The Last, Only, and Very Final X% Hype Thread

[Bananacake887]

5 hours ago, Z.. said:

dunno if this has been answered already, but will their be like a battle gauntlet where you fight all the devs? Like in Insurgence

Dev battles have been confirmed here, but I don't think there has been any mention as to if they are gauntlet-style or if each one is individual(though I would assume the latter is more likely).

[KingInfernal]

5 hours ago, Z.. said:

dunno if this has been answered already, but will their be like a battle gauntlet where you fight all the devs? Like in Insurgence

I remember that Ame or Cass said that we will fight the devs, but this won't be canon.

[TheRK9]

2 hours ago, Bananacake887 said:

Dev battles have been confirmed here, but I don't think there has been any mention as to if they are gauntlet-style or if each one is individual(though I would assume the latter is more likely).

I don’t think it could be a gauntlet. First off, there are a lot of dev fights (we don’t know how many, but a lot more than the current maximum of 3), and second, pretty much all of the fights seem to be among the hardest fights in the game, being even harder than Lin, the Elite Four and Gym Leaders. So if these were to be fought in a gauntlet, it would be borderline impossible.

[TheRK9]

6 hours ago, Draconis said:

I hope we get to steal Lin's Pokemon once we beat her lol

I doubt we get to steal Lin’s Pokémon, but maybe we get to take back Ame’s…

[Oscarus]

6 hours ago, Draconis said:

I hope we get to steal Lin's Pokemon once we beat her lol

Assuming that any of Lin's Pokemon actually belonged to her, and not being stolen. 

27 minutes ago, TheRK9 said:

I doubt we get to steal Lin’s Pokémon, but maybe we get to take back Ame’s…

That would be nice, to return what was stolen... 

But I still want her organs and bones. 

[OmegaStellarSolare]

1 hour ago, Oscarus said:

But I still want her organs and bones. 

I wish you hadn’t said that. And yet, I want Lin to perish into nothingness.

[Green Bean 501]

2 hours ago, TheRK9 said:

I doubt we get to steal Lin’s Pokémon, but maybe we get to take back Ame’s…

There's already an event where we can catch her Absol. But aside from Alolan Ninetales we don't even know what the rest of her party is, so Lin most likely has them. I wonder if we can take the dev battle as canon

[Kenneth]

I really wonder at what point in the story, we can access the Penthouse from the big mart. Lots of items in there i want to grab. Like the max happiness one.

[Oscarus]

2 hours ago, SolareSupremo said:

I wish you hadn’t said that.

Why? Is it that bad to collect "trophies" from the fallen enemies as a prove of ultimate victory? 

That actually would be kinda ironic, as Lin took Ame's Pokemon (and head) with her, so... consider this a vendetta. 

[Mr.Badass]

1 hour ago, Kenneth said:

I really wonder at what point in the story, we can access the Penthouse from the big mart. Lots of items in there i want to grab. Like the max happiness one.

I hope it’s before postgame.

[TheRK9]

4 hours ago, Oscarus said:

That would be nice, to return what was stolen... 

Hey, remember the conversation we had about a hypothetical champion team for Ame? We both said she would most likely Mega Evolve her Absol, but I thought of something...

Her Absol can still be seen after her death on Route 4, both before the Glass Gauntlet and also when we are allowed to catch it. This means that she didn't actually have the Absol with her when she fought Lin. Judging by this, it is safe to assume that Lin didn't actually use Absol for battling, but mostly sent it out to investigate or alert others throughout Reborn. Sooooo, she probably wouldn't actually use it on her champion team. So she probably uses Mega Lopunny instead.

[TheRK9]

1 hour ago, Kenneth said:

I really wonder at what point in the story, we can access the Penthouse from the big mart. Lots of items in there i want to grab. Like the max happiness one.

I really doubt they would give us such easy access to repeatable means of getting Choice items. I honestly think it would be pretty lame get access to Scarf before post-game at all, it makes a lot of stuff really easy. 
As for the other stuff, the Happiness thingy is mostly QoL, we already get like 8 Focus Sashes and you can farm Leftovers with Pickup.
So yeah, this is probably post-game if I had to guess.

[OmegaStellarSolare]

29 minutes ago, Oscarus said:

Why? Is it that bad to collect "trophies" from the fallen enemies as a prove of ultimate victory? 

That actually would be kinda ironic, as Lin took Ame's Pokemon (and head) with her, so... consider this a vendetta. 

Cherishing those "trophies" of the big bad that you call is no different from what Lin did to Ame. Besides, I hope you didn’t mean literally.

[Oscarus]

25 minutes ago, TheRK9 said:

Hey, remember the conversation we had about a hypothetical champion team for Ame? We both said she would most likely Mega Evolve her Absol, but I thought of something...

Her Absol can still be seen after her death on Route 4, both before the Glass Gauntlet and also when we are allowed to catch it. This means that she didn't actually have the Absol with her when she fought Lin. Judging by this, it is safe to assume that Lin didn't actually use Absol for battling, but mostly sent it out to investigate or alert others throughout Reborn. Sooooo, she probably wouldn't actually use it on her champion team. So she probably uses Mega Lopunny instead.

About that... 

I've already done the remake, and I have no intention of replacing/correcting it, considering how much work have I put into it. 

 

Also, that is just a theory - not a fact. Still, level 75 is quite low in comparison to Reborn... But very high in comparison to other canon Grand Champions in games (first battles) and manga (but that is just game logic) 

 

Regardless, that doesn't disqualify the potential battling capability of that Absol in-lore. So it theorically could be theee - plus Mega Absol suits Ame aesthetically more than Mega Lopunny, imo. 

 

[TheRK9]

4 minutes ago, Oscarus said:

I've already done the remake, and I have no intention of replacing/correcting it, considering how much work have I put into it.

I know, I'm not expecting you too, I won't be editing mine either, I'm just pointing out that both of use were most likely wrong about whether or not Ame uses an Absol in battle.

5 minutes ago, Oscarus said:

Also, that is just a theory - not a fact.

I mean, it is pretty much fact. We know Lin stole Ame's Pokémon, and we know Lin didn't steal Absol. The only logical conclusion is that she didn't bring Absol to a Team Meteor base raid, where she would expect to be forced to battle someone. 

6 minutes ago, Oscarus said:

level 75 is quite low in comparison to Reborn

Levels don't have that much of an impact on lore. It doesn't, for example, make sense that Corey's entire team is level ~30. It's mostly there for game balancing, if the Absol was level 100 we wouldn't be able to use it.

8 minutes ago, Oscarus said:

Mega Absol suits Ame aesthetically more than Mega Lopunny, imo. 

The Mega Lopunny was your idea, you put it on your first team remember? And it does fit quite well, considering Amethyst likes it and we find the Mega Stone in her office. It is definitely the second best option if we can conclude that she wouldn't use the Absol.

[Oscarus]

6 minutes ago, SolareSupremo said:

Cherishing those "trophies" of the big bad that you call is no different from what Lin did to Ame.

True, yes, agreed. Still, I'm not a 100% morally good. It's actually very hard (borderlining to impossible) to be a ultimately, purely good guy who always follows rules, is respectful to everyone, and is beloved by all existance. 

 

Heck, even Jesus Christ had lost a control over himself at least once, according to Bible - destroying stands, yeeting the money and throwing the merchants away. And it's not like they didn't deserve that; they were trading and bartering various goods... in a temple/church which for religious Jews was a holy place. In addition to that, those inside were acting no better than the animals they were selling. 

 

The actions shouldn't be taken as always morally right or always morally wrong. That depends on the situation:

• If you murder a person, this is very bad. But if you murder a (serial) murderer, or someone who was ready to kill you at any means (regardless if that was accidental or not), then the kill is not as bad; still murder, but the motive can be understandable. 
• Helping someone in moving things that are too heavy, too big or the the said person/people are tired, it is a good deed. But if that things you are transporting are a stolen goods from robbed house, shop or bank, then you are an accompliance of theft, no matter if you had an idea or not. 

Saying that "this and that" is good or bad just because... is wrong. There are other variables that must be taken into account, as: the circumstances, mental states of participants, motives, and others. 

Of course, I don't want to justify anyone - even if there are some extenuating circumstances, those aren't always enough to say that "the good deed was actually bad" or "the bad deed was actually good"; good can still be good, bad can still be bad. 

 

However, I do think that, in case, the worst of people deserve the worst of fates: ultimately, I'd like her to die over and over and over again, 'til the rest of the eternity, but I don't possess such powers. Maybe that's my desire to have evil get a taste of their own medicine... 

 

Nevertheless, I was, am and will be hoping that the Lin who did all those kinds of atrocities isn't the "real" one (or is simply brainwashed, just like Madame X from Kalos; NOT Aevium), and that we could be... friends. 

Wow... I am one heck of a walking contradiction, aren't I? 

 

 

[Oscarus]

15 minutes ago, TheRK9 said:

Levels don't have that much of an impact on lore. It doesn't, for example, make sense that Corey's entire team is level ~30. It's mostly there for game balancing, if the Absol was level 100 we wouldn't be able to use it.

 

25 minutes ago, Oscarus said:

(but that is just game logic)

. 

16 minutes ago, TheRK9 said:

The Mega Lopunny was your idea, you put it on your first team remember?

Was it? 

I don't remember, maybe yes. I do have some often irrational or controversial ideas. 

[Green Bean 501]

16 minutes ago, TheRK9 said:

Levels don't have that much of an impact on lore. It doesn't, for example, make sense that Corey's entire team is level ~30. It's mostly there for game balancing, if the Absol was level 100 we wouldn't be able to use it.

My head canon is that highly skilled trainers or Pokemon intentionally limit themselves and don't go all out. After all, they're supposed to be beaten. They only really go all out once you've become the strongest trainer in the region (like in Unovas's Elite 4) or in a really high stakes situation (like the Glass Gauntlet)

[Oscarus]

10 minutes ago, Green Bean 501 said:

My head canon is that highly skilled trainers or Pokemon intentionally limit themselves and don't go all out. After all, they're supposed to be beaten.

It's not "head canon" - it's reality. In all of the universes 

Otherwise, only veterans, other highly-skilled trainers or some prodigies could win at least one Badge.

[OmegaStellarSolare]

41 minutes ago, Oscarus said:

True, yes, agreed. Still, I'm not a 100% morally good. It's actually very hard (borderlining to impossible) to be a ultimately, purely good guy who always follows rules, is respectful to everyone, and is beloved by all existance. 

 

Heck, even Jesus Christ had lost a control over himself at least once, according to Bible - destroying stands, yeeting the money and throwing the merchants away. And it's not like they didn't deserve that; they were trading and bartering various goods... in a temple/church which for religious Jews was a holy place. In addition to that, those inside were acting no better than the animals they were selling. 

 

The actions shouldn't be taken as always morally right or always morally wrong. That depends on the situation:

• If you murder a person, this is very bad. But if you murder a (serial) murderer, or someone who was ready to kill you at any means (regardless if that was accidental or not), then the kill is not as bad; still murder, but the motive can be understandable. 
• Helping someone in moving things that are too heavy, too big or the the said person/people are tired, it is a good deed. But if that things you are transporting are a stolen goods from robbed house, shop or bank, then you are an accompliance of theft, no matter if you had an idea or not. 

Saying that "this and that" is good or bad just because... is wrong. There are other variables that must be taken into account, as: the circumstances, mental states of participants, motives, and others. 

Of course, I don't want to justify anyone - even if there are some extenuating circumstances, those aren't always enough to say that "the good deed was actually bad" or "the bad deed was actually good"; good can still be good, bad can still be bad. 

 

However, I do think that, in case, the worst of people deserve the worst of fates: ultimately, I'd like her to die over and over and over again, 'til the rest of the eternity, but I don't possess such powers. Maybe that's my desire to have evil get a taste of their own medicine... 

 

Nevertheless, I was, am and will be hoping that the Lin who did all those kinds of atrocities isn't the "real" one (or is simply brainwashed, just like Madame X from Kalos; NOT Aevium), and that we could be... friends. 

Wow... I am one heck of a walking contradiction, aren't I?

No matter what you said, people who thinks about murdering mercilessly, taking something what what the worst nightmare had will become the worst nightmare themselves. To be honest I think Lin was never kind to begin with. Did you know that Lin used to be an orphan at Connal's City Orphanage?

[Dark Legend]

50 minutes ago, SolareSupremo said:

No matter what you said, people who thinks about murdering mercilessly, taking something what what the worst nightmare had will become the worst nightmare themselves. To be honest I think Lin was never kind to begin with. Did you know that Lin used to be an orphan at Connal's City Orphanage?

I did know that! She could've started out as a good person, but that place probably changed her.

[OmegaStellarSolare]

58 minutes ago, Dark Champion said:

She could've started out as a good person, but that place probably changed her.

Sounds like a nobody who became the terrible nightmare.

[TheRK9]

2 hours ago, Green Bean 501 said:

My head canon is that highly skilled trainers or Pokemon intentionally limit themselves and don't go all out. After all, they're supposed to be beaten. They only really go all out once you've become the strongest trainer in the region (like in Unovas's Elite 4) or in a really high stakes situation (like the Glass Gauntlet)

This is canon. The issue is that it only applies to the "official" battles. The example that I mentioned with Corey still doesn't make sense, since Corey literally just wants to fucking kill you rather than him considering this to be a proper gym battle. Or any other battle with a remotely antagonistic character. Like we battle Sirius at like level 45.

[Oscarus]

1 hour ago, SolareSupremo said:

No matter what you said, people who thinks about murdering mercilessly, taking something what what the worst nightmare had will become the worst nightmare themselves.

I do murder, but it's a quick and painless death... Most of the time. That kind I savor for the worst. However... 

Spoiler

One either dies as a hero...

Or lives long enough to see oneself as a villain... 

40 minutes ago, Dark Champion said:

She could've started out as a good person, but that place probably changed her.

Either that... Or she was evil from the beginning. We still don't know. Only that she might've been either killed, or brought into coma-like state by Dr. Connal. But - regardless of what others say - I think the incident was purely accidentally. 

 

Sigmund may be obsessed with electroshock therapy... But that's because he is afraid. Afraid of what happened years ago - his sister Elizabeth (Lizzy), committed suicide, while being mentally ill. It was said that electroshock therapy was the best way to handle it, and to heal her. But Lizzy (most likely) hadn't wanted to, refused, and her state was so fatal... 

 

Sigmund blames himself to that day for the death, and sworn not to cause any of his patients to meet that fate. He's not a villain, he's an anti-villain; he wants Charlotte, Anna, Noel, Heather and the others to live happy life, thinking his methods are the right ones, but it's actually in reverse - just like Elias, he has a blind soul and doesn't see the wrongs in his actions; only the goods. 

 

Seeing that of his more known patients, there are 3 main Gym Leaders, and 2 Elite Four members - all of them functioning... rather normally, for Reborn standards, he thinks that his actions are leading his patients to light. That shock he'd received in the past might have completely twist his perception, but I don't think he wants them to suffer; he does all of this... to protect them. 

 

 

 

Saying and analyzing all of the characters, I've noticed someone. All but one character have some redeeming qualities; because of the painful past, harsh presence, bad company, being thankful for life to someone... 

As of V18, the only... THE ONLY... character that doesn't have any of these, is Sirius. 

 

This dude is a murderer, terrorist, arsonist, sadist, thief, and Arceus know what else. Not only he's having perhaps the worse crime track of all characters individually, he also has NO redeeming qualities. NONE! 

All of the other characters, who do bad and immoral things, have at least one solid reason or theory why they do that. Sirius has none, to my knowledge. 

He is human, feeling different emotions ranging from calm and static, to angry and irritated, to outright terrified. But yet, we have no clue why have he done all of this, and even more. 

I hope V19 will show the reason, if there's any. 

If none... I can see different scenarios. 

 

[TheRK9]

1 hour ago, Dark Champion said:

I did know that! She could've started out as a good person, but that place probably changed her.

If Saphira gets kidnapped in the Chrysolia Arc then Laura has some dialouge about it. It is also hinted at by Sigmund recognising her. 

And she didn't seem like a good person back then either. Although Lin is still pretty mysterious, since she is supposed to be around the age of Anna and Noel, yet suddenly this adult appears and takes over Meteor. There are some theories as to why this is the case which I won't get into, but look it up if you want.