Official Super Smash Bros. Thread for Wii U and 3DS

[RadiantRegalia]

It's too soon to be a completely new game. Nintendo news sites seem to think the source is legitimate so it's possible this is true, but I'd rather hear from Nintendo themselves before I believe anything.

I believe that, if this is true, it's simply gonna be a port of the Wii U version that will probably add Ice Climbers since they were completely finished on Wii U back in early development of the game, before they got scrapped thanks to 3DS. But that's the only reason I see them getting in - because they were already done. Unless he's been hiding other characters from us (which I doubt), or is just feeling really generous and wants to continue giving us characters (which I also doubt), that will likely be it. I believe the DLC characters will still be available as DLC even in the port, or at least some of it like stages and third-party characters, but if it is all free then great.

I want to believe this is true. I'm skeptical about it though because Sakurai's said on several occasions that working on Smash isn't giving his team a chance to do much else due to the heavy workload it requires, and he's only just revealed the "final" DLC character. If he were to work on a NX port of Smash U, now would be the time while he's still got the game in his mind, but I find it hard to believe. He wants to do other things and has made a point on multiple occasions that he doesn't know if he wants to carry on with the Smash series because of the massive amounts of stress it puts him through at times.

There has been a port of Smash Bros. 64 on the Wii VC before (maybe Wii U too, I forget) but that's the only time a game has been ported, and that was unchanged besides the fact you could use different controllers to play it. The only reason I can really see a NX port happening is so he has a fair enough reason to add Ice Climbers to the game. Beyond that, I think it'd be better to just hold off until a new Smash game in 5 years or so for the NX, assuming there will be another one.

tl;dr I wanna believe it but I don't. Praying Ice Climbers will finally get in like they deserve.

Also free Wolf.

Edited January 29, 2016 by ShadowPulse

[Shadow Tack]

people saying icies will get in if sakurai releases another port.... the reason they aren't is is because they don't work on 3ds, a new port won't change tht, if one version can't get it anybody playing it cannot practice against that character

[RadiantRegalia]

That's not exactly true. He made the Wii U version and 3DS version side by side to make things "fair" for owners who could only afford one version of the game, but an enhanced port of the game that comes after the development of the original games doesn't necessarily have to follow that same rule of "fairness," simply because it's released after the original games. Besides, if they're going to use the exact same game to promote a new console, that's not going to encourage people to move on from the Wii U. A lot of people would see reason to get the NX for Smash alone if it added even one character that Wii U and 3DS doesn't have, and seeing as Ice Climbers are both well loved veterans and already complete on Wii U, it'd make perfect sense to add them. Granted, it's not a guarantee, and I've never personally said it was. But the possibility is there. Same with any character really, but them in particular have a higher chance purely because they were already finished, so little work needs to be done to get them into the NX port, if it exists. Adding any new character just makes sense really - any dedicated Smash player with money will flock to it because they'd feel they're obligated to try that new character as a Smash fan, anybody who liked the new character would be interested in the port and perhaps by the console, and as previously mentioned, adding extra content to the game will encourage people to move to the next generation for it. Sakurai is an unpredictable guy, so if he's involved in this then there's no clue as to what we can expect, but from a business perspective the logical thing to do in order to raise sales of both the port and the console would be to add new characters. I personally don't believe it will happen, but I do believe the possibility is there and I hope that it does happen if, again, this port truly exists.

You're free to have your opinion, I just hope I've made mine clear so that you might find it more agreeable is all.

[Shadow Tack]

That's not exactly true. He made the Wii U version and 3DS version side by side to make things "fair" for owners who could only afford one version of the game, but an enhanced port of the game that comes after the development of the original games doesn't necessarily have to follow that same rule of "fairness," simply because it's released after the original games. Besides, if they're going to use the exact same game to promote a new console, that's not going to encourage people to move on from the Wii U. A lot of people would see reason to get the NX for Smash alone if it added even one character that Wii U and 3DS doesn't have, and seeing as Ice Climbers are both well loved veterans and already complete on Wii U, it'd make perfect sense to add them. Granted, it's not a guarantee, and I've never personally said it was. But the possibility is there. Same with any character really, but them in particular have a higher chance purely because they were already finished, so little work needs to be done to get them into the NX port, if it exists. Adding any new character just makes sense really - any dedicated Smash player with money will flock to it because they'd feel they're obligated to try that new character as a Smash fan, anybody who liked the new character would be interested in the port and perhaps by the console, and as previously mentioned, adding extra content to the game will encourage people to move to the next generation for it. Sakurai is an unpredictable guy, so if he's involved in this then there's no clue as to what we can expect, but from a business perspective the logical thing to do in order to raise sales of both the port and the console would be to add new characters. I personally don't believe it will happen, but I do believe the possibility is there and I hope that it does happen if, again, this port truly exists.

You're free to have your opinion, I just hope I've made mine clear so that you might find it more agreeable is all.

my man issue is that i'm stuck on 3ds verson, so to me t would be a dick move if he decided to add a new character to a new version that i likely won't have access to

[RadiantRegalia]

Yeah, that's why they kept things equal between 3DS and Wii U. It is a dick move to add new characters to one version and not another for those that can't get the other version(s), but they never had any obligation to do it in the first place, that's just how Sakurai wanted to do it. With a port the chance that he could change his mind or someone else could work on the game and make it happen instead is entirely possible. It's not fair to people who can't get it, I understand. All I'm saying is that with it being a later version, it can be updated to have more so that it's actually enticing, and not just a lazy copy and paste so people who get it basically waste their money. Even if it was out right now, I wouldn't be able to get it right now either, so I do understand how you feel. The developers may not let that interfere with them expanding the game though, that's my point. I still think it'd be cool if they did add new characters though, just so if the chance ever arose to get the NX then they'd be available to use then, and if not, you can at least watch them in action and judge if you like them that way.

[Flux]

Assuming that this is the equivalent of an "Ultimate" version (such as Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3), then adding new characters that aren't in the old versions is actually very common and usually expected. Now, if this isn't an ultimate version and just another version of the game, I can understand why you'd be upset about a new character who's unique to that version. Only Soul Calibur has ever really done that to my knowledge, via their guest characters, and those characters are always banned in tournament because of it.

[Shadow Tack]

Assuming that this is the equivalent of an "Ultimate" version (such as Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3), then adding new characters that aren't in the old versions is actually very common and usually expected. Now, if this isn't an ultimate version and just another version of the game, I can understand why you'd be upset about a new character who's unique to that version. Only Soul Calibur has ever really done that to my knowledge, via their guest characters, and those characters are always banned in tournament because of it.

if they do add new characters i kind of expect it to be soul caliber style, so they're likely to be banned :/

[Omega_Ra1der]

[Dark Desire]

bayonetta's frame data looks amazing while corrin's looks about average but the range on his ariels look like they could be farther then marth's

and we'll be receiving these characters on the 3rd which is sooner than I thought

[Shing]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH BAYONETTA.

I'm going to be the best Bayonetta player in reborn >:V

Try to challenge me if you can.

[Another Felix]

You'll need to beat me to stand a chance.

[Shanco]

Bayonetta had a jab combo that did upwards of 30%. I can't imagine these are the iterations of the characters that make live, but ya never know.

Also overall I would say that Corrin's frame data was superior, especially on kill moves. Bayonetta's only reliable way of setting up her strong kill moves may be through Witch Time because the frame data on her smashes is awful. She also can screw herself out of a combo really easily due to that gun follow-up mechanic she has. But she definitely has the damage and the mix-ups. She'll probably be a solid mid tier. If you like skippy characters like Sheik, Greninja or Mario, you'll probably enjoy success with her right off the bat.

Corrin actually looks fairly decent as well. Fast mix-up zoner with smashes that Shulk wishes he had. Huge range on everything. Projectile that paralyzes. However his attacks seem to be highly committal and thus rely on prediction though, so I expect him to start off about mid-high in the tier lists then just freefall like Roy did. He seems to be more intelligence-intensive character than mechanics-intensive, so you'll probably excel with him if you main methodical characters such as Robin or Ganondorf.

[Shing]

Bayonetta had also frame 9 jab as i found out, which is the slowest jab as i have heard.

Also saw the japanese tournament. Oh boy ZSS and MK is going to get nerfed by their up air strings gone lol.

[Shanco]

Bayonetta had also frame 9 jab as i found out, which is the slowest jab as i have heard.

Dedede's and Zelda's are slower. Still, no one's got the damage on jab that Bayo does. It's crazy.

[Dark Desire]

Bayonetta had a jab combo that did upwards of 30%. I can't imagine these are the iterations of the characters that make live, but ya never know.

Also overall I would say that Corrin's frame data was superior, especially on kill moves. Bayonetta's only reliable way of setting up her strong kill moves may be through Witch Time because the frame data on her smashes is awful. She also can screw herself out of a combo really easily due to that gun follow-up mechanic she has. But she definitely has the damage and the mix-ups. She'll probably be a solid mid tier. If you like skippy characters like Sheik, Greninja or Mario, you'll probably enjoy success with her right off the bat.

Corrin actually looks fairly decent as well. Fast mix-up zoner with smashes that Shulk wishes he had. Huge range on everything. Projectile that paralyzes. However his attacks seem to be highly committal and thus rely on prediction though, so I expect him to start off about mid-high in the tier lists then just freefall like Roy did. He seems to be more intelligence-intensive character than mechanics-intensive, so you'll probably excel with him if you main methodical characters such as Robin or Ganondorf.

roy fell because of the lack of a neutral, bad recovery, and having to be in melee range as a sword user but with corrin, he has excellent spacing tools, range, decent kill power (untippered fsmash looked pretty weak), and one of the better if not the best recovery from a FE character and all while still having decent speed

right now i can predict him to fall a place or two below cloud on a tier list ( i think cloud is lower A tier atm ) and while bayonetta looks like a good character at a glace, I can't predict where she'll fall until release but what looks interesting about her is that with her projectile game she'll force you to come to her and with a well timed witch time, she can set up for combos/kill set-ups, and if her ariels have kill power, she could predict the launch angle and DI to pull off ZSS style kills with bair or upair

[Godot]

Bayo looks more like a cross between Fox and Zero Suit. Tall and awkward. Has a crazy combo game but relies way too much on them. If she can't get her combos off she will do shit for damage. In the direct they emphasized how her moves have a lot of start up time and her combos have a lot of landing lag depending on how long they are. You are not going to land all of your combos and will whiff which will be awk and leave you wide open. Being tall also sucks in a game like this.

Also I am excited for Corrin/Kamui because he is literally the one and only character archtype smash has never had before. A "Zoner that uses Melee attacks." We really needed a Dalsim, Axl Low, or Ghost Rider esque character and we finally have one. I am just a bit meh about it being Kamui over Bandanna Dee, Simon Belmont, or my main choice, Ephirarim from FE Sacred Stones. Kamui will still do though.

[Maelstrom]

I feel like with all the buffs to everybody else, Ike was left in the dust. He's got so little going for him now, it's sad.

[Shing]

I feel like with all the buffs to everybody else, Ike was left in the dust. He's got so little going for him now, it's sad.

Didn't ike get a huge buff in the previous patch that made him go up in tier list. Hell, a player named ryo so plays ike got top 8 in a major tournament(Mlg smash).

Ike is like the 3rd best swordman, behind Cloud and MK.

[Godot]

I feel like with all the buffs to everybody else, Ike was left in the dust. He's got so little going for him now, it's sad.

Dood... Ike is amazing. I almost made him my main hence why I suddenly got really good with him. I was going to main Ike, Fox, Mac, and Robin. Then they buffed Bowser by a shit ton. I might pick Lucario back up too.

[Maelstrom]

That buff was before. That buff isn't sufficient enough now.

[Dark Desire]

pretty sure ike is fine, i can't see him falling any lower then the top of mid tier

[Godot]

Opinions? http://smashboards.com/threads/first-official-4br-smash-for-wii-u-tier-list.429817/

I think Fox, Roy, and Lucas are all in weird places. but I have difficulty arguing this. C tier should also merge with B tier and has no right to exist.

[Shanco]

Way, way too soon. Especially with a patch coming tomorrow.

[Dark Desire]

some of the placements i really question is of that bowser being that high, lucas and peach being so low ( we've already seen what people can do when they master their character's infinites so i feel strongly that these two in time will be at least top 15, peach could easily settle somewhere within top 10) and ike being a bit low, i really don't see how lucario/wario made it above him

[Flux]

Tfw my main is a J tier...

But honestly, I can see why Puff is so low. She doesn't have a whole lot going for her outside of Rest, which has very few setups in this game. I did get 5th using only her at my locals, but I had to play a really defensive, well-spaced game in order to do that. I had a lot of trouble against a Lucina player I had in bracket, simply because Puff has such short range in comparison and no way to get in. I lost in both winners and losers bracket to two different Cloud players for similar reasons (Plus he's got some BS priority). Additionally, she doesn't have much of a combo game outside of some fair/bair carries off stage.

Outside of Puff comments, the only other comment I have from experience is regarding Lucas's placement. He seems a bit low to me. He's got some pretty good throw followups, pretty good specials, and some nice aerials. One of the tournaments I recently attended had a Lucas take second place after two really close sets. He was also the player that knocked me out of winners in that tournament, and he definitely didn't feel like an F tier. He's no Sheik, but I'd personally place him at least mid tier.