Pokemon Reborn Pentaop is Here

[Candy]

I don't question Victoria's decision to try to stop us but if I were Kiki, I'd have liked her to stay out of it because it's already bad enough that I'm dying, for others to come in and make me feel useless at the one thing I thought I could do right- fighting. If Kiki says she wants to fight, even if that puts her into too much stress (as viewed by ppl surrounding her), I think she isn't a child incapable of making her own decisions or a woman who lost her ability to think things through, and thus her decision should be cherished. Doing as Victoria says, imo, is just satisfying oneself, making the excuse that I'm helping, or that I'm saving Kiki's life, even though her life won't be saved and Kiki will go with a sour memory of being useless at the time of her death. A long life feeling one is incomplete or a short life where one gives one's all- neither is a "correct" answer, but it's only Kiki's to decide.

But that's just my analysis and why I got fully immersed in the narrative. I don't dislike Victoria, but I don't like her either for making decisions on other's behalf (it didn't bother me as much when she did for Shelly tho because in her case she is a child).

[Wolfox]

3 minutes ago, Candy said:

I don't question Victoria's decision to try to stop us but if I were Kiki, I'd have liked her to stay out of it because it's already bad enough that I'm dying, for others to come in and make me feel useless at the one thing I thought I could do right- fighting. If Kiki says she wants to fight, even if that puts her into too much stress (as viewed by ppl surrounding her), I think she isn't a child incapable of making her own decisions or a woman who lost her ability to think things through, and thus her decision should be cherished. Doing as Victoria says, imo, is just satisfying oneself, making the excuse that I'm helping, or that I'm saving Kiki's life, even though her life won't be saved and Kiki will go with a sour memory of being useless at the time of her death. A long life feeling one is incomplete or a short life where one gives one's all- neither is a "correct" answer, but it's only Kiki's to decide.

But that's just my analysis and why I got fully immersed in the narrative. I don't dislike Victoria, but I don't like her either for making decisions on other's behalf (it didn't bother me as much when she did for Shelly tho because in her case she is a child).

yeah, that's completely unedrstandable. yet I can;t help but slightly agree with Victoria

[Angelkitsune]

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It is not until the Abyss that we get the bigger picture.

 

Also, I wonder, is perhaps Aya in the Abyss too? Perhaps she is having a nightmare and winds up in he Starry Divide?

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No,the Aya you see in the Void is part of Cain's memories.The real Aya is still in Labodorra meteor base I think...Besides you can't appear in the void because of nightmares,you have to get sucked into the void made by Gardevior just like Cain（；´д｀）ゞ , Luna,Samson or Ciel,and Gardevior (I think? we don't even know if the Gardevior used by Lin is G.Gardevior.

Edit:stupid Quote button why do you have to be so difficult to use.(ノ｀Д)ノ

Edited September 3, 2018 by Angelkitsune

[J-Awesome_One]

You know, speaking of Cain, can he actually use Strength? Like... do we know AT ALL if he went to battle his sister for her badge? (I haven't played E18 yet so sorry if the answer is obvious and I just seem stupid about it.)

[Wolfox]

6 minutes ago, J-Awesome_One said:

You know, speaking of Cain, can he actually use Strength? Like... do we know AT ALL if he went to battle his sister for her badge? (I haven't played E18 yet so sorry if the answer is obvious and I just seem stupid about it.)

I doubt he has the badge for it.

[Angelkitsune]

26 minutes ago, J-Awesome_One said:

You know, speaking of Cain, can he actually use Strength? Like... do we know AT ALL if he went to battle his sister for her badge? (I haven't played E18 yet so sorry if the answer is obvious and I just seem stupid about it.)

Getting the badge to use strength means paying his dear sister and beloved mother a visit,and we all know how Cain tries to stop you from going to the wasteland because he don't want any of his friend(s) to visit his family......now that I think of it why does Cain bother going to Apophyll anyway since he knows he won't be getting the Blight Badge.Unless he wants to teach one of his pokemon strength for battle only?

Edited September 3, 2018 by Angelkitsune

[wcv]

Mayhaps Cain already has the badge? He isn't doing things quite the way we are. Maybe he got the badge from Corey before the events of Beryl Ward happened. It could also be that he knows he'll have to let you meet his family at some point, but rationalizes not giving you the key because he wants to delay that as long as possible. Something like, "Well...they have to have Strength before they can use it too...so I can put it off just a little longer." So he's planning on getting the Strength machine, then giving you the key. That way he feels he's contributed something to this stage of the rescue. 

 

Remember, Cain isn't thinking rationally. He's already blaming himself for the whole situation in the first place for not being fast enough to save the kids from Meteor in the first place, AND the guilt of getting Heather captured by Sigmund in the first place. Doing something, ANYTHING, to help could help assuage the guilt could be his way of coping.

[J-Awesome_One]

That never even entered my mind with Cain possibly defeating Corey before... Well you know. But it's also hard to think that that could be the case. I mean it'd be weird for us to be ahead of him, then somehow he's ahead of us and then we get ahead of him. I mean Fern was behind but is now a step ahead of us when it comes to badges. Hell, he goes and beats Radomus (which btw, I'd have loved to see the convo between those 2) before we even get the chance to see him.

[wcv]

2 hours ago, J-Awesome_One said:

That never even entered my mind with Cain possibly defeating Corey before... Well you know. But it's also hard to think that that could be the case. I mean it'd be weird for us to be ahead of him, then somehow he's ahead of us and then we get ahead of him. I mean Fern was behind but is now a step ahead of us when it comes to badges. Hell, he goes and beats Radomus (which btw, I'd have loved to see the convo between those 2) before we even get the chance to see him.

Corey's team doesn't do well against Poison types, so I can see Cain's own poison type Pokemon beating him. And remember that when we face Fern before Radomus he isn't technically ahead of us. We're more or less even, as he has beaten Radomus, but he has not beaten Noel. What I'm thinking is basically that Cain beats Julia around the same time that we do, then goes over into Obsidia to face Florinia. Only, he doesn't have permission to enter the Park area due to his lack of Gym leader status/approval. So after we beat him at Onyx he tries to go face Florinia, only she's not available due to the Tangrowth situation. He talks to his sister around this time, they have another falling out and Cain, still thinking that Florinia's gym is closed off heads to Beryl instead, knowing that Corey is vulnerable to a type mirror. Using his Nidoking (which knows Earthquake) and Muk Cain squeaks a win against a distracted Corey, and is then informed by Corey that the Obsidia situation has been dealt with.

 

Cain hurries to Obsidia to face Florinia right around the time that we beat her, leaving Jasper shortly before the Tangrowth is activated (as Taka was waiting for explicit orders to turn it on and justified that as wanted confirmation from ZEL that the system worked properly). He also may have been instructed by Corey to wait until Meteor confirmed that Cain (former poison reserve leader) was out of the way before activating the system.

 

As we proceed to fight our way through Jasper and Beryl to defeat the Pulse Tangrowth's there Cain hears about what's happening, but isn't allowed back in, and so instead heads north to Lapis and defeats Shelly as we are battling Corey. He defeats Shelly, and heads up to battle Shade, beating that gym leader shortly after Shade got Corey's body. He beats Shade around the time that we beat Shelley, and then learns of Corey's suicide from Fern (explaining how the jackass knew where Cain was). Here we catch up with him at Beryl Cemetery.

 

That puts Cain more or less on the same spot as us, with him being a little ahead due to receiving Corey's badge and not having to fight Team Meteor in Jasper and Beryl. Thus when he decides to go to Apophyll he already can use the HM required.

Edited September 3, 2018 by wcv

[nepeta100]

Pentaop is here

[ZEL]

I'm not sure there's much of a point in trying to figure out whether or not Cain has enough badges to use Strength, anyway.

Dude surfs across the lake well before we are even close to the gym that enables it.

On a Muk.

[J-Awesome_One]

2 minutes ago, ZEL said:

I'm not sure there's much of a point in trying to figure out whether or not Cain has enough badges to use Strength, anyway.

Dude surfs across the lake well before we are even close to the gym that enables it.

On a Muk.

That is true… Unless he somehow beat Charlotte WAAAAAAY before we do. Haha.

[Wolfox]

Oh Cain beat Charlotte alright (Bow chicka bow wow~)

 

and with that obligatory one aside: It's Ethan West!

[nepeta100]

45:00 blooper clause???

[Alisae]

I just noticed that they’re rare candying their mons

[Wolfox]

I just noticed how much of a Sun and Moon team Aster and Eclipse have

[wcv]

28 minutes ago, Alisae said:

I just noticed that they’re rare candying their mons

One of them opened their bag several episodes (okay like 20) and there were a buncha Rare Candies.

[Tatertot]

32 minutes ago, Alisae said:

I just noticed that they’re rare candying their mons

Since they record episodes 3 at a time, they pretty much have to, otherwise Nappy would have to sit around waiting for 2 hours while Jay and Twit grind up new teams every episode.

 

I'm kind of glad they're doing that honestly to keep things going at a good clip, it's already basically going to take them until Episode 19 is out at the rate that they're going.

[TIP]

4 hours ago, Wolfox said:

I just noticed how much of a Sun and Moon team Aster and Eclipse have

True. I would even say in general they replaced too much old pokemon with Sun and Moon pokemon

[Dreamy]

I think at this point, with 2 people basically losing full teams just to aster and eclipse and other casualties across the board, I kinda want nuzlocke rules off. or some kind of variation.

[Tatertot]

28 minutes ago, DreamblitzX said:

I think at this point, with 2 people basically losing full teams just to aster and eclipse and other casualties across the board, I kinda want nuzlocke rules off. or some kind of variation.

Nuzlocke rules are what's interesting about it to me tbh, I'm doing my own Nuzlocke run and it's fun seeing who gives them trouble vs. who I have trouble with. Though if they keep losing mons at this rate I'm curious how they're even going to be able to continue, some of those PC boxes are looking pretty empty and there aren't as many event encounters in the next part of the story.

 

Some system where they're able to revive a few mons in their dead box could be interesting and necessary.

[LeoYT]

4 hours ago, Tatertot said:

Since they record episodes 3 at a time, they pretty much have to, otherwise Nappy would have to sit around waiting for 2 hours while Jay and Twit grind up new teams every episode.

 

I'm kind of glad they're doing that honestly to keep things going at a good clip, it's already basically going to take them until Episode 19 is out at the rate that they're going.

the problem is their mons aren't EV trained at all and thats why many of them die (That and they're a bunch of low tier nuzlockers) except for Jay because he's moved onto stage 5: Acceptance and learned his place

[Dreamy]

2 minutes ago, Tatertot said:

Nuzlocke rules are what's interesting about it to me tbh, I'm doing my own Nuzlocke run and it's fun seeing who gives them trouble vs. who I have trouble with. Though if they keep losing mons at this rate I'm curious how they're even going to be able to continue, some of those PC boxes are looking pretty empty and there aren't as many event encounters in the next part of the story.

 

Some system where they're able to revive a few mons in their dead box could be interesting and necessary.

I do like the large team variety it brings. There isn't really an elegant solution here I guess

[wcv]

Just now, LeoYT said:

the problem is their mons aren't EV trained at all and thats why many of them die (That and they're a bunch of low tier nuzlockers) except for Jay because he's moved onto stage 5: Acceptance and learned his place

Yeah, I think this might be the core problem. As noted above, they use Rare Candies to avoid a lot of grinding. Problem is that means their Pokemon have no EVs, or very few. Even the random distribution caused by normal training at least makes Pokemon stronger as time goes on.

 

And the REALLY scary thing about this is, it gets worse later. Its not until later in the story that opposing trainers have Pokemon with proper EVs. And what we're kinda seeing is what I was kinda worried about toward the beginning of the playthrough. The big boss battles can be hard, but that's expected. The low-level trainers like Aster and Eclipse have dangerous teams as well. Which means attrition, and the reality is that if you lose an average of one Pokemon every two or three trainer battles, that means you run out of Pokemon faster than they can be replaced. AND as noted also event encounters become less common later. Which means the loss rate compared to gain rate is going to get worse. At the moment, I'll revise my prediction. They won't lose at Charlotte or Serra, they'll eventually just be ground away by small battles here and there, until at least one player is just out of Pokemon.

[LeoYT]

The solution is to get good, and stop acting like the game is messing with them

Nexus Twit and Mo (especially Mo) still have their ego intact for some reason despite how many L's they've taken (granted Mo's is mainly plain anger for all the shit thats been going on)

They won't learn until a gym beats them all again without nappy making the excuse that all those crits were bs, he still lost on the second attempt but acts like he would have won

Nexus shouldn't have gooper anymore if he says "Fire is a shitty type" and therefore he doesn't deserve to have him

If you wanna thrive in Reborn you can't take anything for granted