Spoiler Discussion

[DogoWaff]

Something I was thinking about is what if Madame X is Celine. What if the ritual that she had to before where the current team Xen headquarters is a ritual that splits herself in two. Where one side fights for truth and the other fights for ideals. The ritual is finished if done correctly with the two sides ending in a stalemate. But what if the ritual is failed, and one side wins. I do not remember which one of the stones either the white or black stone that Alexandra said the Celine brought back was, but this would explain why Madame X knows so many things and why her face is black and hair is black. 

 

What if Celine is trying to set up both sides of the prophecy, the light and the dark prophecy to she which side wins out. She built the league to test the members of the light prophecy, and team Xen to unite the dark prophecy members.  If the ritual scene that I described is how it went down then it would make sense if Madame X represents the truth, of that the dark prophecy will more likely happen. And then the other half of Celine representing the ideals, with the completion of the light prophecy being better for the world. 

[Bok_Choy777]

9 hours ago, DogoWaff said:

Something I was thinking about is what if Madame X is Celine. What if the ritual that she had to before where the current team Xen headquarters is a ritual that splits herself in two. Where one side fights for truth and the other fights for ideals. The ritual is finished if done correctly with the two sides ending in a stalemate. But what if the ritual is failed, and one side wins. I do not remember which one of the stones either the white or black stone that Alexandra said the Celine brought back was, but this would explain why Madame X knows so many things and why her face is black and hair is black. 

 

What if Celine is trying to set up both sides of the prophecy, the light and the dark prophecy to she which side wins out. She built the league to test the members of the light prophecy, and team Xen to unite the dark prophecy members.  If the ritual scene that I described is how it went down then it would make sense if Madame X represents the truth, of that the dark prophecy will more likely happen. And then the other half of Celine representing the ideals, with the completion of the light prophecy being better for the world. 

 

Interesting idea! This could be plausible, and a very unexpected take in a way. However, a main weak point of this theory would be the fact that if Celine was split into herself and Madame X every time the ritual was completed, wouldn't Alex, Damien and co know about this splitting process? The way the story was narrated make it seem like Madame X did a surprise attack on Celine and still no one seems to know who Madame X truly is. 

 

There are also interactions that suggest that Madame X is more likely to be other characters (either in future,  an alt timeline or parallel universe) such as Melia, or perhaps Erin, etc. The man that  gets grabbed by Cosmia during the Kristelline side quest can later be found in near the Ligosomnia machine and says something like "Madame X was the friends we made along the way" (obviously a joke, maybe like an Alpharad reference) but the fact he got kidnapped despite going to say this as a joke may be a foreshadowing that Madame X is someone part of  the more close knitted group associated with the MC.

 

One interesting notion could be that there are multiple Madame X's out there and maybe Celine could be one of them? Or maybe it's Celine from a parallel universe or something. 

 

Like the idea though, very interesting to think about

[Brauvo]

Unrelated to the discourse on who Madame X is, I must say: Chapters 14 and 15 do a great deal of dispelling the initial ideas we had in the game about Crescent essentially being all powerful. When you run into her early game, she seems unbelievably OP, like not within the confines of a pokemon game levels of OP. Hearing that she essentially used one of the Interceptor's full revives after losing to Clear, and seeing that she was motivated to kind of create us by her feelings for her classmates using the same type of Garufian magic we've grown accustomed to? That makes her feel kind of accessible. Especially now that some protagonist characters are magical, and we know who we are as the Interceptor. Crescent used to seem like this omnipotent, time traveling magician. I guess sane Karen and Melia's siblings are probably as powerful, though. 

[DogoWaff]

Something to note, while playing through the game again, in tower space leading up to the 7th badge with Angie. If you back track a little, a new room opens where a scene is shown to have Indraid and Angu walk together and Angie is made. This could lead to one of two things, either Indraid and Angu have combined into one being explaining what happened to Indraid all this time or Indraid has infused some of his essence into Angu to make her more like him. I think that the first option is better as we have no idea what happened to Indraid after Marionette awakens after winning the third badge.

[DogoWaff]

Another thing to note during the ending events of Blacksteep Castle, Madame X stabbed Melia invoking the power of the Archetype within her. But then during the events where you first meet Angie, Angie does a ritual which  would kill Melia, and sends her soul away too. But it did not, and with the Archetype acting as a backup generator. What if the ritual damaged the stability of the Archetype within Melia. Which could slowly be killing Melia which could be scene as the Genus Syndrome.  

[Draconis]

So who else is looking forward to getting their asses kicked by the Xenpurgis?

[Throhdown]

On 8/16/2021 at 2:15 AM, Draconis said:

So who else is looking forward to getting their asses kicked by the Xenpurgis?

Calling it now, we fail to stop the Xenpurgis,GDC gets royal screwed,someone potentially dies and we are forced to leave for the Artrica Region.

[Draconis]

Lmao

fr tho, it'll probably die from a Fighting or Ground type looking at it funny

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

So, 2 complaints

• about the new revamped part of the early gamesthe maze in the mansion, just the maze..fck that and the time trial too , absolute piece of work
• the casino part in the nightmare realm jesus christ, also the mirror match of alieta vs zetta

anyways to new content

Spoiler

• I've read this thread and i find it weird no one has mentioned about deagen being alive and potentially gonna be an antagonist we have to fight
• we still dont know who, why and how we were entered into the tournement. Something tells me it has something to do with cosmia and cosmet which brings me to the next point
• what on earth are they, we know they're dittos yes but why excatly they're doing any of this, the part where they disguised as ren's mom looked like it was gonna lead to something but it never did.
• So the whole plot thread about eden was just mentioned , so obviously thats gonna be important, but WHO is he a counterpart too is the question, potentially maybe an adam counterpart?
• Lavender having something to do with space and the base on the moon feels like another plot point thats potentially gonna be very big.
• Huey, so he was one of the only 2 survivor along with rune from the disaster, which is very sus, especially since he was a 6 yr old kid and what would a 6 yr old kid just be doing over there, my theory is he's prob a deaged version of the original team xen boss whose name i forgot. He deaged through some weird magic.
• wonder what's gonna happen with ren since he IS still a team xen member and all. 
• So Xenplurgis is just a horde of sakatakas huh, honestly that was the UB i least expected, thought if it was gonna be a UB, it would be guzzlord or Blacephalon. THen again since its a horde of them, it would make the most sense. Interested to see what parts the other UB will play in this, especially my boi lostbelt muk  Guzzlord.
• So Version 14 is gonna be 3 parts huh, we're really becoming FGO now.
• Crescent, what IS her name, it seems to be Dahlia but that still wouldn't line up with why she's in the A class, unless thats a family name since she did mention she had family that she mysteriously stopped herself from talking about.
• Very , Very interested to see the bad ending where we team up with madame X and gang.

 

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

so im back with part 2 

 

• Did they seriously remove the vaccine plot? cause this guy im watching his playthrough and it didnt happen, why did jan remove it, thought it was gonna lead to something cool 
• i really hope we get to see the martin and whoever the previous fairy gym leader was, on that note
• realy hope we get to go to neverwinter and all, someone mentioned maybe we fail and have to retreat to the artic region, i like that and kinda agree with it, especially since 2 gym leaders are located there and we could use their help.
• feels really weird to get 2 eevees, even IF one is special and all. Not one to complain tho, since i like the eeveelutions.
• Seriously er i like the concept OF the new way we do boss fights but in pratice it;s... grating. Thank god after the break bars the boss goes down relatively quick. 
• I dont like the way the game sidelines Alexandria and Daimen because theyre too OP. Like ok they couldnt help us in chap 14 because they were busy with the pods, ok. They got trapped in ice so thats why erin is left to fend for herself with kanon, abit grating but its fine. Them somehow not being there with erin and therefore not with us when fighting the puppet master when we REALLY could have used the strongest gym leader and the strongest elite eight member on our side. Bullshit.
• On that note, so the original elite four were Alexandria, Jolyene, Tesla and Karen? Why is Jolyene called an hononary member then. 

 

Spoiler

So more thoughts that are spoilers obvs

• What IS cassandra, and what is her beef with tesla and amber exactly. Maybe she was there when the gearen fire started and she had family that died there. Would be a good callback to that event, and on that topic
• Who started the fire and wanted Taelia to be killed. It cant be the clear and kierean given they could have just killed her easily, but there was that yveltal so it may be madame X, which brings up the question WHY her and nora, and not alieta now, what makes taelia so special.
• So we're probably getting a heel-face turn of gregory, madelis, and ren obviously wont side with team xen so that leaves Neved, natasia, cassandra and the mysterious Duo for us to fight.
• So we know the risa rider we've been interacting with is fake and is actually clear disguised as her, cool. Why is she pretending to be fighting team xen members then. 

[Eixenr]

I'm confused about the Rune/Huey timeline.
They were survivors of the explosion in the Miera region, wich was even before the Storm-9 event, wich is about 40 years before the events in the game.

How is Rune not an old lady, and Huey barely adult ?

I have to replay to see their story again, but I still find it weird.

On the same note, could Huey be linked to Lord Xenadin ? If I recall correctly, he was the other survivor with Freya, and Rune even says she remembers Huey being important for some reason.

[Lspaceship]

2 hours ago, Eixenr said:

I'm confused about the Rune/Huey timeline.
They were survivors of the explosion in the Miera region, wich was even before the Storm-9 event, wich is about 40 years before the events in the game.

How is Rune not an old lady, and Huey barely adult ?

I'd assume it's something to do with the Voidal Chasm. If you remember from the Sasahila (If that's how you spell it?) help quests, you help one of the people from the past regain some memories after being extracted from the Chasm. Going by the sprites (because we don't exactly have full art for him), he's not that much older. (Assuming they're the same people, of course)

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

9 hours ago, Eixenr said:

I'm confused about the Rune/Huey timeline.
They were survivors of the explosion in the Miera region, wich was even before the Storm-9 event, wich is about 40 years before the events in the game.

How is Rune not an old lady, and Huey barely adult ?

I have to replay to see their story again, but I still find it weird.

On the same note, could Huey be linked to Lord Xenadin ? If I recall correctly, he was the other survivor with Freya, and Rune even says she remembers Huey being important for some reason.

its actually about 50 yrs ago AND more since its minimum 50 yrs for storm 9 and an unspecified amt of time before storm 9 for the mieran disaster but it has something to do with the void chasm

since geara was the kid that the dude in sahilsha lost and hes also not that old so obviously the void probably messes with time like the gap in reborn

although this begs the question,, allergdly flora fell into the void too, yet shes still the same age as florin

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

also what was the point of nymeria giving saki her powers again when shes currently out of comission and not joining us for the team xen fight, unless we're gonna reveal the power allows the process to be speed up and they join us halfway

[Nocturne93]

6 hours ago, Mei-o_Scarlett said:

also what was the point of nymeria giving saki her powers again when shes currently out of comission and not joining us for the team xen fight, unless we're gonna reveal the power allows the process to be speed up and they join us halfway

Probably to oppose Hazuki who was misguided and using her powers for the wrong purposes. 

 

Also, I just replayed the part where Kreiss appears for the first time. Valarie mentions that he looks very young, but Kreiss is in his fifties already. Is he the same as Rhodea/Sandra(who also looks a lot younger than she should be)?

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

58 minutes ago, Nocturne93 said:

Probably to oppose Hazuki who was misguided and using her powers for the wrong purposes. 

 

Also, I just replayed the part where Kreiss appears for the first time. Valarie mentions that he looks very young, but Kreiss is in his fifties already. Is he the same as Rhodea/Sandra(who also looks a lot younger than she should be)?

rohdea is because she was originally about 9? and presumably got picked up by the storm chasers and then dropped off to i wanna say 10? or 15 yrs before current time so her age is like actually unknown

kreiss prob just has the japanese mangaka genetic and looks younger than he should be

 

but that saki thing, that cant be it right?

give her powers just to oppose hazuki and thats it? not even gonna use it to help defeat team xen?

[Draconis]

I just thought of something

what if those vaccines Isha was giving out are related to the Xenpurgis?

[ABoringGuy]

1 hour ago, Draconis said:

I just thought of something

what if those vaccines Isha was giving out are related to the Xenpurgis?

That most likely was gonna be the case. It is unfortunate that plot point had to be removed but well it is understandable.

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

1 hour ago, Yahiro said:

That most likely was gonna be the case. It is unfortunate that plot point had to be removed but well it is understandable.

why was the vaccine plot point removed anyways

did i miss something 

did jan mention why

[ABoringGuy]

16 minutes ago, Mei-o_Scarlett said:

why was the vaccine plot point removed anyways

did i miss something 

did jan mention why

Because of Covid. You know about all the conspiracy theories of how Covid Vaccines are made to track us all and stuff. Putting that scene would have caused people to think Rejuvenation supports Anti-vax propoganda which I dont think anyone wanted to happen. So the best bet was probably to remove the vaccine scene entirely since the story of v13 was going through many changes anyways.

[Draconis]

Makes sense

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

wonder what isha says now then after u capture him

does he still say he has a gift for us

[Nocturne93]

3 hours ago, Mei-o_Scarlett said:

wonder what isha says now then after u capture him

does he still say he has a gift for us

I think he still says that. Probably an oversight by the developers, but maybe we will see him again in a later update of the game. 

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

wait a minute

Spoiler

So spotlight city IS in avieum correct?

and Mc kun and gang all died there correct

crescent STOLE the black boxes which were also located IN avieum

so what the heck 

are we taking a ship BACK into avieum

 

 

[ABoringGuy]

1 hour ago, Mei-o_Scarlett said:

wait a minute

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So spotlight city IS in avieum correct?

and Mc kun and gang all died there correct

crescent STOLE the black boxes which were also located IN avieum

so what the heck 

are we taking a ship BACK into avieum

 

 

I thought Spotlight city was in Miera region. I mean you have a valid point even if Spotlight city since the black box is in Aevium region. Creasent could have fled from Aevium region to another region for protection from Team Xen or something or maybe she didnt know how to use it before and she went to another region to learn how to use it and was returninf Aevium.

 

It would have been if we knew where SS Oceana was coming from. I think in previous versions it said it was coming from Unova but I may just be remembering wrong.