DarkFighter15 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Reveal hidden contents Greninja @flying gem (Protean) Ev- 252 spd 126atk 126sp atk Acrobatics Surf Extrasensoer/gunk shot Dark pulse Blaziken @wide lens Ev- 252atk 252hp Hi jump kick Blaze kick Bulk up Thunder punch Aegislash @leftovers Ev- 252atk 126 def 126 sp def Speed hindering nature King's shield Swords dance Shadow claw Sacred sword A-ninetales @light clay (snow warning) Ev- 252sp atk 252spd Blizzard Nasty plot Moonblast Aurora veil Serperior @wide glasses (contrary) Ev-252sp atk 252spd Leaf storm Giga drain Hidden power rock Glare Nidoking @lifeorb (sheer force) Thunder punch. Power 127 Ice punch. Power 127 Earth power/bulldoze. Power 152/101 Sludge wave/poison jab Power 160/138 Increase in power due to life orb sheer force combo without stab Or Any suggestions will be appreciated:) Edited March 15, 2018 by DarkFighter15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpurgis Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I personally like more the other one, but this is probably better. If you are going with thunder and ice punch then it's probably to go full physical with poison jab and bulldoze until you have thunderbolt and ice beam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFighter15 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 The for the suggestion. Also if you know a better ground type than nidoking which can also cover electricity then I can replace it. I can't makes up my mind as to which Pokemon to keep for strong ground coverage (electric also in team one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpurgis Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Thunder Punch: Flygon, Rhyperior, Diggersby (all via tutor) Thunder fang: Silvally-Ground, Gliscor, Hippowdon (all via move relearner), Krookodile (breeding) Wild charge: Diggersby (tm) They are not exactly better, just different: Diggersby has enormous attack due to its ability, its speed is like Nidoking's, so it will get outsped regularly unless it sets up an agility. Rhyperior is quite bulky and aurora veil+solid rock+assault vest guarantee that it will eat hits and it will hit back hard. Flygon has the dragon type and levitate + access to dragon dance, so it can set up behind aurora veil and then attack. Silvally is like Nidoking in the sense that it has a very wide movepool, but is less powerful and a bit bulkier. Gliscor and Hippowdon are great defensive mons, but I don't know if they fit in an aurora veil team. Both can set up stealth rocks, eat hits and recover damage. Gliscor can also be more offensive and run swords dance to hit really hard, but it's the only one in the list that doesn't learn any good ground move since there is no earthquake tm yet, so you would be stuck with bulldoze until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFighter15 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 12:54 PM, walpurgis said: Thunder Punch: Flygon, Rhyperior, Diggersby (all via tutor) Thunder fang: Silvally-Ground, Gliscor, Hippowdon (all via move relearner), Krookodile (breeding) Wild charge: Diggersby (tm) They are not exactly better, just different: Diggersby has enormous attack due to its ability, its speed is like Nidoking's, so it will get outsped regularly unless it sets up an agility. Rhyperior is quite bulky and aurora veil+solid rock+assault vest guarantee that it will eat hits and it will hit back hard. Flygon has the dragon type and levitate + access to dragon dance, so it can set up behind aurora veil and then attack. Silvally is like Nidoking in the sense that it has a very wide movepool, but is less powerful and a bit bulkier. Gliscor and Hippowdon are great defensive mons, but I don't know if they fit in an aurora veil team. Both can set up stealth rocks, eat hits and recover damage. Gliscor can also be more offensive and run swords dance to hit really hard, but it's the only one in the list that doesn't learn any good ground move since there is no earthquake tm yet, so you would be stuck with bulldoze until then. Expand Thx for the suggestions I will try rhyperior but it doesn't have any setup moves though Silvally is useless cuz it is not good in any particular stat and is an item less and ability less Pokemon And I will try the rest as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFighter15 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) On 3/15/2018 at 12:57 PM, Mr. Finn said: I would recommend you to make all the EVs a number multiple of 4, like 128 or 252, because 126 doesn't fill one stat point, it will be the same as 124 EVs. For Nidoking, I'd recommend using Special Attacker (Timid) with Earth Power, Sludge Wave, Flamethrower and another move that uses Special Attack and that gets the effect removed by Sheer Force (recoil included). Expand Oh thx for pointing that out:) I will surely fix it Also sheer force doesn't remove recoil from moves only beneficial added effects are removed except high crit hit chance and recoil from life orb is removed Also thx for suggestion but I can't make it fully special cuz I need thunder punch its the only electric move in my team:) Edited March 15, 2018 by DarkFighter15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Roserade > Serperior just sayiing (again) haha Both teams are good enough in my opinion, I would favor your new one more because of Nidoking. Shadow Ball is an option to it, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFighter15 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 2:35 PM, Trufa said: Roserade > Serperior just sayiing (again) haha Both teams are good enough in my opinion, I would favor your new one more because of Nidoking. Shadow Ball is an option to it, right? Expand How is roserade better than contrary serperior? Please explain Unfortunately shadow ball is not an option since I have started in ep 17:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Because it's one of my favorites! Just Kidding. Looking at stats, Serperior is faster and has more Defense. Roserade has far more superior Sp. Atk stats and since both usually work better on Timid Nature, they both will be fast enough to hit their target. They are normally set up to battle water, rock and ground, which statistically have medium speed 70; 64; 69, respectivelly. Throughout my last run on Reborn, I didn't find a opponent faster than my Roserade, perhaps a oponent with Trick Room could. By heart now, I could say Greninja, Aerodactyl and Garchomp that have those typings, are faster enough (if well trained) and could give some trouble beause of movepool. Talking about movepool, Roserade has access to a better movepool than Serperior. Supposing both being Special attackers we have: Serperior has access to: Giga Drain, Leaf Storm, Solar Beam, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, Magical Leaf < all grass moves. Roserade has access to: Giga Drain, Leaf Storm, Solar Beam, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, Magical Leaf, Extrasensory, Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball, Dazzling Gleam. Contrary Serperior + Leaf Storm is indeed strong, I have to agree, though I don't know if Contrary has effect on its 90% accuracy. Techinician Roserade + Magical Leaf gives 90 BP plus inability to miss, assemble this with 125 base Sp. Atk and I think you'll have a better grass attacker. Also, both have access to Grassy Terrain, but Roserade have access to Toxic Spikes, giving more usefulness to a team. Serperior also can make use of Work up, Calm Mind and Swords Dance TMs but it doesn't work with Contrary. Puting both face to face in a battle, even if Serperior paralyzes Roserade with Glare, Roserade will have advantage because of Poison type. A good Sludge Bomb or HP Fire/Ice could take Serperior out soon enough. I say Roserade is better than Serperior because it can hit as harder and as faster as Serperior and also gives the trainer more options for coverage and utility than Serperior, which seems to be the point of your team. You may have more coverage for Seperior if you use it as physical attacker because of Aerial Ace, Brutal Swing and Dragon Tail but those 3 have 60 BP and don't synergise with Contrary. Edited March 15, 2018 by Trufa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFighter15 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 4:01 PM, Trufa said: Because it's one of my favorites! Just Kidding. Looking at stats, Serperior is faster and has more Defense. Roserade has far more superior Sp. Atk stats and since both usually work better on Timid Nature, they both will be fast enough to hit their target. They are normally set up to battle water, rock and ground, which statistically have medium speed 70; 64; 69, respectivelly. Throughout my last run on Reborn, I didn't find a opponent faster than my Roserade, perhaps a oponent with Trick Room could. By heart now, I could say Greninja, Aerodactyl and Garchomp that have those typings, are faster enough (if well trained) and could give some trouble beause of movepool. Talking about movepool, Roserade has access to a better movepool than Serperior. Supposing both being Special attackers we have: Serperior has access to: Giga Drain, Leaf Storm, Solar Beam, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, Magical Leaf < all grass moves. Roserade has access to: Giga Drain, Leaf Storm, Solar Beam, Energy Ball, Grass Knot, Magical Leaf, Extrasensory, Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball, Dazzling Gleam. Contrary Serperior + Leaf Storm is indeed strong, I have to agree, though I don't know if Contrary has effect on its 90% accuracy. Techinician Roserade + Magical Leaf gives 90 BP plus inability to miss, assemble this with 125 base Sp. Atk and I think you'll have a better grass attacker. Also, both have access to Grassy Terrain, but Roserade have access to Toxic Spikes, giving more usefulness to a team. Serperior also can make use of Work up, Calm Mind and Swords Dance TMs but it doesn't work with Contrary. Puting both face to face in a battle, even if Serperior paralyzes Roserade with Glare, Roserade will have advantage because of Poison type. A good Sludge Bomb or HP Fire/Ice could take Serperior out soon enough. I say Roserade is better than Serperior because it can hit as harder and as faster as Serperior and also gives the trainer more options for coverage and utility than Serperior. You may have more coverage for Seperior if you use it as physical attacker because of Aerial Ace, Brutal Swing and Dragon Tail but those 3 have 60 BP and don't synergise with Contrary. Expand Reveal hidden contents You are right in saying that roserade has better coverage and both are fast but serperior will hit very hard after it uses leaf storm thrice that too under the aurora veil and after that it can use giga drain to recover all the DMG loss and HP rock covers all the weaknesses of serperior except poison so it will definitely hit a LOT harder than serperior and also it learns dragon pulse for a bit more coverage Only problem with serperior is it will get walled by steel types and poison types will give it trouble but that should be easier to deal under aurora veil So I think serperior will be better but thx for suggestion:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 @DarkFighter15 You made your point. As I said, I prefer this new team. Yet, I don't see a scenario where you would use leaf storm thrice (long time no see this word lol) maybe against Amaria. Best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFighter15 Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 4:43 PM, Trufa said: @DarkFighter15 You made your point. As I said, I prefer this new team. Yet, I don't see a scenario where you would use leaf storm thrice (long time no see this word lol) maybe against Amaria. Best of luck Expand Thx:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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