CodeCass Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 So I'm trying to prep for Luna and beyond. I could really use any tips on what could make my team any more solid, or what Pokémon I should have on rotation at this point to help in the future? Here's what I'm currently working with: Arcanine "D.D." Lvl 60 Ability: Intimidate - Flamethrower - Crunch - ExtreamSpeed - Close Combat Breloom "Penny" Lvl 60 @ Fist Plate Ability: Technician - Bullet Seed - Spore - Mach Punch - Wake Up Slap Araquanid "Rom" Lvl 60 Ability: Water Bubble - Lunge - Liquidation - Leech Life - Crunch Magneton "O-Zone" Lvl 60 Ability: Magnet Pull (Changing to Sturdy as soon as I can) - Discharge - Flash Cannon - Flash - Thunder Wave Krookodile "Mick" Lvl 59 Ability: Intimidate - Earthquake - Foul Play - Rock Smash - Crunch Gardevoir "Alustrial" Lvl 60 @ Twisted Spoon Ability: Trace - Moonblast - Psychic - Calm Mind - Magical Leaf I'm sure some things could be better. I wasn't sure what some good hold-items might be for the current iteration of the team. Any and all opinions or help would be much appreciated folks! Thanks so very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssreaper99 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I'd say get in a flying type for Samson as Gardevoir wouldn't be able to deal with him alone but solid team other than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvenlore Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Solid team. Without knowing exactly what items you have, you could put Charcoal on Arcanine to boost Flamethrower. With Luna, make sure you know what her field does and how you can turn it against her, or destroy it to even the battle. I've never used a Krookodile before so I don't know if they're bulky or not but I have a feeling Arcanine, Breloom and Krookodile might not tank m/any hits while her field is up, especially if those moves are super effective. If I recall correctly, she leads with Bisharp. My advice is to lead with Breloom and either put her Bisharp to sleep up and/or take it down before it can get rocks up. If they're up, Arcanine and Araquanid are gonna take a lot of damage on switch-in. With it being a dark type gym your Gardevoir isn't going to be massively useful unless you pick your moments and find a spot where she won't get straight up OHKO'd. A Calm Mind or two might be useful with a Moonblast but again, watch the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazenCrown254 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Get Krookodile out there first. Not entirely sure what she leads with it's been a while since I fought her but Earthquake will destroy the cavern she's in. Without her field effects it's probably the easiest battle, especially with an all around team like yours. I would definitely consider putting some items on your party though, even if they are just plates for now. There aren't a ton of game changing items available at this point in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arys Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Just catch all pokemon and level them when you need them, you've got easy exp. share. There's ability store, relearner and move tutor in circus too so you don't have to worry about not having good preparation. Rather than preparing for gym fight since everything isn't that hard if you spam revives know how to counter them, you might want to prepare for a tripe double-battle with Fern, Blake, Sirius and other extras. And maybe prepare for PULSE Swalot, that thing is nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) Nice team, you didn't mention natures and IVs, EVs so I have two things to say: Arcanine can be a great mixed attacker depending on the nature and EVs chosen, by it's move, I assume it's physical, so maybe change flamethrower with flare blitz, there is the recoil, but the damage will be better. For Luna Specific maybe you should use a Bug pokemon. Leavanny is extremely useful because of typing (bug and grass) and has strong moves + Swords dance. You also already have access to Heracross if you beat the tree puzzle on Route 1 and he'll be helpfull on your next battles. Both will struggle against Charlotte and Ciel, but you could use them as rotation Also, I have seen a lot of people using Araquanid lately, why? It has good defense stats but it's moves are usually offensive, I don't understand @Arys that triple battle gets everyone, GOD. On my last play, Julia and Florinia were there just to take some hits, didn't help sweeping at all lol. Edited June 12, 2018 by Trufa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeCass Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Trufa said: Also, I have seen a lot of people using Araquanid lately, why? It has good defense stats but it's moves are usually offensive, I don't understand Probably because the "Water Bubble" ability is godlike. Decreases fire damage, makes it immune to burn, and boosts water moves. Plus Leech Life got a boost to 80 power. So that, Liquidation, and Lunge all have pretty good offensive power when taking the Water Bubble boost and STAB into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @CodeCass So Liquidation go to 170 Power? Pretty impressive. I get it now. Still didn't catch my eye because of it's speed haha. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazenCrown254 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @CodeCass @Trufa While it's being discussed, for an all around water type would you go with Araquanid or a Protean Greninja? I've been using the Protean Greninja and it has solid IV's, but I'm not sure if the reason he's struggling is because I'm having a hard time finding a quality moveset or if it's something else. It's come up a few times where I've needed a heavy hitting water type and it seems like he has nothing but speed, it doesn't feel like his moves hit too hard at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @BrazenCrown254 My team has a Protean Greninja. For me he's one of the best water type, very fast and hitting hard when used correct. What moves you have and what is it EV/IV Spread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arys Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, Trufa said: @Arys that triple battle gets everyone, GOD. On my last play, Julia and Florinia were there just to take some hits, didn't help sweeping at all lol. IKR. Beating them makes me think that gym fight is easy-peasy especially single battle. And Julia and Rini in my game doesn't even take hit at all. I'm the only one who always got sweeped... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazenCrown254 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @Trufa I'd have to check his EV's when I get back on, pretty sure he's a 5 31 with a weaker Special defense? I've been using Water Shuriken, Extrasensory, Night Slash, and Hydro Cannon. I have the Psychic and Dark moves in there just for the Protean but I feel like worrying about his typing too much sets me back in battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeCass Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 @BrazenCrown254 I've only been using Araquanid as my main water type for a little while, but he's been quite solid at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) @BrazenCrown254 Double battles can indeed set you back because of protean depending on the opponent so let's consider Single battles: Greninja can be used to be Mixed sweeper, I see you have Night Slash there. The problem with mixed sweepers is that you need a nice nature (Naive for example) and the EV training has to be thought beforehand, also, Water Shuriken is not guaranteed to hit 5 times everytime. Greninja is a bit frail but compensates with it's speed, so in my opinion his best nature is Timid, which improves your speed, don't mess with defenses and because of it's base stats, I prefer using only special moves on it. That leads us to the moveset, I used for a while: Water Pledge, Extrasensory, Dark Pulse and Surf. Water Pledge you can learn pretty early in Lapis Ward for three blue shards (If I'm not mistaken) 80 power and 100 acc. Extrasensory and Dark Pulse + Protean makes it strong agains many foes because of STAB changing plus the same 80 power and 100 acc. Surf has 90 power but it's only there because Ice Beam TM is not available yet. After beating Amaria, I changed Water Pledge for Scald because the burn happens often and helps a lot. So this is my Greninja. Maybe you are not liking it because of the nature and EV training you chose, also, Hydro Pump has 80 Acc, you can't rely on it when in need, even with 110 power. -Edit- Ah! I think it's important to say that my Greninja is the only water type on my team, I have one grass type (Roserade) and ground type (Excadrill) but besides being water, one role of Greninja was taking out Psychic and Ghost Pokemon as the pokemon intended to do it on my team wasn't doing it well. Also, along with Roserade, they were my psychic types. If you still aren't convinced, take a look on Starmie, not as fast as Greninja, but it's bulkier and hits hard enough. I don't like Araquanid just because of it's speed, it's personal opinion only. Edited June 12, 2018 by Trufa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zelazko Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Get one fighting type for her tough Umbreon. I don't know if Brelom can handle Umbreon but my Primeape could with exceptionally high speed. If you play with SWM modular modpack check field effect dexter. As far as I know earthquake destroyed her field. For Umbreon (or any her mon) if it gives you trouble you can go kamikaze and make ceiling collapse with two earthquakes. It be good if your mon knew at least one bug type move it helps a lot against her Malamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonJones Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 With your current team, Luna is going to be a cakewalk. In case I'm wrong, bring my good old buddy Hariyama or Infernape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazenCrown254 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, Trufa said: @BrazenCrown254 Double battles can indeed set you back because of protean depending on the opponent so let's consider Single battles: Greninja can be used to be Mixed sweeper, I see you have Night Slash there. The problem with mixed sweepers is that you need a nice nature (Naive for example) and the EV training has to be thought beforehand, also, Water Shuriken is not guaranteed to hit 5 times everytime. Greninja is a bit frail but compensates with it's speed, so in my opinion his best nature is Timid, which improves your speed, don't mess with defenses and because of it's base stats, I prefer using only special moves on it. That leads us to the moveset, I used for a while: Water Pledge, Extrasensory, Dark Pulse and Surf. Water Pledge you can learn pretty early in Lapis Ward for three blue shards (If I'm not mistaken) 80 power and 100 acc. Extrasensory and Dark Pulse + Protean makes it strong agains many foes because of STAB changing plus the same 80 power and 100 acc. Surf has 90 power but it's only there because Ice Beam TM is not available yet. After beating Amaria, I changed Water Pledge for Scald because the burn happens often and helps a lot. So this is my Greninja. Maybe you are not liking it because of the nature and EV training you chose, also, Hydro Pump has 80 Acc, you can't rely on it when in need, even with 110 power. -Edit- Ah! I think it's important to say that my Greninja is the only water type on my team, I have one grass type (Roserade) and ground type (Excadrill) but besides being water, one role of Greninja was taking out Psychic and Ghost Pokemon as the pokemon intended to do it on my team wasn't doing it well. Also, along with Roserade, they were my psychic types. If you still aren't convinced, take a look on Starmie, not as fast as Greninja, but it's bulkier and hits hard enough. I don't like Araquanid just because of it's speed, it's personal opinion only. I definitely need to do some work with it's Ev's for sure. And you're right Water Shuriken has probably overstayed its welcome considering Greninja's speed is already great it probably doesn't need a priority move. I can always throw Surf back on in place of Hydro Cannon that makes sense. Does Greninja learn Scald through level up? If so I missed it but it won't be too much work to go teach him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @BrazenCrown254 IV Breeding and EV Training is something to mind if you want Reborn to be easy haha And if everything is set to Speed, as was mine, I didn't remember anything outspeeding Greninja. Maybe Solaris Garchomp at the triple battle but I really don't remember haha I have 28 pokemon 'in rotation' (I trained them just because I like, didn't even used during the playthrough) and the only one that outspeed Greninja is Crobat (all lvl 90, some with EV, IV and Nature that favors speed) so yes, you don't need a priority move on Greninja xD Regarding Scald, no, it only learns through TM, so only when you beat Amaria, water pledge is your best bet until then. @CodeCass Sorry for using your post to discuss another issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeCass Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Trufa said: @CodeCass Sorry for using your post to discuss another issue. No worries. Discuss away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazenCrown254 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @Trufa Do I fight Amaria after I raid Devon? I've been holding off on that event, getting as much EV training and breeding in as possible. And I've been looking at anything else I can do with Greninja; once I get Scald is it a good idea to breed a Greninja with Toxic Spikes as an Egg move? It's speed should guarantee I get at least 1 down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arys Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 EV training has pretty significant effect I say. And it doesn't take a lot of time, about 5-10 minutes per status, which means 1 pokemon took about 10-20. IV breeding tooks forever and doesn't give much effect I think. I don't know how people breed their pokemon IV (I heard something about tweaking save files) but if done in rightful way, it tooks way too lot of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazenCrown254 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @ArysFor IV breeding I started with an Eevee, got him up to as many 31s as I could. Then I gave him the bracelets and anklets to transfer the 31s. It's definitely a lot more complicated than that, but I honestly enjoy breeding a lot more, and it's most certainly achievable legit and isn't all that time consuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @BrazenCrown254 Unfortunalely, yes, way after. Spoils ahead: Spoiler You have to raid Devon, Battle Adrienn, Titania and then Amaria at the end of E17. Yes, it's a good idea, I didn't use Toxic Spikes on it because I had Roserade. @Arys At lvl 100, if you have IV bred, your pokemon have +31 at the status. You get +63 at the same lvl for EV training. So yeah, takes much time for less reward, but imo, it can be very helpfull if you have the patience. All my breedings were inside the game (without messing with the save files) if you guys need, I made a guide while ago that could help: The goal was Roserade, but the means can be used for any breeding. Also, I could breed pretty much anything (if the pokemon is available) if you guys need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arys Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @Trufa Nice guide there, but I don't think I'm going to start breeding anytime soon. I'll just bookmark it in case I got bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazenCrown254 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 @Trufa Damn that's a long ways away. So it sounds like I should just use Greninja the way it is now, maybe find a better replacement until I can get Scald and Toxic Spikes? And how prepared should I be for the Devon raid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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