Administrators Amethyst Posted January 25, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 25, 2014 I didn't factor Lich Bane in for ease of math, admittedly, but the problems are mostly the same- the item cost is no different from the other things I mentioned and since that's taking her to more of a sustained damage route, she still has the issue of floating into the the enemy team without any resists besides her W. In short, it's still #notworth To wanderer's comment, that's kind of a cool bot lane idea, though I'm more interested in Leona as a jungler. How much do you know about that? Is the main reason that that isn't more popular her slow clear time/weakness to counter jungling? I imagine now that the spirit items give sustain that it would be a bit easier for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderoftheColossus Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I didn't factor Lich Bane in for ease of math, admittedly, but the problems are mostly the same- the item cost is no different from the other things I mentioned and since that's taking her to more of a sustained damage route, she still has the issue of floating into the the enemy team without any resists besides her W. In short, it's still #notworth To wanderer's comment, that's kind of a cool bot lane idea, though I'm more interested in Leona as a jungler. How much do you know about that? Is the main reason that that isn't more popular her slow clear time/weakness to counter jungling? I imagine now that the spirit items give sustain that it would be a bit easier for her. Leona provides some of the sickest, nastiest ganks in the game. Leona is so popular right now because junglers like Vi J4( Kind of) and Mundo are really popular. She has so much CC and is great for dive comps. She has 2 stuns and a brief root (her e) imagine that coming to gank your bot lane while you have a support annie. Ideally Leona would be a great jungler. The issue is her clear time which is why Riot has been playing with the idea of letting her pop her own passive but only on monsters and not champions. If she could pop her own passive against monsters/creeps, you'd see a lot of Leona in the Jungle. She's not the fastest but neither is Nasus or Maokai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted January 26, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 26, 2014 I remember them talking about that change a while ago, but I get the feeling it was eventually refuted. Personally I've been very interested in Leona Jungle ever since, firstly, hearing about it once in the LCS, and secondly, having someone in a ranked game pick Jungle Leona and absolutely demolish our enemy team. He showed us his match history too and all his games were like that, although sometimes with Fizz or Lissandra jungles instead. I chalked it up to him just being a strong enough player to compensate for those champions weaknesses, more than the champions themselves. Regardless, this kind of makes me want to give that a try. Maybe I'll queue up for it on Team Builder in a couple days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderoftheColossus Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Hmmm probably not his first account then haha, things like that work at lower levels of play but I tried doing leona jungle in ranked because I didn't feel like playing jungle on my diamond account and I got wrecked. Did it on my Gold account, and I wrecked. But yeah, things like Jungle Leona, Rumble and a few others are really good at lower elos like bronze to high gold but don't work very well past that unfortunately. Jungle Fizz is really strong if he doesn't get killed in his first clear of his jungle which he should if the enemy jungler is smart. You can hit him like twice and he'll die because of the amount of damage he's taken from the creeps. But yeah, give it a shot its a lot of fun to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fush Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 Bit of a LoL player myself, Diamond IV on my main and Plat V on my smurf I can tell you now that Leona as an AD works much better than AP Leona. Her skills may scale off AP but her skills aren't on a low enough cooldown to repeatedly spam them. Also take into account the meta at the moment is mostly tanks/high burst (Mundo, Shyvanna, Jinx, Ziggs) and Leona's "AP burst" isn't enough to warrent her actually building AP. However, the amount of CC she has does allow her plenty of time for auto attacks in between all her skills so building AD is much more beneficial to you should you want to play Leona as anything but a support (jungler). You really want a cheese lane play Leona Volibear Bot, bot take the summoner spell exhaust. Voli initiates and flips, leona stuns said enemy champ voli exhausts after stun wears off you'll burn flash and barrier if you have ad reds with armor yellows and MR blues. At level two you will get a kill. Leona spears, Voli flips, Leona stuns, Voli Bites. You will win bot lane and in the current meta, you can carry with two tanks bot lane and no adc. Went on a 10 game win streak with my friend in ranked with it. Just putting this here; the discussion of AP Leona originated because we were discussing non-meta things. I highly doubt anyone would actually run a non-support Leona in the current meta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderoftheColossus Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Do it all the time on my gold smurf. Its really fun. So is/was top lane taric. Haven't played that in awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted January 26, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 26, 2014 But yeah, things like Jungle Leona, Rumble and a few others are really good at lower elos like bronze to high gold but don't work very well past that unfortunately. So why is that? I would think it's something like... Either, 1) opposing junglers know how to extort those champions' slow clear speeds in order to snowball an early advantage because they can do so at that point, or 2), they're more active about challenging opponents via counter-jungling or invades. Is that about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderoftheColossus Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 So why is that? I would think it's something like... Either, 1) opposing junglers know how to extort those champions' slow clear speeds in order to snowball an early advantage because they can do so at that point, or 2), they're more active about challenging opponents via counter-jungling or invades. Is that about right? More or less yeah. At higher elo people show up to play seriously. When you get matched against junglers like Meteos and theoddone you can't really troll jungle without getting wrecked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelly Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Tbh with Riot changing the way the jungle items work so many junglers that were heavily blue dependent can now reliably jungle. Ofc I'm only talking about jungle Yorick though. His sustain is hella strong and he can duel pretty much anybody from level 2 onward. His ganks are sub-par but that's w/e. Idk really what I'm saying but I saw the topic was off-meta stuff and I thought I would recommend jungle Yorick. /ramble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fush Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Tbh with Riot changing the way the jungle items work so many junglers that were heavily blue dependent can now reliably jungle. Ofc I'm only talking about jungle Yorick though. His sustain is hella strong and he can duel pretty much anybody from level 2 onward. His ganks are sub-par but that's w/e. Idk really what I'm saying but I saw the topic was off-meta stuff and I thought I would recommend jungle Yorick. /ramble This, so damn much. I used to have tons of trouble jungling with Maokai and other champions that couldn't hold up as easily. Now I can easily grab up Maokai or Amumu any day and cruise through with them; props in particular to the new MOTHERFUCKING DEFENSIVE MASTERIES (50 hp to shield against the first buff? Hell the fuck yes). It's overall a whole lot more entertaining now, especially since it gives me more time to set up traps as Maokai that make the enemy walk into 3 plants at once. EDIT: Why is that I end up winning every game I play as Lucian, ranked-included? Well, I'm not complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashew Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/01/the-lunar-revel-is-here.html#more What new skins are coming? Dragonblade Riven – 1350 RP, on sale for 975 RP through January 31, 23:59 PST Warring Kingdoms Tryndamere - 975 RP Lunar Goddess Diana - 975 RP Will these skins be available after Lunar Revel? Per our discussion earlier, the Dragonblade Riven and Warring Kingdoms Tryndamere are Legacy skins, so they’ll head into the Legacy vault when the event ends at 16:00 PST on February 11, 2014. Since Lunar Goddess Diana is only her second skin after release, she’ll be in the store permanently (just as we did with Haunted Zyra and Officer Vi). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Eh, Lunar Goddess Diana is (in my opinion) the only really good one of the three so if they were going to pull that card, I'm cool with it. Roxie Riven and Nuh-uh Tryndamere just don't do it for me. EDIT: Actually, the Riven skin has grown onto me, ended up being the one I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I can't find enough happy gifs to show how i felt when I saw that Diana's skin was permanent Something I do wanna see/talk about really is how clueless i am in competitive LoL talk the viability of Jungle Yasuo, or even an ADC Yasuo. I've seen both once or twice and I have mixed opinions about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fush Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 I can't find enough happy gifs to show how i felt when I saw that Diana's skin was permanent Something I do wanna see/talk about really is how clueless i am in competitive LoL talk the viability of Jungle Yasuo, or even an ADC Yasuo. I've seen both once or twice and I have mixed opinions about them. Yasuo's pretty much an ADC as he is; at bot lane, I wouldn't be surprised if he held up better than most melee champs, due to his mobility and being able to windblock pretty much any bot lane adc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvan Nephilim Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I remember them talking about that change a while ago, but I get the feeling it was eventually refuted. They decided that they would rather Leona not become a popular jungler because then they'd have to change her power level due to the level of ganks and clearing speed she'd bring to the table and those nerfs would negatively affect her ability to perform as a support. As far as the Lunar Revel skins, only the Riven skin is a must buy. It's discounted at 975 RP and it's limited edition. The Diana skin will stay there forever and is really pink. I may be biased because I own every Riven skin besides Crimson Elite, but the particles on Dragonblade Riven are really nice. Edited January 30, 2014 by RumbleTTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Desire Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 i would die happy if i had championship riven ): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Oh Riot, you sure know how to capture my heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Desire Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 oh riot, the skin makes so much sense but if only Ashe wasn't a rare situational adc pick ): Also the amount of yi top being played by pros/other people in diamond soloq is making me suspicious o-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 oh riot, the skin makes so much sense but if only Ashe wasn't a rare situational adc pick ): Imma slap you. First of all, Ashe isn't "situational", it's just that a certain scrawny waif exists. Secondly, it already makes enough sense. Ashe hasn't received a new skin in nearly two and a half years. And the reason Yi is getting so much love is because look at the flavors of the month, particularly Olaf / Shyvana / Mundo. What do they not have much of? Crowd control. What shits on Yi more than anything? Crowd control. But what do I know, maybe they were in need of a round with the Dunkmaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted January 30, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 30, 2014 I'm pretty sure even Morello (maybe someone else of similar status) said that Ashe was a situational pick and that they were fine with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I know that. But "rare" is a considerable stretch (rare situational pick would be someone like Heimer or Urgot) On a side note this'll be the first skin in a while that coincides with its champion getting buffs (as opposed to nerfs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashew Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 It was at that moment I realise I've seen more urgots in the LCS than Ashes and its a little saddening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fush Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 It was at that moment I realise I've seen more urgots in the LCS than Ashes and its a little saddening At least Ashe doesn't receive as much hate as Urgot when it comes to standard play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylvan Nephilim Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Heimerdinger is good when you want everyone on the enemy team to try to kill your Heimerdinger constantly. That guy attracts more attention than a Teemo with Mejais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shgo Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/27129-miss-fortunes-pbe-changes-camera-rotation-option if this goes through o: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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