[V10/Where love lies spoilers] Theory

[Pozyher]

After replaying the keta episode and seeing the cutscene, i thought about something.

This red head girl appears to rewind time so that we don't find out too soon about Taelia. Later on the same girl appears and pushed Taelia and Nora to their death. However we can see that Nora is petrified ( literally ) rather than dead. And there is an Yveltar there as well. In Kugearen City there is a journal about someone knowing exactly what shadow pokemon are and how to actually save even the rift mons. In the last page they are about to say who the savior is while MadameX appears out of thin air and steals the book , the same way the red head appeared in the cutscene. Also Cella, when Sheridan was only 3 houses and a few bridges ( in the past ) knew what shadow pokemon are and also knew that Vivian's madness is exactly that but for humans. Moreover, MadameX has said that the Diamond Time ( i think thats how its called, i forget the exact name sorry ) has been in her possesion for a long time and that she has used it so many times that it lost its brightness.So here is my thoery:

That red head was in the possesion of the Diamond Time.She is also MadameX in her early days.She wasnt the one that wanted Taelia dead but she didnt try to prevent her death because if she died Aelita would be born, who is ( i believe ) part of either the Light or the Dark prophecy.However she "saved" Nora from her death by petrifying her wile pushing Taelia to her death. Nora has the same hair color as Nastasia and if they are the same person she would now be in her early 20's :thinking_emoji:

MadameX says that she had the diamond time for a long time and the red head clearly uses something like time manipulation or time rewind in the past.

The one who wrote that journal was Cella ( the one in the Kugearen city ) as she is the only one that has been alive since then that has shown knowledge on that matter.

I also have a question. Since MadameX can rewind time, why didnt she do so when she found out that Melia died? Can she only rewind time if she is present?

For example if she is in America and a tragedy happens in the U.K she cant rewind time to prevent that specifc event but if she was in the U.K during that incident she could? And if that is the case why didnt she rewind time to the point where she would arrive in Route 2 ( i think thats the place ) before Melia , and when Melia did arrive either catch her herself or let Zetta finish the job? Am i missing something on how that Diamond works?

[Dreamy]

One thing I'll mention is that Nastasia is Anastasia, the girl from keugearen we see who studies with maria, and later finds the deoxys after we defeat it during the meteor shower on route 2

[Meruem]

1 hour ago, Pozyher said:

Am i missing something on how that Diamond works?

I don't think anything about it was properly explained, and I don't think it ever will be. Honestly, giving any character an item as bullshit as this one opens up an insane amount of plot holes. There is just no way a random brat trainer, that is the protagonist, or his friends can even accomplish to do anything against a supposed omnipotent antagonist that can literally go to any point in time and do whatever they want to. It basically makes it feel like there is no point at all to the story that's being told. Either the antagonist is going to prevail as expected or there are going to be even more plot holes, because the only way you fight this type of bullshit is with even bigger bullshit.

Based on the explanations given so far, you can come up with millions of theories that would make as much sense as yours and whatever way the plot is actually heading, but none of them will ever be acknowledged or denied/given proper explanation on why they can't be true. To begin with, the introduction of time travelling to this story was, in my opinion, one of the worst things that could've happened to it. At this point in the story, the time mechanisms, including the magic warping crystals and these omnipotent tiempa, spacea and crescent beings, are very poorly explained and make the plot too inconsistent and senseless.

Time travel is not an easy thing to get done in story writing, so I'm not expecting a perfect story where everything is explained well and the plot headed the way it did because it absolutely had to. Convenience and light ass pulls are fine, but I don't think even these minimum requirements were met.

[leo_the_greatest]

2 hours ago, Gore said:

I don't think anything about it was properly explained, and I don't think it ever will be. Honestly, giving any character an item as bullshit as this one opens up an insane amount of plot holes. There is just no way a random brat trainer, that is the protagonist, or his friends can even accomplish to do anything against a supposed omnipotent antagonist that can literally go to any point in time and do whatever they want to. It basically makes it feel like there is no point at all to the story that's being told. Either the antagonist is going to prevail as expected or there are going to be even more plot holes, because the only way you fight this type of bullshit is with even bigger bullshit.

Based on the explanations given so far, you can come up with millions of theories that would make as much sense as yours and whatever way the plot is actually heading, but none of them will ever be acknowledged or denied/given proper explanation on why they can't be true. To begin with, the introduction of time travelling to this story was, in my opinion, one of the worst things that could've happened to it. At this point in the story, the time mechanisms, including the magic warping crystals and these omnipotent tiempa, spacea and crescent beings, are very poorly explained and make the plot too inconsistent and senseless.

Time travel is not an easy thing to get done in story writing, so I'm not expecting a perfect story where everything is explained well and the plot headed the way it did because it absolutely had to. Convenience and light ass pulls are fine, but I don't think even these minimum requirements were met.

I'm unsure at what point Madame X even went to the past, so it could have been far earlier or later given that her attitude was entirely different at Blacksteeple versus throughout time travel. Additionally, she may have intentionally let Melia get away as part of fulfilling the prophecy as she obviously could not have kept her chained up for some reason, which is why she went to live with Jenner in the first place. 

[Ice Cream Sand Witch]

In Aquamarine Cave, Saki mentions that it was a red-haired girl named "Frey...something" who opened the door to the chamber Saki was in when we found her. 

 

 

Another interesting thing is a revamped character design in V10.

 

 

This is the new design for the guy in Valor Mountain who gives you the Emotion Powder. Notice any similarities?

 

My current hypothesis is that she's the "Frey...something" that Saki mentioned, and that she's connected to the Emotion Powder guy. I don't think she's Madame X for a few reasons, one of which contains minor true ending spoilers and one of which contains V10 spoilers:

 

1. If she's connected to the Emotion Powder guy, which I'm assuming based on outfit and eye covering similarities: the Emotion Powder guy helped us climb Valor Mountain and wanted us to defeat Team Xen.

2. In the true ending, the red haired girl mentioned Team Xen getting in the way. 

3. The red-haired girl said that only love can save the world. Madame X doesn't understand love as mentioned by Melia at the end of V10, mistaking Melia x Venam as friendship.

 I don't have an answer for "Why was Yveltal there?" or "Why did she have the Time Diamond?" though.

 

[Cyphre]

I kinda forgot about this Emotion Powder guy completely, so, there are few possibilities it seems.

 There is another time travelling organization besides Spacea and Tiempa company, which would make 4-6 sides to this conflict: Spacea-Tiempa, Team Xen, Arceus Cult (i.e. Theolia and Darkdevoir) and White Organization (by their clothes), also it is possible that Crescent and Puppet Master are either with White Org, or working alone (or together). Also the wild card here is April-Krystal with Nim, as we also dont know on which side are they. However, it should be noted that judging by what Red Haired Girl said, Whites are trying to SAVE the world, whatever that means for them.

However it is the petrification that interest me the most. Since we have clearly seen only 2 (i think) situations, where people were petrified. 1) GDC incidents and 2) Nim petrification. And one thing i would like to notice, is that it seems that both of them can be cured, in fact, Nim came back to life after it. So i think that opens up another possibility.

That Madame X is Nora.

Taelia basically sacrificed her life, protecting Nora. And she doesnt really understand human emotions, because her soul was taken. 

[fireheart4560]

Finally beat -1 myself

 

My heart hurts

[murloc_rampage]

In truth, Madame X could really be anyone. The manipulation of time opens the door for any character from the past, present or future to be her. It could be Maria for all we know, especially since... isn't it a little strange that she seems to spare the player? That she didn't just kill you after the battle with her Yvetal? She chased you... without even really going after you. She has the Time Diamond... but lets Melia stop her with the turrets. She killed your mother and could have kept pushing until her blade pierced you as well. After all, she literally picked our mother up with her sword and tossed her aside. She appeared in Maria's past to make tell her to remember who she is and last we saw of Maria, she and her father 'had a lot of catching up to do'. That Maria could be the Maria from the start of the game who's powers awakened in light of her sacrifice and Indriad had to stop the ritual. After catching up, Maria could have discovered her mother's sacrifice was something done to protect her. After killing Indriad, she leaves and discovers that the player is not a part of her world. Feeling alone, she realizes no one is going to help her but herself because no one else can. She then finds the Time Diamond, or is given it, and uses it at first to better herself, fearing she may disappear if she changes her past to much, which later on she discovers to not be true, and turns into Madame X fully. She then uses it to go back to tell herself to never forget, but also goes back further to make a branching timeline by getting her father to give up the cult. Gardevoir doesn't like it, but goes along with it until she realizes his family is blinding him from his real mission, the mission she wants him to complete. I know this is wrong, because Madame X just does not seem like she's either Maria or Melia. Her mother died protecting her, and that could mean Maria if her mother did do that and Indriad admits it in their discussion. Melia is too much of a wildcard and honestly... kind of a copout/obvious choice. I just feel like it'd be too... simple for this kind of story. The two are completely different as well because Melia was given to Jenner when she was a baby. As Indriad once said, it is not those that are chosen, but merely those that 'fit the description'. Maria and Melia look identical because they were born to 'fit the description' and both have powers. So the question is, does changing your appearance make that null and void because if so, that could make Melia be born despite Madame X fitting the description beforehand but changed her hair color to go against it. I know this is a long shot, but I feel like thinking out of the box for this story is a good idea.

 

One other reason I feel as though it could be Maria, is if Nastasia is actually Anastacia, her childhood friend who wanted to help her because they were good friends. Even though Maria because a cold calculating person, Nastasia feels a sort of loyalty to her due to their past friendship and maybe a bit of fear. Team Xen did in fact have those Deoxys clones so Anastacia could have been the one to supply her Deoxys after joining the team.

[Gardevoir4president]

How do you get the true ending for Verison -1? i thought i did get it but

the red haired girl never mentioned team Xen?

 

[Ice Cream Sand Witch]

@Gardevoir4presidentYou'll know you got the true ending if after everything, she meets you and gives you an explanation.

 

I don't know all the conditions myself, just that getting all the Pokemon is one of them. I set my TrueEnding variable to 17 in order to see it.

 

PS: I edited your post to put that detail under spoiler tags, since the detail being referenced was under spoiler tags in my post. 

[Gardevoir4president]

Thank you for the help

[Tomek]

Spoiler

Finally got the true ending! I still dont know how to use capsule keys...
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