all at support cuz it would be good if he started getting good at the good champs(like alistar) instead of the unreliable champs that u dont usually have fun playing. Out of the supports tacos pointed out i suggest annie, janna, and soraka. All of them besides maybe janna are very easy and can be very good. and all the adcs that taco pointed out are top tier atm meh Zilean mid is kinda fun, if you can hit q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Felix Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Nunu works as a support and actually was where I started using him. Punch minions without killing them to stack his passive, then throw snowballs or buff your teammate, eat a minion when Relic Shield passive is up for massive sustain. I do recommend taking him into the jungle though as he's better there. As for cheap and effective ADCs, I recommend Tristana or Corki (both Yordles, same race as Teemo), or for more difficult ones, Twitch and Draven. Easy support would be someone like Sona (Attack with Q by getting close, heal your teammate when needed, know when to use your ult) or if you want a more skillshot and straightforward champ, Blitzcrank. Blitz is like Thresh in that he's got a pretty defined role: Grab, knock up, possibly ult, and exhaust so your ADC can do damage to them, but he lacks the versatility Thresh has. Blitz does well with some mobility and tank items (I tend to go Face of the Mountain, Sightstone, Mobility Boots, Righteous Glory, Mikael's Crucible or Locket of the Iron Solari, and possibly Iceborn Gauntlet if we're ahead) I like doing full AP Sona, (Frost Queen's Claim, Sightstone, Either Mobility or CDR boots Only support items there, then situational AP items like Abyssal Scepter, Athene's Grail, possibly Void Staff/Luden's/Rabadon's) but not many people agree that it's smart, even though it's fun and works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Nunu works as a support and actually was where I started using him. Punch minions without killing them to stack his passive, then throw snowballs or buff your teammate, eat a minion when Relic Shield passive is up for massive sustain. I do recommend taking him into the jungle though as he's better there. As for cheap and effective ADCs, I recommend Tristana or Corki (both Yordles, same race as Teemo), or for more difficult ones, Twitch and Draven. Easy support would be someone like Sona (Attack with Q by getting close, heal your teammate when needed, know when to use your ult) or if you want a more skillshot and straightforward champ, Blitzcrank. Blitz is like Thresh in that he's got a pretty defined role: Grab, knock up, possibly ult, and exhaust so your ADC can do damage to them, but he lacks the versatility Thresh has. Blitz does well with some mobility and tank items (I tend to go Face of the Mountain, Sightstone, Mobility Boots, Righteous Glory, Mikael's Crucible or Locket of the Iron Solari, and possibly Iceborn Gauntlet if we're ahead) I like doing full AP Sona, (Frost Queen's Claim, Sightstone, Either Mobility or CDR boots Only support items there, then situational AP items like Abyssal Scepter, Athene's Grail, possibly Void Staff/Luden's/Rabadon's) but not many people agree that it's smart, even though it's fun and works. Let's just say, Neo flips shit at his Sona build. Cheap effective ADC's, Sivir, Trist, and Ashe. Corki isn't that cheap, difficulty wise, Draven, Kalista, Twitch all pretty difficult. Most supports that can melee go FotM, sightstone on all supports, locket same, frozen heart is a good item, right now talismen is better than Rightous Glory, so it is debateable whether or not you want to build it. Sona, sightstone, Frost Queens, mobi boots, then locket, frozen heart, zeke's harbinger, then a situational last item. Zeke's is very good right now so I suggest getting that item pretty quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Felix Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Let's just say, Neo flips shit at his Sona build. Cheap effective ADC's, Sivir, Trist, and Ashe. Corki isn't that cheap, difficulty wise, Draven, Kalista, Twitch all pretty difficult. Most supports that can melee go FotM, sightstone on all supports, locket same, frozen heart is a good item, right now talismen is better than Rightous Glory, so it is debateable whether or not you want to build it. Sona, sightstone, Frost Queens, mobi boots, then locket, frozen heart, zeke's harbinger, then a situational last item. Zeke's is very good right now so I suggest getting that item pretty quickly Wasn't Corki only 1350? Or am I mistaken? Bought him a long time ago, so don't remember. I prefer FotM for the active to be honest. Provide a lot of peel and power to teammates as Blitz. And the passive is nice too if a minion wave is pushing and someone is heading to clear it. AP Sona may not be a good idea, but damn is it fun. Just remembered: It's old, but still working, so you can still get a free Tristana skin (and the champ herself) by liking the League Facebook page. Edited October 13, 2015 by Generalguy64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Wasn't Corki only 1350? Or am I mistaken? Bought him a long time ago, so don't remember. I prefer FotM for the active to be honest. Provide a lot of peel and power to teammates as Blitz. And the passive is nice too if a minion wave is pushing and someone is heading to clear it. AP Sona may not be a good idea, but damn is it fun. Just remembered: It's old, but still working, so you can still get a free Tristana skin (and the champ herself) by liking the League Facebook page. Corki to my knowledge is a 3150. You can also get a free Garen skin with Twitter, and a free Alistar skin by subscribing to youtube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Felix Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The Alistar skin does not work. I've tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foovy10 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The Alistar skin does not work. I've tried. Contact support and they will give u the skin. Thats what i did ehrn i couldnt get the trist skin for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biboo195 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Anyone knows a good+easy to learn adc that can fit both offensive and defensive side ? I really don't want to only stick with support/filler for ranked games. If it's possible, i want to know at least 2 champs that fit the description. Edited October 13, 2015 by biboo195 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhi Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Anyone knows a good+easy to learn adc that can fit both offensive and defensive side ? I really don't want to only stick with support/filler for ranked games. If it's possible, i want to know at least 2 champs that fit the description. Graves (for his AoE blind and passive) or Ashe (for great kiting/slowing, her stun, and E). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talkla Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Anyone knows a good+easy to learn adc that can fit both offensive and defensive side ? I really don't want to only stick with support/filler for ranked games. If it's possible, i want to know at least 2 champs that fit the description. Sivir is a really good option. Early game she can provide a lot of pressure through her strong pushing power, and she has relative safety with her spell shield and ultimate, which can also be used late game as a great engage and escape tool. The Graves and Ashe recommendations are also great too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Anyone knows a good+easy to learn adc that can fit both offensive and defensive side ? I really don't want to only stick with support/filler for ranked games. If it's possible, i want to know at least 2 champs that fit the description. Do you mean defensive in the case that they have escapes or are safe? Because none of them are technically defensive in my opinion. Among your safer ADCs are Corki, Ezreal, Tristana, and Sivir. ADC's with more defensive qualities are Ashe (her slows, stun with ult, E for vision, etc.) and Graves (W gets rid of enemy vision, passive for defensive stats, E for a gap closer/escape, not to mention tons of burst damage to fit that offensive side). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anethia Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Anyone knows a good+easy to learn adc that can fit both offensive and defensive side ? I really don't want to only stick with support/filler for ranked games. If it's possible, i want to know at least 2 champs that fit the description. i'm gonna say someone nobody else has said which kinda surprises me Caitlin. If your lane goes well, you'll poke the enemy laner down to the point where you have kill pressure if they get caught by CC (like a trap, for example) but they have next to no kill pressure on you because of how low they are. If your lane goes poorly, your range lets you farm safely along with your traps to protect yourself and your net as an escape and slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Well, I was gonna say Ashe and Sivir When I read defensive I thought "stuff that's still useful from behind" which makes me think utility... But then everyone else already said stuff so now I just echoing things EDIT: Holy crap idea Not a very good one, but could be fun. Cho with a RoA/Wit's End/Titanic core. Could actually be semi-viable if Titanic activates on-hit effects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Well, I was gonna say Ashe and Sivir When I read defensive I thought "stuff that's still useful from behind" which makes me think utility... But then everyone else already said stuff so now I just echoing things EDIT: Holy crap idea Not a very good one, but could be fun. Cho with a RoA/Wit's End/Titanic core. Could actually be semi-viable if Titanic activates on-hit effects Yeah, sounds pretty stupidly fun, but add a stinger and it would be more fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 So I tried it, and it was going P well... (for me, the game was overall even, only thing I couldn't 1v1 was Cait) And then I DC'd and we lost/surrendered before I could get back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Slayer Jinx HNNNHGNGNNGHG Guess I'm not going to get the Kindred bundle then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Slayer Jinx HNNNHGNGNNGHG Guess I'm not going to get the Kindred bundle then. All 3 of those skins are cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Vayne "mains". Most toxic players? Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Felix Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I love Nunu, but damn I hate that skin. Admittedly odd though that Nunu of all champs is getting a second skin with new voices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringabel Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Oh. There are new skins. Wow. I really don't give a rat's ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar of Grima Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Vayne "mains". Most toxic players? Discuss. The trifecta of toxic, Vayne, Riven and Yi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talkla Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I really like all the new skins that have been being released recently, they're all really awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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