Theories: Elite Four and Saphira: Teams

Outside Indoorsman · December 21, 2018

Currently, we are one episode away from the Dragon gym of Saphira and the Elite Four, as it says above - and while there are bound to be other major battles, like the final fight with Lin and likely a few postgame rematches, we haven't got any clear clues if Lin has a preferred type, and the rematches could go all sorts of different ways - but we can probably guess who we'll be fighting in the Elite Four, and where we will fight Saphira (The Dragon's Den).

I can also make guesses for the Elite Four: Do the following field matches sound right?

Saphira: (Dragon's Den) (Dragon type)

(There's very little chance it was going to be anything other then the Dragon's Den for Saphira's field)

Parson El: (Holy Field) (Normal type)

(Confirmed by Cain to be part of the Elite Four, and El's "Holy Man" rhetoric and the field itself really gives a big clue. Also, since he's part of Team Meteor, he could conceivably have PULSE-2's for at least one of his pokemon. Possibly more than just one of them, really...)

Heather: (Mountain Field) (Flying type)

(The only other places the Mountain field shows up is in the Ridge area and near Beryl gym, and it benefits Flying types a lot).

Anna: (Starlight Arena) (Psychic type)

(Anna hasn't been confirmed as an Elite Four member, but the only other candidates from the league I can think of are Connal (NO WAY) and Arclight (Maybe, but he's already busy)).

Laura and Bennett: (Flower Garden Field) (Grass and Bug types)

(Interesting idea I heard a while ago - that instead of fighting Laura or Bennett, we would fight Laura and Bennett in a double battle of 2v1. This seems like a cruel enough idea that Ame would do it).

I am not totally sure what pokemon they will have on their teams. Anyone else want to share their thoughts?

ZenChu · December 21, 2018

, i also Well i think that there are a few possibilities for Saphira’s team, something tells me she will use Mega Charizard X because if i’m right the dragon’s den boosts even fire type moves, then she will have Dragalge (for poison to counter fairies), Haxorus (that attack..maybe choice scarfed), Garchomp (seriously, he is devastating), a mixed Salamence (Sp.attack is importanto too) and then her ace: a bulky Dragonite D.dancer... for other teams i don’t know interesting idea for the pulse-2 mons for Elias and probably even Bennet, even if he left apparently team meteor he could use its devices i also didn’t choose hydreigon (so many weaknesses and i think only THE BIG BOSS will use him), goodra because i already put a Sp.Def mon and alolan exeggutor(don’t think is that strong).

Maybe Elite 4 has legendaries, Anna could have a jirachi

Edited December 21, 2018 by ZenChu

Outside Indoorsman · December 21, 2018

Mega Charizard X sounds good for Saphira, and so does Dragalge and Haxorus (probably not Naganadrel... I hope). Garchomp is already taken by Solaris and Terra, though, and Salamence is Heather's main pokemon. Goodra could fit for Saphira instead, and we know Dragonite is on her team for sure.

Not sure Bennett was high-ranking enough in Team Meteor to warrant a PULSE-2. Maybe he was, but Laura and the others would probably get him to turn it in to be looked over or something.

El is still loyal to Meteor, though, so he seems more likely to have a lot of them (that, and Normal-types aren't exactly known for their metagame position, so the boosts would likely help a good deal).

ZenChu · December 21, 2018

We have to think.. which pokemon could be defined connected to

holy? I’m not sure that we will face Dittoceus again

as for garchomp and salamence.. probably garchomp is used too much but not salamence, i think heather will use a mega stone on him while saphira no.. well i can’t wait the release of the 19 ep i’m too excited

Des Teto · December 21, 2018

Concerning E4, I don't think they will use strict monotype teams but more teams that take full advantage of the terrain where they're fighting. Even Gym leaders use non-monotypes team during late-game.

Bennet and Laura should be able to use the terrain efficiently with their Bug/Grass archetypes but I won't be surprised if I see Psychics in the Holy Field, Fairies in the Starlight Arena or Rocks and Ices in the Mountain field.

Also, I think we can add weathers in the equation. Remember the casual Titania's A-Sandslash lead that set up a free Aurora Veil. One can expect Sun/Rain against Laura/Bennet or Strong Winds against Heather.

Mayflower896 · December 21, 2018

On 12/21/2018 at 7:08 AM, Outside Indoorsman said:

we haven't got any clear clues if Lin has a preferred type,

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We do have one clue: Lin's position as dragon gym leader in the original reborn league. I don't expect her to use a full dragon team, since we will already battle Sapphira. There is also the presence of the Pulse Arceus Eve talked about, which Lin could use on her team.

Sirrobert · December 21, 2018

There's probably going to be a Flower Garden in there somewhere:

http://pokemon-reborn.wikia.com/wiki/Flower_Garden

Outside Indoorsman · December 21, 2018

Maybe all of them will have something slightly "different" from the others in their teams. I like the non-monotype idea though. Hm...

Saphira: Probably at least two pseudo-legendaries and Mega Charizard X.

El: PULSE-2s for everyone.

Anna: Only legendary pokemon of the bunch.

Laura and Bennett: 12v6 Double battle against both of them (we already did it with Cain and Shelly, as well as Radomus and Serra).

Heather: Not too sure... tailwind for the whole battle for her?

Lin: Maybe PULSE-Arceus, her Hydreigon, and likely a team with a lot of raw power/high stats.

nam23 · December 21, 2018

Considering Shelly's rebombee, Anna might use mostly fairy type and fabulous pokemon like shaymin,manaphy,meloetta,victiny, diancie,magearna,melmetal,marshadow(as a gift-link to shade maybe) hoopa(she is often able to see past what other people don't, like hoopa is able to travel through worlds)

El : pulse 2 for everyone and : ditto, keckleon(which in addition might help him to sneak on peoples),drampa(normal dragon to benefit of the holy field bonus to dragon attack), tutankafer(not a normal but it fits the holy place theme and gives him a counter to fighting type),ronflex(one of the best normal type)or bewear/ stoutland( loyal followers), blissey/mega audino(as medics and to incarnate the naive sheep he leads,braviary/mega pidgeot,transe-mode darumitan(like tutankafer he is a protector of "sacred places" and could give him coverage)

Heather: no real idea but mega salamence and her father's crobat as main aces

Outside Indoorsman · December 21, 2018

Anna: Probably going to be Fairy and Psychic types, yeah. But a team full of legendary pokemon would just be something totally out of the blue - Nostra/Jirachi is pretty heavily foreshadowed, at least.

El: Ditto might not be too good for the field and is sort of Gimmicky - Kecleon I can see working, Drampa was something I thought he would have, Blisesey/Chansey and Mega Audino make sense. Tutankafer? I think you mean Cofagrigus - and Ghost types kind of suck on the Holy Field. They get all attacks dropped to 50% power, are vulnerable to Normal attacks, and Curses are lifted every turn. Good thinking with Zen Mode Darmanitan - I was sort of disappointed there aren't any fields that automatically trigger Zen Mode. Bewear and Stoutland are both good too.

Heather: I am ashamed that I forgot about Corey's Crobat, and I can totally see her taking it in. And it was heading north anyways, so good work remembering that. Thank you.

Outside Indoorsman · December 31, 2018

Here's my current theory on the Elite Four and Sapphire's teams for when we go against them (presuming the Elite Four are going to be monotype battles) - there are no legendary pokemon or Z-moves (with one, fitting, exception). Tell me what you think.

Saphira (Singles) (Dragon) (Dragon’s Den)

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Elias (Singles) (Normal) (Holy Field):

Considering El is a fairly high-ranking part of Team Meteor, and the pokemon that would fit the field best, we could reasonably give El’s whole team PULSE-2’s. Thoughts on that?

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Anna (Singles) (Psychic) (Starlight Arena):

(Not confirmed as an Elite Four member, but the writing is on the wall, and it’s no secret what pokemon and type suits the Starlight Arena best. Anna was a psychic leader in the league online).

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Bennett and Laura (Doubles) (Bug and Grass) (Flower Garden Field):

(The theory is that since it's 12 on 6, instead of bringing out overpowered pokemon, Laura and Bennett are mostly bringing out pokemon who normally would barely get a mention).

Laura: (Flower-focused team)

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Heather (Flying) (Singles) (Mountain Field):

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GGLL · January 8, 2019

I personally think that all the elite four battles are going to be double battles. The terrains give them enough to go off, their types of choice offer them some of the most powerful mega evolutions for them to use in doubles (mega salamence, mega metagross and mega kangkaskan are all considered to be some of the most powerful mega evolutions for doubles, discounting legendaries. Only grass and/or bug really miss out.) ,doubles are less likely to be brute forced through and are much harder overall. Plus, having the elite four be an all-out double battle section would be unique, since most games use singles for their elite four.

The Champion battle might be singles, though. It makes team building for the final section harder, since a moveset for double battles is usually ineffective for singles (wideguard is nearly useless in singles, for example), and it can mirror the actual challenge of the Original Reborn League, which is getting through many battles, alot of them happening in different formats (like singles, doubles and triples), with a single team.

Outside Indoorsman · January 9, 2019

I see your point... Hm. That may be something to work on, doubles for all instead of mostly singles (I feel that Anna might work better in singles, though that could just be me). And yeah, grass and bug don't exactly have the best mega evolutions, but the whole "12 vs 6" thing should more then make up for that.

And come to think of it, a non-changable team to fight all of them could explain why the fields each E4 member probably uses leaves a bit of a weakness for their type that can be used. Hmmm...

GGLL · January 9, 2019

I can see your point on Anna. We also already have Radomus for the doubles aspect. That said, I heard that Jirachi was such a monster in doubles OU that it ended up getting banned and not Mega Metagross. It's amazing defensive typing, it's great stats for doubles, it's access to Follow Me, Icy Wind and many more support moves, along with serene grace were consindered too great for a support pokemon in DOU. It was used primarily as a partner for Mega Salamence, yes, but it should still be amazing at supporting it's psychic type teammates, especially since it loses it's weakness to dark types (dark type attacks become dual dark/fairy, which turns them neutral against steel/psychic types, though they also get a boost). Only problem is that it lacks power by itself (in comparison to other psychic types) and the terrain boost to Doom Desire is slightly less threatening due to the fast paced nature of the format and because, according to Bulbapedia, it fails and is not redirected like other moves if the targetting pokemon has fainted while there is still an opponent. Don't quote me on that last one, though, I might be misunderstanding.

Regardless, Jirachi is still pretty strong and Anna could just use faster psychic types for her team, unlike Radomus, lowering the opponent's speed and/or outspeeding them by sheer stats, while using Jirachi, Gothitelle and something like Oranguru or Bronzong to support her offense. The other elite four could also employ moves such as Fake Out, Feint, maybe Wide Guard and Protect to throw the player off. And grass/bug types do have good mega evolutions(Mega Venusaur and Mega Pinsir), they are just not top tier Doubles threats. Also, I think discussing the possible order of the elite four might be nice, since Amethyst has stated that they will be in a set order, unlike the main games post generation V. That should play a factor to the overall difficulty.

Lorisaur · January 10, 2019

Ooooh I'm so happy to not be the only one who thinks that Bennett and Laura will fight together! I'm also quite sure that there's some love between them but it's not a topic about that. I have posted before ep18 a detailed thread about how I would personally make saphira and the elite 4 (altough I did not finish) so... yes, I alredy have some ideas. Do you guys think that El will have access to the arc-pulse?

Abyssreaper99 · January 10, 2019

On 1/10/2019 at 11:20 AM, Lorisaur said:

Ooooh I'm so happy to not be the only one who thinks that Bennett and Laura will fight together! I'm also quite sure that there's some love between them but it's not a topic about that. I have posted before ep18 a detailed thread about how I would personally make saphira and the elite 4 (altough I did not finish) so... yes, I alredy have some ideas. Do you guys think that El will have access to the arc-pulse?

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I think Laura and Bennett were dating during the league days. I believe El may possibly have access to the arc-pulse due to his connections with Meteor.

Outside Indoorsman · January 10, 2019

Well, maybe they'll have started dating by the time we get to them? Always a possibility.

And El might have access, but for all we know he might consider it blasphemy if he finds out how it works. If nothing else, he probably won't use it himself... The ARC pulse, I mean.

DarkMasterKendall · January 19, 2019

On 12/31/2018 at 12:08 AM, Outside Indoorsman said:

Here's my current theory on the Elite Four and Sapphire's teams for when we go against them (presuming the Elite Four are going to be monotype battles) - there are no legendary pokemon or Z-moves (with one, fitting, exception). Tell me what you think.

Anna (Singles) (Psychic) (Starlight Arena):

(Not confirmed as an Elite Four member, but the writing is on the wall, and it’s no secret what pokemon and type suits the Starlight Arena best. Anna was a psychic leader in the league online).

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1: Jynx (Forewarn) (Light Clay)

-Aurora Veil

-Draining Kiss

-Ice Beam

-Seismic Toss

(The field enables Aurora Veil, and Forewarn is fitting for Anna).

2: Mega Metagross (Clear Body before Mega)

-Meteor Mash

-Zen Headbutt

-Earthquake

-Rock Slide

(Anna’s Mega pokemon, and her physical attacker).

3: Musharna (Forewarn) (Rocky Helmet)

-Moonlight

-Calm Mind

-Psychic

-Swift

(Forewarn is fitting due to Anna being somewhat of a Seer, and Swift and Moonlight are field-boosted).

4: Starmie (Illuminate) (Leftovers)

-Swift

-Scald

-Psychic

-Cosmic Power

(Both fitting for Anna’s star theme and for the field itself - Starmie even gets an Special Attack boost here due to Illuminate).

5: Sigilyph (Magic Guard) (Life Orb)

-Cosmic Power

-Stored Power

-Air Slash

-Energy Ball

(Cosmic Power is boosted).

6: Nostra (Jirachi) (Serene Grace) (Magical Seed) (Ace?)

-Doom Desire

-Psyshock

-Cosmic Power

-Moonblast

(Best saved as the last pokemon Anna has due to the Magical Seed. An Ubers-worthy nightmare on this field means it might not get used - also, not sure if the Elite Four will all get Legendary Pokemon in Round 1).

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I dont know when it was removed, but at one of the previous episodes releases, anna had a gothitelle at the orphanage part, so i guess its a confirmed team member

Outside Indoorsman · January 19, 2019

Yeah, I think a Gothitelle is not a bad pokemon, but I am not sure if it would fit the field and her theme as well as the Pokemon currently on Anna's team. If Anna runs a doubles team then I think Gothitelle would fit there due to Shadow Tag... But she's currently geared for singles, at least for the first time we challenge her (I am willing to bet that the Elite 4 will all have even more terrifying teams after Lin is defeated).

Egzample · January 21, 2019

The only thing I hope to NOT see, is another repetetive team. Like, no more Garchomps, Garevoirs, Gallades and quite a few overused others. While the game forces us to utilize underused mons and various teams since the very beggining, the opponets tend to use cliche, strong teams over and over again.

Azeria · January 21, 2019

I mean seriously, the more we move towards end game, the more common those Pokemon become since they're actually able to provide a general challenge and support to enemy teams. It's gunna happen regardless.

Outside Indoorsman · January 21, 2019

Well, I am polishing a few things up, and I think what you see soon will please your "uncommon mons" request.

EDIT: Here's the final draft (for now) of the Elite Four.

Theoretical Elite Four Teams

Rules:

-All member teams are Monotype.

-One Mega each.

-Each Elite Four member can use either a Doubles or Singles team to battle, and will take requests on which like Amaria (Like Reshiram Amaria, Elias might not listen to you, though)).

-Z-moves are allowed, one per team.

Order

1: Heather (Flying has already been in the Elite Four, and well, Heather got in partly cause of her mother (and getting into the Elite 4 when she’s ten is amazing regardless of her ranking).

2: Anna (Psychic is one of the most common Elite Four types there is, so she and Heather could easily swap places, but Anna seems like she’d be higher-ranked than Heather, just as personal opinion. If nothing else, she made it in of her own volition).

3: Laura and Bennett (While there is a Bug Elite 4 member in Sinnoh, Grass has never had an Elite Four member before, so Laura should be pretty high up, in a sort of make up for that way).

4: Elias (Normal has never been in the Elite Four before, and it might be fitting to have the last fight before (probably) Lin be another member of Team Meteor. Also, him being older means he has likely had more time to train his team, after all).

(I realized after they were set up that the Elite Four are set up (possibly) in order of age. Huh.)

Heather (Flying) (Singles) (Mountain Field):

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Heather (Flying) (Doubles) (Mountain Field):

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Anna (Singles) (Psychic) (Starlight Arena):

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Anna (Psychic) (Doubles) (Starlight Arena)

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Laura and Bennett: (Singles) (Bug and Grass) (Flower Garden Field)

(Laura and Bennett are still fought 12 on 6, with no breaks or healing periods in between, Bennett going first and Laura second. The field Bennett had at the end is what Laura will start with - if Bennett got it to Stage 3, Laura starts on Stage 3. Has stronger pokemon combinations to counter Singles generally being seen as less difficult).

Bennett:

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Laura and Bennett (Doubles) (Bug and Grass) (Flower Garden Field):

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Elias (Singles) (Normal) (Holy Field):

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Elias (Doubles) (Normal) (Holy Field)

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ZenChu · January 23, 2019

Wow.. really.. good job!

phoenica · January 23, 2019

Was wondering. Wouldn't Anna be last E4 before Lin? Since her field can change into "New World" field, that Lin will probably use?

Destrakon · January 23, 2019

On 1/23/2019 at 2:51 PM, phoenica said:

Was wondering. Wouldn't Anna be last E4 before Lin? Since her field can change into "New World" field, that Lin will probably use?

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I was thinking the same. too. I suppose, after we defeat Anna, Lin will interrupt in order to take Anna's Amethyst Pendant.. But Elite Four are mostly faced in Victory Road, which is on the highest level of Charous Mountain near Route 4. And Lin, already take the mysterious gear from Agate City deeps. So, I guess we're going to face Lin behind the doors of under Grand Starcase, The Citae Arc-d'Astrae (where we fought Arceus), in order to stop her of taking The Meteor.

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