Wild Monkey Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Well folks, it has finally happened... Genesect has been BANNED from Smogon's OU tier list! It is now bumped up to Ubers! The vote concluded yesterday. Here is a link to the decision: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4488666&postcount=57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noivy Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Meh. Never really cared much about it. I do like their method of voting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fush Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Doesn't really affect the Reborn tiers all that much. Also, what Owen said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Monkey Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 I know it doesn't, the overuse of Genesect just kinda pissed me off in OU on the smogon server (I used him in only 1 team, but that's a team where I just threw together some of the most overused Mons... lol). I am glad they bumped him up to Ubers since he honestly was a complete powerhouse in many aspects... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Actually, this banning of Genesect, as it's a Legendary Pokemon, can affect Reborn's tiers. "This whole affair has made me realise that how we've been handling the tiering so far is probably inadequate. I intend to visit with the staff and come up with a better-defined (that is, defined-at-all) procedure on how we're going to take on these and future issues, and then we'll formally revisit them."- - Amethyst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamina Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 to my knowledge ame was talking about evasion and manaphy and possibly the lower tiers. banning genesect in smogon is not going to affect reborn tiers so im not sure where your going with that. Personally i can understand why smogon would chose to ban genesect since they have gotten rid of chand and also do not have deoxys speed. But i dont see it being a big problem in reborn mostly because we allow ss pokemon and exadrills and speed deoxys which can easily deal with the scarf variant and the rock polish set can be stopped by virtually all fire type pokemon and i would not mind another stall counter. Since we still run evasion that would also counter genesect because none of his sets have perfect accuracy (unless thunder in rain in which case politoed probably has haze). Than again evasion counters everything but that is for a diff topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Edge Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 >unban Kyurem-B >ban Genesect Oh smogon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Well, a lot of people run Scizor, who pretty much takes care of Kyurem-B, especially if it's a banded set. However, I don't really see the point of moving Genesect up... Sure he's overused and annoying as fuck, but just like Kyurem-B, he can easily be dealt with. I find Heatran a great wall to render Genesect useless. But that's just me. In any case, the only way this will affect Reborn is the random people that come in to battle and see a Genesect in OU; "wtf genesect is banned y is it ou here????" Other than that, doesn't affect us in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renowner Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) All I know is that smogon banned magicarp if you use a politoad with drizzle. (swift swim) But a sandslash with a tyrannitar isn't banned. Genesect dosen't strike me as an uber pokemon though, sure its boring fighting the same lead a bunch of times in a row (usually the same team too) but he wasn't hard to counter if you thought about it enough. zapdos with hidden power fire or heatwave could usually take the hit and finish it. Same with dragonite with fire punch. Heatran usually works. If you have a scarf on your team, probabally a fire type move on it would be good if you're afraid of genesects. Especially ditto, boy is it fun to pull that stuff off, you copy its boost, get another boost by copying its download, as long as you don't jump in after a fire attack you're generally doing well. Edited December 1, 2012 by renowner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow♠ Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I'm glad it's gone, even though most of my teams used Genesect. I play with Smogon tiers only so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fush Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I'm glad it's gone, even though most of my teams used Genesect. I play with Smogon tiers only so... Well, when you're battling on the Reborn server, you'll still be up against Genesects. For a while, at the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godot Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Imo, Genoseku is too good for OU, but too weak for Ubers... Oh Arceus.... its Manaphy all over again... TO THE BUNKERS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Monkey Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 I am honestly surprised by the amount of votes Genesect got for the bump up.... I thought it would be closer to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Don't bring smogon here, you evil thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Monkey Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 o.o apologies master! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skwayz Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Kyurem-B actually suck, I've played with/against it on smogon ladder and it's definitely meh. Not even a thraat atm. Genesect was ban not because it was 00berz powered, but mostly because when genesect was here, you had to run a team that wasn't gene-weak. Heatran is basically fucked with u-turn+duggy, not really viable.(shed shell heatran was played because of that.) Rock polish gene is an auto-win against most offensive/heavy offense team that lack a fire type (they most likely never because SR weak). He was really changing the meta way too much because of his versatility. I was part of the one who voted for it's ban, and it's really cool it's gone. It open space for other mons on teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I don't like legendaries, and when you need another legendary or something extra special to counter something, it just might be too powerful. Even if you have a fire type, they just switch out and continue with business. And then bring it out again to wreak more havok. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiozo Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I'm for one, glad it was banished. It confirms my suspicions personally. As far as effecting Reborn's tiers, that's only indirectly and it effecting us is irrelevant to the main post anyway which was about Smogon. Keep in mind that we don't forbid talking about Smogon either, or else there's a LOT of things that should be forbidden under the same mindset. As far as Ame's talk about tiers; that's about how the tiers are done, not the Pokemon in each. too good for OU, but too weak for Ubers... That's not the issue on Smogon; because they follow the ideal that you have to treat it in the confines of it's own tier. You only look at the Pokemon in the tier the suspect is in. If the suspect is overcentralizing, overpowerful, etc, than you move it up. Likewise, if it's too lackluster, it goes down. This mindset makes things a lot less of an issue; especially considering that Ubers was originally designed as a ban list anyway for all intents and purposes. Even if that's not the case here, it's still a better procedure. Anyway; Genesect suppresses stall well, a bit too well. There's only three things in the OU meta here that are walls and can effectively not get SE'ed by it, and even then only two of them can live repetitive attacks. On top of that, they're only soft counters because they really do nothing to stop it outside of T-wave, which they usually don't run on most teams I see since they're the teams dedicated walls if anything, or they run a fire move, which means HP Fire on one, or Flamethrower on another and both choices are not used either. I'm rambling. I'll elaborate if this gets brought to the standard suspect criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow♠ Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Well, when you're battling on the Reborn server, you'll still be up against Genesects. For a while, at the least. I don't battle much on the server and when I do, it's no one from here :L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Desire Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Mm..Dosn't really effect me on it's ban since i don't Ladder on PS but i think it was about time it got banned =x Even though i love it dearly and have it on nearly all my teams, it's just to OP and it's coverage is just to well. D: Of course Heatran can counter it (if Gene isn't running Hp Ground) seeing as it's only legit counter, it doesn't deserve to be in OU. But of well, i'll just be another non-used poke in the Ubers Tier in Smogon's eyes. =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Genesect's been banned once again for people not paying attention. Link here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-ou-suspect-process-round-1-voting.3499835/page-6#post-5244983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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